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Cway

United States

#870874 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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That might make sense except that the Socialist Democrat party replaced LBJ with his flunky toad, Humpty Dumpty.
Besides, LBJ passed more Socialist legislation than all other Presidents combined. If Obama had 10% of the political skills of LBJ, Boehner would be irrelevant, lily would have a single payer system, all firearms would be banned, tax rates would be 90%, and only homosexual marriages would be recognized.
Thank God for the US that Obama is completely lacking in interpersonal skills.
1. First, the Democrat Party is not "socialist". Helping the poor and elderly doesn't make one a disciple of Marx. Now if we started nationalizing private industry, you'd have a point.

2. Humphrey was not LBJ's "flunky". The two men had discordant views on Vietnam. Second, Robert Kennedy was clearly the Democrat party's choice in 1968. He had the presidential nomination wrapped up after the California primary, only to be assassinated the same day.

Humphrey was a liberal and a satisfatory replacement, but not the first choice.

3. LBJ was a Southern conservative and his strongest ties were with very conservative people. Much of the legislation he passed war crafted furing the Kennedy era. Did he personally agree with it? I have my doubts.

Had he defied the legislation of his party such as Civil Rights, he would have become a poltical pariah within his own party. So I think he went along because he had little choice. He was tossed out just the same for his complicity regarding Vietnam.

Please spare me the cliche dribble over gay marriage, taxes and gun control which isn't relevant.

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#870875 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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Watchdogs tend to bite your ass, if that's what you want.
Obama's watchdogs are going after individual citizens, not his Wall Street masters.
But keep believing the crap he feeds you.
The watchdogs sure were active in the Bush administration. Not only asleep at the wheel, there was no driver at all. They had been cut back so much all what was left of that dept was the cleaner.
A systematic 25 yr dismantle of financial rules starting with Reagan and you wanted it all back and fixed in the first term carrying trillion$ of debt run up by these same so called Wall St masters. So who really ran the country then ? The Bush name may have been on the whitehouse desk but take your pick on who called the shots!

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Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870876 Mar 8, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>LBJ's Great Society legacy and affects can be found in every major metro area of the country here in the US.
And can also be seen seeping into Urban Political leadership.
Trash In - Trash Out. Great Society, My Azz.

More like The Great Train Robbery.

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Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870877 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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1. First, the Democrat Party is not "socialist". Helping the poor and elderly doesn't make one a disciple of Marx. Now if we started nationalizing private industry, you'd have a point.
2. Humphrey was not LBJ's "flunky". The two men had discordant views on Vietnam. Second, Robert Kennedy was clearly the Democrat party's choice in 1968. He had the presidential nomination wrapped up after the California primary, only to be assassinated the same day.
Humphrey was a liberal and a satisfatory replacement, but not the first choice.
3. LBJ was a Southern conservative and his strongest ties were with very conservative people. Much of the legislation he passed war crafted furing the Kennedy era. Did he personally agree with it? I have my doubts.
Had he defied the legislation of his party such as Civil Rights, he would have become a poltical pariah within his own party. So I think he went along because he had little choice. He was tossed out just the same for his complicity regarding Vietnam.
Please spare me the cliche dribble over gay marriage, taxes and gun control which isn't relevant.
"...LBJ was tossed out ... for his complicity regarding Vietnam."

Did you say "complicity"?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do you read this stuff off the back of your Breakfast Cereal Boxes?
Does your dog give you instructions and orders?

"Helping the poor and elderly doesn't make one a disciple of Marx."

Of course it doesn't but when governments purchase votes using socialist tactics turning those "poor and elderly" into a growing parasitic segment of society forcing hardworking taxpayers into slaves funding gross theft...then it DOES make itself a disciple of Marx.

Your attempt to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear is pure humor coming out of an innocent child's mouth.

Next, you'll be quoting Jesus' Sermon On The Mount and comparing it to the Boy Messiah's Inauguration Speech.

Like a SNL Skit.

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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#870878 Mar 8, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>LBJ's Great Society legacy and affects can be found in every major metro area of the country here in the US.
The point being that LBJ knew how to get what he wanted from Congress, by personal persuasion rather than empty threats.

