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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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ana

London, UK

#41256 Sep 24, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>I am not unsympathetic to your views on jihad - but the fact is, in the west, jihad is synononous with terror, and the terrorists have done everything they could to perpetuate that idea. So, in English, MAAT is correct.

The Muslim conquest of the Magreb is a bit different than the current wave of Salafism poring thru. Demolitions of sufi shrines, etc etc.
But still your account of history in the Maghreb region is way out ....

Since: Aug 11

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#41257 Sep 24, 2012
ana wrote:
Why are Africans subject to population control HIV? Population control en masse?
LOL! I see we have another conspiracy nut on our hands. Volunteerist is in good company.

Have you ever considered that the HIV problem in Africa is the result of (1) Poverty driven ignorance and (2) The Catholic church's misinformation campaign and constant preaching that condoms are evil?
ana

London, UK

#41258 Sep 24, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>LOL! I see we have another conspiracy nut on our hands. Volunteerist is in good company.

Have you ever considered that the HIV problem in Africa is the result of (1) Poverty driven ignorance and (2) The Catholic church's misinformation campaign and constant preaching that condoms are evil?
I'm talking about the epidemic of HIV, why did it only explode during the 1980s? It's not a conspiracy theory but a question which remains unanswered

300 years ago condoms didn't exist yet there was no HiV epidemic, even the earliest half of last century during the colonial times of west no HIV epidemic

It is very well documented that drugs companies illegally administered drugs trials to Africans In Africa in exchange for anti malaria medicine... So no conspiracy there

Since: Aug 11

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#41259 Sep 24, 2012
ana wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm talking about the epidemic of HIV, why did it only explode during the 1980s? It's not a conspiracy theory but a question which remains unanswered
300 years ago condoms didn't exist yet there was no HiV epidemic, even the earliest half of last century during the colonial times of west no HIV epidemic
It is very well documented that drugs companies illegally administered drugs trials to Africans In Africa in exchange for anti malaria medicine... So no conspiracy there
HIV might not have existed 300 years ago in its current genetic form, but other diseases did. Syphilis, Bubonic Plague, Flu, etc, etc...Were all these brought on by scheming drug companies 300 years ago?

History is replete with periods of outbreaks with natural explanations. There is nothing unnatural about new diseases sprouting up, driven mainly by viruses that naturally genetically mutate over time. Not everything bad that happens has a scheming agent behind it.
seasidesoon

United States

#41260 Sep 24, 2012
ana wrote:
<quoted text>
What about the jails in Israel holding innocent Palestinians
name one please. While in jail they get tv, conjugal visits and education. Yet most released return to violence. The pa police trained by u.s. has several instances of killing Israeli civilians with the arms we provided. I've been there. The pa steals the aid money and won't provide basic services to their own. They keep them in squalor for the benefit of the foreign press. The services they do get come from Israel taxpayers. Same story in Gaza.

Concerning western interference in Africa, read George Obama's book.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41261 Sep 24, 2012
http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/aids.as...

The ghastly disease AIDS burst upon the scene in the early 1980s. Though this particular grim reaper has not long stalked among us, it has taken millions of lives and has staked its cold-fingered claim to millions more. That it seemed to appear out of nowhere has sparked a multitude of rumors regarding its origin and path of destruction. Rumors about AIDS include claims that it was:
An out-of-control germ warfare virus that escaped from its handlers.
Spread by specific ethnic groups (e.g., Haitians).
Put in the fluoride of our drinking water.
Put in K-Y Jelly by the Centers for Disease Control to eliminate homosexuals.
Developed by the CIA.
Developed by the Russians.
Created in Hitler's laboratories.

Scientists are generally agreed that AIDS jumped the species barrier from chimpanzees to humans.(Chimpanzees host a virus called SIV, simian immunodeficiency virus, which is regarded as being similar to HIV.) AIDS is not the only new contagion to have begun in such fashion; Ebola and Marburg, two infectious diseases that kill incredible numbers of those who contract them, were passed to humans from monkeys.

