Thousands Protest Roe V. Wade Decision

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Thousands of abortion opponents marched from the National Mall to the Supreme Court on Tuesday in their annual remembrance of the court's Roe v. Wade decision.
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No.
You did contradict yourself. You don't get to make it my fault you contradicted yourself. No amount of explaining is going to change the fact that you contradicted yourself.
You wrote:
"Viability of an already born infant is also about POTENTIAL, and when doctors see a potential for that born infant to survive with medical help..."
In a prior post, you said, and I quoted you ver batim:
"That's not the same as viability of a newborn infant, because the newborn infant is already ~outside of the womb~, so it would be about potential of the newborn infant to survive without medical help."
No, I didn't, you just don't understand the obvious that I didn't think needed to be stated.

If a [fetus] is viable, then once removed from it's NLS (the womb), and helped with ALS, it will be able to survive and continue to survive on ALS.

If a [born infant] is viable then, even if it's on ALS for a time, it will eventually be able to survive without it.

Viability of a fetus and viability of a born infant are 2 different issues, with different factors as to what constitutes each being "viable".

Anyone who believes viability of a fetus has to do with being born and surviving without ALS is wrong.

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I displayed no "hypocrisy."
I simply did not display an attitude that you approved of.
As usual, you try to reduce everyone else's posts to your motives; I'm not trying to "prove" anything about you--you do that adequately enough yourself.
I've said that there's enough "obnoxiousness" to go around for both camps, yet all you're concerned with is that "perceived" obnoxiousness that is directed at you.
The only thing I was trying to "prove" is that you're deliberately misconstruing the arguments PC posters have when they argue for reasonable "restrictions."
As I said before; nobody's calling a fetus a "z/e/f."
http://www.topix.com/forum/nyc/T833PCEP80MM49...
Stop trying to "twist" that.
John: "I simply did not display an attitude that you approved of."

Wrong, you displayed hypocrisy. You purposely made mention of what you considered was obnoxious coming from me, while ignoring what comes from you and the PC camp that's obnoxious.

It's not displaying an attitude I approve of when it's you doing it, but obnoxious when I do, hypocrite.

John: "As usual, you try to reduce everyone else's posts to your motives; I'm not trying to "prove" anything about you--you do that adequately enough yourself."

You mean you had no motive in saying, "'Lily,' you are such an obnoxious personality ..."? like those who have
obnoxious personalities in the PC camp, that you call "my friend" when you post don't exist? Which was the hypocrisy I was showing you, to which you respond: "I've said that there's enough "obnoxiousness" to go around for both camps, yet all you're concerned with is that "perceived" obnoxiousness that is directed at you."

No, John. I wasn't talking about what was directed at me, but what [you ignored] about what comes from your PC friends.
You're not fooling anyone who isn't a PC bonehead with your bullshit.

John: "The only thing I was trying to "prove" is that you're deliberately misconstruing the arguments PC posters have when they argue for reasonable 'restrictions.' "

Wrong. Either PCers believe women should have "personal autonomy" and "medical privacy" as they've called it and believe a fetus shouldn't have equal rights to a woman, or they don't. At viability, it's still a fetus. Can't have it both ways without contradicting themselves.
According to the PC logic of what constitutes personal autonomy and medical privacy and rights a woman should have, restrictions remove it all. I haven't twisted a thing.


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My God woman! You're just as obnoxious as ever. Nothing ever changes with you. No growth. No maturation process. Yes Lily, you are a victim. A pitiable victim. And your superiority over all other humans is duly noted. Have I stroked your ego sufficiently now?
Oh, and here comes Eddie, who hasn't been here in how long, and first post is to me about my supposedly being "obnoxious", also ignoring the obnoxiousness coming from PCers. Both John and Eddie made no mention of the most obnoxious PC posters: CD, Cpeter, Foo etc. No, those people are ignored by both John and Eddie, and John calls Foo "friend". How sweet.

What a coinkidink that both John and Eddie think I'm obnoxious, both made sure they posted to me letting me know they think I'm "obnoxious", they did so posting to me with their own obnoxiousness about my supposed obnoxiousness. I can't make that stupidity up.

I haven't seen either posting here in awhile, I haven't posted to or about either of them, both post to me about the same thing; what's supposedly so "obnoxious" coming from me, and neither sees it from any other PLer or from anyone in the PC camp.

Their senseless stupidity couldn't be more obvious if they had tried for it to be.