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John Galt

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#870879 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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1. First, the Democrat Party is not "socialist". Helping the poor and elderly doesn't make one a disciple of Marx. Now if we started nationalizing private industry, you'd have a point.
2. Humphrey was not LBJ's "flunky". The two men had discordant views on Vietnam. Second, Robert Kennedy was clearly the Democrat party's choice in 1968. He had the presidential nomination wrapped up after the California primary, only to be assassinated the same day.
Humphrey was a liberal and a satisfatory replacement, but not the first choice.
3. LBJ was a Southern conservative and his strongest ties were with very conservative people. Much of the legislation he passed war crafted furing the Kennedy era. Did he personally agree with it? I have my doubts.
Had he defied the legislation of his party such as Civil Rights, he would have become a poltical pariah within his own party. So I think he went along because he had little choice. He was tossed out just the same for his complicity regarding Vietnam.
Please spare me the cliche dribble over gay marriage, taxes and gun control which isn't relevant.
You are completely clueless about history.

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John Galt

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#870880 Mar 8, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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The watchdogs sure were active in the Bush administration. Not only asleep at the wheel, there was no driver at all. They had been cut back so much all what was left of that dept was the cleaner.
A systematic 25 yr dismantle of financial rules starting with Reagan and you wanted it all back and fixed in the first term carrying trillion$ of debt run up by these same so called Wall St masters. So who really ran the country then ? The Bush name may have been on the whitehouse desk but take your pick on who called the shots!
So, today we have Goldman Sachs sitting in the Oval Office.

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“My Life Is A Shell Game”

Since: May 07

Lapeer, MI

#870881 Mar 8, 2013
Iran is drawing ever closer to Nuclear Weapons capability, N. Korea has it and is now threatening us with it while entertaining boobs like Dennis Rodman. Meanwhile the Jerk-In-Chief is still campaigning on AF1 and making the TV Talk Show circuit.

Hair-Plug Joe Biden is making more of his childish speeches about how the President (silence!, hush!) DOESN'T BLUFF!

Iran and N. Korea have long been exchanging data and construction tips.

We need some leadership and less On The Red Carpet Bullshit from a Glam Boy Messiah.

He should travel over to Iran and N. Korea with his Skeet 'Rifle' and kick some butt with Dennis Rodman in tow.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870882 Mar 8, 2013
RealDave wrote:
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I don't know why I waste my time trying to have a conversation with you.
1) A majority of Democrats voted for it. So how did the Republicans get this passed??
2) If Democrats were a racist party, why did the Northern Democrats vote 145 - 9 to pass it?
3) looking at the House, You want percentages?.
Southern Democrats: 93.6% voted against it
Southern Republicans: 100% voted against it
Northern Democrats: 94% voted for it
Northern Republicans: 85% voted for it.
So using your logic, the Republicans must have been the racists.
However, proving what I said originally.
93%of the House & Senate from the Southern states voted against it
90% of those outside the South voted for it.
It was regional, not political. Got it?
Guess you have to look at the number in both parties who voted against it - 96 Democrats in the House and 21 in the Senate versus 34 Republicans in the House and 6 Republicans in the Senate.

According to Congressional Quarterly, the Civil Rights Act of 1964
passed the House 290-130, and Republican support for the bill was much stronger than Democratic: 61% of the Democrats supported the legislation while 80% of the Republicans backed it. These numbers were similar in the Senate - 69% of Democrats backed the bill along with 82% of Republicans.

Doesn't mean 61% of Democrats in the House and 69% in the Senate still didn't vote for the passage of the CVA of 1964. That's a lot of Democrats.

But the bill passed because a larger percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats - 80% in the House and 82% in the Senate.

That was my original point.

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#870885 Mar 8, 2013
shinningelectr0n wrote:
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And can also be seen seeping into Urban Political leadership.
Trash In - Trash Out. Great Society, My Azz.
More like The Great Train Robbery.
Exactly, More like The Great Train Robbery and Detroit is a good example.

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#870886 Mar 8, 2013
John Galt wrote:
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The point being that LBJ knew how to get what he wanted from Congress, by personal persuasion rather than empty threats.
Exactly Right.