It's a simple explanation: Diseases live on by finding victims to infect, and diseases that jump species (sometimes undergoing changes in the process) find a whole new set of victims available to them. Yet this is too pat an explanation for many of us, and we tend to reject that which doesn't fit well to our understanding of our world, substituting in its place myths that, although disturbing, at least seem more logical. We make the arrogant assumption that our world should always make sense according to our current level of knowledge; such a premise works well in most cases but breaks down in the face of matters our understanding does not yet encompass. At those moments at least some of us scramble to find explanations — any explanations — that can be shoehorned into service.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41262 Sep 24, 2012
SeasideSoon wrote:
<quoted text>Fox has gotten it right in their coverage and differentiating between the consulate and the safe house. So what's the bottom line? Was Stevens set up?
He was in effect the embassador in Tripoli, but traveled every few weeks to Benghazi.
It was orchestrated and coinciding with 9-11.
The perps are Egyptians jihadists, that probably did little fighting (with hindsight, coming in under the pretense of aiding the rebels), and have now ganged up with Ghadafi's tribe.
Benghazi is a small trade and tribal town of mixed italo-berbers.
(Arabs came with the goats. No love lost there for those bedhouines, like Gaddafi's tribe.)
The Berber (tamazight) were not allowed to write and speak their own language, and as stated lost their land.
So Benghazi is friendly, and also saw no protest over the movie, for the shock of what happened as allready big enough.
Everyone knows everyone.
In Tripoli there was some protest but nothing violent.

So the militia went in the allready burning building after breaking the defence.
It was secured by bulletproof glass and enforced walls. Hence the heavy weaponry.
After that jihadi-gaddafi's went in and checked it out, but did not find the ambassador, they burned it down.
And then later the Benghazi came to check when the fire had died down. And found Stevens.

Al jazeera report.
So yes it was a set up, in the sense that it was an excellent opportunity. The itenerary known, as well as what heavy weapenry was needed.
More to do with 9-11.
However the American courts will prosecute the muslim, turned christian that made the movie 'Innocense of muslims'(by muslims called 'the fury').

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41263 Sep 24, 2012
When is an apostate not an apostate.

You can change the religion but one can not change the prejudice.
That is now falling under free expression.

And frankly christianity offers ample opportunity to gather even a few more.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41264 Sep 24, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/ disease/aids.asp
The ghastly disease AIDS burst upon the scene in the early 1980s. Though this particular grim reaper has not long stalked among us, it has taken millions of lives and has staked its cold-fingered claim to millions more. That it seemed to appear out of nowhere has sparked a multitude of rumors regarding its origin and path of destruction. Rumors about AIDS include claims that it was:
An out-of-control germ warfare virus that escaped from its handlers.
Spread by specific ethnic groups (e.g., Haitians).
Put in the fluoride of our drinking water.
Put in K-Y Jelly by the Centers for Disease Control to eliminate homosexuals.
Developed by the CIA.
Developed by the Russians.
Created in Hitler's laboratories.
Scientists are generally agreed that AIDS jumped the species barrier from chimpanzees to humans.(Chimpanzees host a virus called SIV, simian immunodeficiency virus, which is regarded as being similar to HIV.) AIDS is not the only new contagion to have begun in such fashion; Ebola and Marburg, two infectious diseases that kill incredible numbers of those who contract them, were passed to humans from monkeys.
It's a simple explanation: Diseases live on by finding victims to infect, and diseases that jump species (sometimes undergoing changes in the process) find a whole new set of victims available to them. Yet this is too pat an explanation for many of us, and we tend to reject that which doesn't fit well to our understanding of our world, substituting in its place myths that, although disturbing, at least seem more logical. We make the arrogant assumption that our world should always make sense according to our current level of knowledge; such a premise works well in most cases but breaks down in the face of matters our understanding does not yet encompass. At those moments at least some of us scramble to find explanations — any explanations — that can be shoehorned into service.
Good thing we have studies.
one case of a Prusian soldier, that in hindsight had the same symtoms, was around 1908 (memory) taken into a hospital in Gdansk.
The disease has been around for a long time, but often coinciding with other immunodeficiency symptoms and old age. So old people would get slim (slimming disease) and attract TB.
So none would really notice it being around.
The spread by gay pride that had just discovered their freedom, made it however very virulent and deadly.
That strain traveled back to Africa and given the relatively free attitude and distances people need to travel for work, spread easily. Exacerbated by catholic attitudes.
It was however found that those that had regular intercourse, especially women would sometimes have an elevated barrier against attracting it. As soon as theu dropped the frequency they were more likely to attract it too.
The host is still not found, and the suspicion is that it might maybe hide in a plant.(No not the monkeys) The French researcher died while trying to find the host.