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Doc Degall wrote:
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True. Haven't some of them actually admitted to reporting posts and trying to get some PL's bounced ?
I've demonstrated nothing but a willingness to answer and answer directly any question directed at me. Certainly cannot say the same for others ( Bitter, Tinker Bell, etc ). Now all of a sudden I'm going to be the one having posts removed ?
Exactly. Doesn't make sense. But then again, I've long ago given up on expecting anything sensible coming from PCers here.

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Theoretically I guess so. I believe even the SC in Casey vs PP acknowledged that the limits of viability were moving earlier in pregnancies as medical technology advanced.
But something like an artificial womb would change everything...and not just the concept of viability. Abortion would likely not even be an issue anymore.
"But something like an artificial womb would change everything...and not just the concept of viability. Abortion would likely not even be an issue anymore."

You hit why his "artificial womb" hypothetical is irrelevant. "Artifical womb" has nothing to do with the abortion issue. It has nothing to do with "viability" in the abortion issue either.

The limits of viability have already changed because of medical advances, but STO's example of a supposed "viable" fetus at 8 weeks gestation was so senseless, I refused to go there with him.

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LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
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I have to respectfully disagree. Abortion would certainly be an issue, because there are women that wouldn't want to have their ZEF transplanted. It would open another option, but it wouldn't eliminate many of the issues themselves.


If a woman is going to go the route of using an artificial womb, not only would she not have to have her developing child implanted into their own womb, but she wouldn't want to abort her child.

To suggest she would want to abort is like suggesting a woman using a gestational carrier would have the gestational carrier abort their developing child.

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LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>Damn.....I need to work on my hang up skills....
Wrap your phone in foil. Or better yet your whole house.

lol.

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Doc Degall wrote:
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Point taken.
I disagree. Using an artificial womb would remove the need to use her womb. Also, if a woman agrees to using an artificial womb, her desire to abort would be non-existant. Obviously using an artificial womb means she wants the child, so abortion would not be an issue. No more than it would be using a gestational carrier.

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Eddie M wrote:
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Personally, I thought Charlotte was a better name. Nemo is too nautical and better suited for a hurricane.
What is sad about Lily is she seems to have no idea just how obnoxious she is, and I sincerely hope she isn't this unpleasant IRL. She has the abrasive personality of a defiant toddler.
Eddie, get a life and stop obsessing about me, will you? Holy cow.

First thing you did coming in here was bitch about what you think is coming from [me], "obnoxiousness", and ignoring that very behavior coming from yourself and other PCers and you can't stop talking about [me] in your subsequent posts. Talking about me supposedly being "obnoxious" in posts you make that contain obnoxiousness coming from you, same as John K did. Hypocritical and creepy.

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Guppy wrote:
Johnny and Eddie are the same person. They showed up at the same time.
I also think there's something odd about both showing up and both complaining only about my behavior, and both considering it to be "obnoxious", while both ignored their own obnoxiousness and that of all the PCers here. I don't know if it's the same person or they know each other. But it's too weird to be mere coincidence.

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Good evening "Foo."
How are you my friend?
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^^^ Nuff said about John's idiocy in posts about MY behavior here. He's a fool to think he wasn't obvious.

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LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>Psssssssst....dummy... .....they're not her posts. In fact, one is yours that's missing. LOLOL
^^^Said to Obskeptic.

You just blew LNM and Katie's conspiracy theroy.

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Eddie, get a life and stop obsessing about me, will you? Holy cow.
First thing you did coming in here was bitch about what you think is coming from [me], "obnoxiousness", and ignoring that very behavior coming from yourself and other PCers and you can't stop talking about [me] in your subsequent posts. Talking about me supposedly being "obnoxious" in posts you make that contain obnoxiousness coming from you, same as John K did. Hypocritical and creepy.
You just mentioned that I hadn't been here for awhile and now you claim I'm obsessing over you? Such a contradiction. That was good for a chuckle.

Madame Lily, everyone on here at some time will either be outright obnoxious or give unpopular incendiary opinions, the difference is that every post of yours that I read reeks of obnoxiousness, superiority and arrogance. You're just not as wonderful and intelligent as you seem to think you are, and that was and is my point. I like many of the people on both sides of this issue. Yes, they can be obnoxious but they can also be funny, insightful and rational. And interesting. You are none of those things. You are purely obnoxious.

Now if this quantifies in your self-absorbed little mind as obsession, then so be it.
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LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>AGAIN, nice try at deflecton. Pity its a failure huh?
What we have here is a failure to communicate.