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Axe-Me-Anything

South Bend, IN

#870887 Mar 8, 2013
Anonymous of Indy wrote:
<quoted text>Exactly, More like The Great Train Robbery and Detroit is a good example.
Think Black Expo ... aka Summer "Celebration"

What a damned joke.
carol

Orlando, FL

#870889 Mar 8, 2013
sonicfilter wrote:
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over time?
1964. might as well flipped a switch.
Once the Southern Democrat bloc was defeated in 1964 and after a significant number of blacks moved north and west and the KKK began to disappear, the South began to change dramatically.

There was a boom in the service economy, manufacturing, technology industries and the financial sector.

Numerous automobile production plants opened in Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee.

Major banking corporations opened headquarters in North Carolina, Alabama and Georgia.

The Coca-Cola Company and Home Depot as well as cable television networks - CNN, TBS, TNT, Turner South - also helped create economic expansion. The South reported some of the lowest unemployment rates in the United States.

In other words, the landscape changed after 1964.

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#870891 Mar 8, 2013
Axe-Me-Anything wrote:
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Think Black Expo ... aka Summer "Celebration"
What a damned joke.
I Agree.

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#870892 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
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Once the Southern Democrat bloc was defeated in 1964 and after a significant number of blacks moved north and west and the KKK began to disappear, the South began to change dramatically.
There was a boom in the service economy, manufacturing, technology industries and the financial sector.
Numerous automobile production plants opened in Alabama, South Carolina, Kentucky, Mississippi and Tennessee.
Major banking corporations opened headquarters in North Carolina, Alabama and Georgia.
The Coca-Cola Company and Home Depot as well as cable television networks - CNN, TBS, TNT, Turner South - also helped create economic expansion. The South reported some of the lowest unemployment rates in the United States.
In other words, the landscape changed after 1964.
That's True.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870893 Mar 8, 2013
Cway wrote:
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Carol,
A rather ugly side to the way your side "debates" is to dance away from the facts you can't answer.
I refer to the arrangement the Bush Administration made with pharmaceutical companies, where reprsentatives of the latter were allowed to participate in DEA evaluations of new drugs produced by the same companies!
This is a clear case of conflict of interest.
But even worse, it shows the extent to which Republicans not only fail in their obligation to be a watchdog over the private sector, but actually allows corporations to co-opt the watchdog function and bring in line with their goals.
We saw this again with MME, which allowed oil companies to actually fill out the government inspection reports of their safety standards. The BP diaster followed.
This underlies the true nature of the Republican Party which is to betray the public trust to corporate profit.
20 lobbyists were staffed in the Obama administration in 2010.

Not a conflict of interest?

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#870894 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
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Guess you have to look at the number in both parties who voted against it - 96 Democrats in the House and 21 in the Senate versus 34 Republicans in the House and 6 Republicans in the Senate.
According to Congressional Quarterly, the Civil Rights Act of 1964
passed the House 290-130, and Republican support for the bill was much stronger than Democratic: 61% of the Democrats supported the legislation while 80% of the Republicans backed it. These numbers were similar in the Senate - 69% of Democrats backed the bill along with 82% of Republicans.
Doesn't mean 61% of Democrats in the House and 69% in the Senate still didn't vote for the passage of the CVA of 1964. That's a lot of Democrats.
But the bill passed because a larger percentage of Republicans voted for it than Democrats - 80% in the House and 82% in the Senate.
That was my original point.
Exactly

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870898 Mar 8, 2013
Last post of the evening - from an article on the NBC website no less.

"The increased pace of hiring is still well below levels normally seen more than three years into an economic recovery.

"The widespread lingering caution from consumers and employers alike more than three years after the Great Recession officially ended is now one of the biggest hurdles to a more robust recovery.

"Employers can’t hire until consumers – who account for more than two-thirds of the U.S. economy – begin to feel better about spending. But that won’t happen until employers pick up the pace of hiring to create millions of new paychecks and pay higher wages for those who already have one."

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/economywatch/...

Seems like a leadership problem not addressing the problem to me.

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carol

Orlando, FL

#870899 Mar 8, 2013
Goodnight, Anonymous of Indy.

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John Galt

Temecula, CA

#870901 Mar 8, 2013
carol wrote:
Goodnight, Anonymous of Indy.
Tomorrow, let's drop ancient history and move on to the current economic disaster of the Obama administration, particularly its devastating effects on poor blacks.

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