Ebola and Marburg though gruesome, are usually short-lived if proper quaraintaine is applied and a simple soluton of 1 part bleach on ten parts water is used to desinfect.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#41265 Sep 24, 2012
MAAT wrote:
<quoted text>
Good thing we have studies.
one case of a Prusian soldier, that in hindsight had the same symtoms, was around 1908 (memory) taken into a hospital in Gdansk.
The disease has been around for a long time, but often coinciding with other immunodeficiency symptoms and old age. So old people would get slim (slimming disease) and attract TB.
So none would really notice it being around.
The spread by gay pride that had just discovered their freedom, made it however very virulent and deadly.
That strain traveled back to Africa and given the relatively free attitude and distances people need to travel for work, spread easily. Exacerbated by catholic attitudes.
It was however found that those that had regular intercourse, especially women would sometimes have an elevated barrier against attracting it. As soon as theu dropped the frequency they were more likely to attract it too.
The host is still not found, and the suspicion is that it might maybe hide in a plant.(No not the monkeys) The French researcher died while trying to find the host.
Ebola and Marburg though gruesome, are usually short-lived if proper quaraintaine is applied and a simple soluton of 1 part bleach on ten parts water is used to desinfect.
Studies are only as good as the person doing the studying ;-) Someone who has the mindset to believe in conspiracies will do so, facts be damned.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41266 Sep 24, 2012
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
I am not unsympathetic to your views on jihad - but the fact is, in the west, jihad is synononous with terror, and the terrorists have done everything they could to perpetuate that idea. So, in English, MAAT is correct.
The Muslim conquest of the Magreb is a bit different than the current wave of Salafism poring thru. Demolitions of sufi shrines, etc etc.
I'll read the magreb ideas by Ana later.
Salafisme (salafiyyah or selefie) or athary would require the Medina laws to be scrapped.
This form of Salafiya nowadays is however mixed with wahhabism and a warped idea of jihad. Al qaeda simple means base,as money usually is. But the idea is to fisrt win the poor and then make them into an army to establish the conditions for salafya.
Or as one scholar said: life on earth is hell. So dooms-day creators.
(greater and smaller jihad resp. the inner discussion with doubts and the discussion with words towards the outside world. It might be the other way around, but this is what i recall)
So Ana on the whole we know pretty well what we are talking about.
If i just say brotherhood, i would probably get the same comment, even though they carry death-lists of jewish people.
Even the most respectable ones.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41267 Sep 24, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Studies are only as good as the person doing the studying ;-) Someone who has the mindset to believe in conspiracies will do so, facts be damned.
Yep, no amount of explaining will do.

Terry Pratchett.
Granny Weatherwax said: "I don't tell them there are invisible critters in the water that make 'm sick. I tell them their are demons crawling in from the midden...so it they want to get rid of 'm they should move the midden away from the waterwell."
"That's headology."

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41268 Sep 24, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL! I see we have another conspiracy nut on our hands. Volunteerist is in good company.
Have you ever considered that the HIV problem in Africa is the result of (1) Poverty driven ignorance and (2) The Catholic church's misinformation campaign and constant preaching that condoms are evil?
You forgot massaging the numbers to get the monies in.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#41269 Sep 24, 2012
pffuii, i'll agree with frijoles.
innocents and unarmed are both no go.
(too much conspiracy thinking, too much history to correct)
When chapter nine is in effect, jihad is also waged with the sword. All it takes is to create an enemy.
Like Buford wrote: take a stone, on one side write 'there is a jew behind me, kill him', do the same on the other side. Write surah and verse and 'for advise ask your local imam' on the bottom.
It's most definitely not respect for the people of the book, that most never ever even talked too, but iterated hate one billion times every friday repeated.

Usually an education keeps 26% from reoffending.
Women usually have also issues at home.
Palestinian man or rather boys often see it as a badge of honour, never mind what their parents and grandparents think.

But in those early 15 years another event happened, as in a tribe that betrayed muh ahmed.
They were stripped of all their possessions, later reinstated under the contract that they could keep for themselves what they conquered.
Well that is thus the rule that once islam region, always islam region. Dangerous to any and all.
Maffia and protection money (maffia is even arab derived) another nice invention.
Slavery if it's not islamic, went on and still goes on. Especially in the very territories you describe.