Yesterday you asked me to show you one place in the US where citizens are required to join a union to live there and if I was talking about working somewhere, nobody is forced to join a union and they're free to opt out or find work elsewhere.

You also said our taxes pay for politicians' salaries, not union dues.

And I responded accordingly. Employees are misled by union contracts and that it's a lot less trouble to just join and pay the dues and that unions and union dues support and fund the Democrat party.

Maybe you should just tell me the topic of discussion you really want to discuss.

Good morning, Lilrabbitfoofoo.

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You mean you had no motive in saying, "'Lily,' you are such an obnoxious personality ..."? like those who have
obnoxious personalities in the PC camp, that you call "my friend" when you post don't exist?
ROFLMAO! Lynniekins, the DIFFERENCE between all of us and YOU is that WE are capable of thoughtful discussion. WE do not come here on a regular basis with the intent of fighting just to fight as you do.

You've lied here from day one about everyting from the topic of discussion to who you are. John NAILED you dead on when he says you twist what everyone says to fit your motives, and you motive is to tear down whoever is not walking in lockstep with you.

One thing that's NEVER changed about you no matter WHAT name you're using at the time, is when someone DARES speak out and disagrees with you, you turn on them like a rabid skunk.

There is LITERALLY not one single person here OTHER than the Skank, that you havent turned on since 2006 when you first started posting here.

You CONSTANTLY act like its just "you and you against the world" and you're claws are ALWAYS - without exception - out.

You consistantly make it very clear you're NOT here for debate OR discussion - you're ONLY here for the fight.

You're a petty, narcissistic, hypocritical harridan, and that's about it.

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lil Lily wrote:
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You're not fooling anyone who isn't a PC bonehead with your bullshit.
And YOU aren't fooling ANYONE about ANYTHING Lynne D.

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lil Lily wrote:
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I also think there's something odd about both showing up and both complaining only about my behavior, and both considering it to be "obnoxious", while both ignored their own obnoxiousness and that of all the PCers here. I don't know if it's the same person or they know each other. But it's too weird to be mere coincidence.
Perhaps you and Guppy are one and the same. You both come on here and offer the same opinion of me and John. Coincidence?

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lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text> Either PCers believe women should have "personal autonomy" and "medical privacy" as they've called it and believe a fetus shouldn't have equal rights to a woman, or they don't. At viability, it's still a fetus. Can't have it both ways without contradicting themselves.
You are, as usual, 100% wrong about this.

Normal people go through their lives believing in freedoms for people WITH LIMITATIONS.

We believe that people should be allowed the right to drink, but not to drink and drive. We believe in freedom of speech, until that speech hurts others - ie: inciting to riot or the like. That's just 2 of hundreds of examples that could be given.

FOr MOST, the concept of viability as a limit is a perfectly reasonable one. There is nothing contradictory about it.

But you're free to think otherwise. You have many views with NO basis in reality Lynne.

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lil Lily wrote:
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Oh, and here comes Eddie, who hasn't been here in how long, and first post is to me about my supposedly being "obnoxious", also ignoring the obnoxiousness coming from PCers. Both John and Eddie made no mention of the most obnoxious PC posters: CD, Cpeter, Foo etc. No, those people are ignored by both John and Eddie, and John calls Foo "friend". How sweet.
What a coinkidink that both John and Eddie think I'm obnoxious, both made sure they posted to me letting me know they think I'm "obnoxious", they did so posting to me with their own obnoxiousness about my supposed obnoxiousness. I can't make that stupidity up.
I haven't seen either posting here in awhile, I haven't posted to or about either of them, both post to me about the same thing; what's supposedly so "obnoxious" coming from me, and neither sees it from any other PLer or from anyone in the PC camp.
Their senseless stupidity couldn't be more obvious if they had tried for it to be.
As has been said before to you MANY times, its a shame you are incapable of actually HEARING what people are saying to you.

There's nothing "coincidental" about it. You're ignorance and obnoxiousness is SO glaring and SO CONSTANT, it would be unusual if you WEREN'T called on it.

When one see's your posts, one KNOWS exactly and precisely what is to follow will be yet just ANOTHER of your usual ranting missives.

You're not kidding anyone here Lynne, you crave the abuse, and you set out to be the recipiant of it, THEN act like the perennial victim.

Junket was right, you're to be pitied.

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Eddie M wrote:
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Perhaps you and Guppy are one and the same. You both come on here and offer the same opinion of me and John. Coincidence?
Nah, she doesn't think that. Lynne is simply incapable of expressing an original thought, and has to copy what she see's OTHERS say. Its really very sad.

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