How come the sensus by the English in then palestine, showed 110,000 more people then before, that were not part of the original sensus.
Drafted for the spoils after driving the jews into the sea, for the wealthy landowners that lived abroad.
How come arab families of name and repute still live in Israel and even fought along with them.
How well acquainted are you with ottoman law.
Are you aware of the fellahin uprising around the turn of the century in Egypt and the people fleeing.

etc.etc.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#41270 Sep 24, 2012
ana wrote:
<quoted text>
Good word illusion ... It is all an illusion, and people will wake up after its all too late ...
rabbee: nah! the'll just trade, one illusion for another. like no peace, without more war. no peace without, more cancer or kinds of plagues. without realizing these are the signs, of so totally going in the wrong direction against G-D. always pestilence first, strong plagues next, and famine the last stage prior to all national destructions. like the soviet union and their, accelerated course in that. how to screw up a whole nation, in less than 60 years against G-D.
Tom

Haldensleben, Germany

#41271 Sep 24, 2012
what are messianic Jews? Messias was born 200 years ago and it is fact and He was murdered by jewish, hebraian pharyzeos. God will not come anymore, there is No God in this so called ,,holy land and this Jerusalem,, presently and God will not come again. For what? God was already born from HOly Virgin Maria, He has shown the way and style of life and He has sacrified His life and was murdered by jewish, hebraian sectarians ( pharyzeios ). Nothing to do more, but accept God, believe in Him and follow Him ( Holy Bible- New Testament - Evangeliums of John, Lukas, Mark and Mattheus- naturally Catholic or Orthodox issue of these Evangeliums ).
It will be really no more Messiases. God has accepted people, even their mistakes and He wants people to come back to Him, to stop to commit crimes, to change their lifes, to come back to GOOD and to accept God.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#41272 Sep 24, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
http://www.snopes.com/medical/ disease/aids.asp
The ghastly disease AIDS burst upon the scene in the early 1980s. Though this particular grim reaper has not long stalked among us, it has taken millions of lives and has staked its cold-fingered claim to millions more. That it seemed to appear out of nowhere has sparked a multitude of rumors regarding its origin and path of destruction. Rumors about AIDS include claims that it was:
An out-of-control germ warfare virus that escaped from its handlers.
Spread by specific ethnic groups (e.g., Haitians).
Put in the fluoride of our drinking water.
Put in K-Y Jelly by the Centers for Disease Control to eliminate homosexuals.
Developed by the CIA.
Developed by the Russians.
Created in Hitler's laboratories.
Scientists are generally agreed that AIDS jumped the species barrier from chimpanzees to humans.(Chimpanzees host a virus called SIV, simian immunodeficiency virus, which is regarded as being similar to HIV.) AIDS is not the only new contagion to have begun in such fashion; Ebola and Marburg, two infectious diseases that kill incredible numbers of those who contract them, were passed to humans from monkeys.
It's a simple explanation: Diseases live on by finding victims to infect, and diseases that jump species (sometimes undergoing changes in the process) find a whole new set of victims available to them. Yet this is too pat an explanation for many of us, and we tend to reject that which doesn't fit well to our understanding of our world, substituting in its place myths that, although disturbing, at least seem more logical. We make the arrogant assumption that our world should always make sense according to our current level of knowledge; such a premise works well in most cases but breaks down in the face of matters our understanding does not yet encompass. At those moments at least some of us scramble to find explanations — any explanations — that can be shoehorned into service.
rabbee: monkey diseases, only effects monkies. in case none of you talking monkey critters, have not figured this out. if you want to believe, we decended from apes. this blastphemy makes you, susceptable to their diseases. and are bound to the terms, of that idolitry. it's like every four years, running off the edge of a cliff: to select their remaining lemming president against G-D.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#41273 Sep 24, 2012
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>
Studies are only as good as the person doing the studying ;-) Someone who has the mindset to believe in conspiracies will do so, facts be damned.
rabbee: well this is what you all get, for conspiring aginst G-D here in TheTorah again. your still bound, to the terms of monkey or one celled conspiracy idolitry. so now their monkeys, with the conspiracy brains of an amebae.
rabbee yehoshooah adam

Denver, CO

#41274 Sep 24, 2012
rabbee yehoshooah adam wrote:
<quoted text>
rabbee: monkey diseases, only effects monkies. in case none of you talking monkey critters, have not figured this out. if you want to believe, we decended from apes. this blastphemy makes you, susceptable to their diseases. and are bound to the terms, of that idolitry. it's like every four years, running off the edge of a cliff: to select their remaining lemming president against G-D.
rabbee: and if you want to teach your children, they can't be any smarter than a monkey. then they shall suffer, in that antiG-D idolitry you established for them. and even you won't have the brains, to figure out why monkey education is failing against G-D.
Tom

Haldensleben, Germany

#41275 Sep 24, 2012
Real nature of God was given to human kind by Jesus Christ and His Evangeliums ( by John, Lukas, Marc, Matthias) show the way how to reach real God and how to reach this the most important goal..

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