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Guppy

Englewood, FL

#283685 Feb 13, 2013
This forum is going down the tubes.

The amniotic fluid acts as an anesthetic? Didn't know that.

“Reality is better than truth.”

Since: Nov 09

Indianapolis

#283686 Feb 13, 2013
Screaming? Melodramatic twaddle.
Forum wrote:
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Do these women know how their baby suffers? They can't hear
their baby screaming in the womb. How dumb.

Since: Sep 08

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#283687 Feb 13, 2013
The Prince wrote:
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There is a national law being proposwed that would ban all third trimester abortions unless the mothers life is threatened by the pregnancy..
Psssssst.....NEWSFLASH.....LTA 's are ALREADY banned in the third trimester except for severe medical issues, and has been for years.

Since: Sep 08

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#283688 Feb 13, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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Now that was simply a brilliant question. Next!
Why are you afraid to answer? Its not a difficult question.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#283689 Feb 13, 2013
Katie wrote:
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Do you know how the amniotic fluid acts as an anesthetic? No, apparently you don't. How dumb.
Prove that claim. Don't come back with expecting others to do it for you.

"...amniotic fluid acts as an anesthetic..."

Prove it.

“Pro-Life”

Since: Dec 10

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#283690 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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" A fetus is considered viable or not BEFORE birth."
"viability of a fetus isn't something that needs to be "reached" AFTER being born"
Doc and I discussed this a while back. I offered a hypothetical "artificial womb", as a future medical technology.
Given the hypothetical...
My understanding is that every fetus would be considered "viable", as soon as it developed from embryo to fetus, rendering no need to make that determination before birth.
I think that is ridiculous because essentially the word "viable" becomes meaningless in the scheme of current debate.
Tho, it fits the definition.
The fetus absolutely would not be considered viable without this ALS (artifical womb), and even with this ALS it would not meet what we consider viable, today ( a womb is a womb is a womb).
Does that help?
(I know, I know .. ad homs, right?)
STO: "I offered a hypothetical "artificial womb", as a future medical technology.
Given the hypothetical...
My understanding is that every fetus would be considered "viable", as soon as it developed from embryo to fetus, rendering no need to make that determination before birth.
I think that is ridiculous because essentially the word "viable" becomes meaningless in the scheme of current debate."

No, it's ridiculous because it's a senseless hypothetical to begin with, and what's ridiculous in your hypothetical is that you're expecting viablity at 8 weeks. When it goes "from embryo to fetus".

You came up with a senseless hypothetical that you expect others to make sense of, which is stupid.

Viability is about a determition made at a certain gestational point as to the potential of a fetus surviving outside of the womb. A determination made while that human life is in the womb, still a fetus, and not a newborn infant. Katie and some other PC are arguing vaibility of a newborn, and newborns "reaching" viability. The premise in their arguments about viability is wrong to begin with. They will never be right in the argument of viability i an abortion discussion as long as they argue viability as being about a born infant, when it's about a fetus in utero.

Your silly hypothetical is immaterial.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283691 Feb 13, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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Now that was simply a brilliant question. Next!
Ok. Go ahead and answer.

Since: Sep 08

Location hidden

#283692 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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No, it's ridiculous because it's a senseless hypothetical to begin with,.
No Moron Lynniekins, its not ridiculous OR sensless. In fact, in a few short years, we'll have them. Its already happened with shark embryo's.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21905089

http://www.thesciencenews.info/2011/04/artifi...

But then, we know you dont give a shit about actual discussion, you'd MUCH rather dismiss anything ANYONE that's on your personal shit list as being "ridiculous" even tho its reality.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283694 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
<quoted text>
STO: "I offered a hypothetical "artificial womb", as a future medical technology.
Given the hypothetical...
My understanding is that every fetus would be considered "viable", as soon as it developed from embryo to fetus, rendering no need to make that determination before birth.
I think that is ridiculous because essentially the word "viable" becomes meaningless in the scheme of current debate."
No, it's ridiculous because it's a senseless hypothetical to begin with, and what's ridiculous in your hypothetical is that you're expecting viablity at 8 weeks. When it goes "from embryo to fetus".
You came up with a senseless hypothetical that you expect others to make sense of, which is stupid.
Viability is about a determition made at a certain gestational point as to the potential of a fetus surviving outside of the womb. A determination made while that human life is in the womb, still a fetus, and not a newborn infant. Katie and some other PC are arguing vaibility of a newborn, and newborns "reaching" viability. The premise in their arguments about viability is wrong to begin with. They will never be right in the argument of viability i an abortion discussion as long as they argue viability as being about a born infant, when it's about a fetus in utero.
Your silly hypothetical is immaterial.
"Viability is about a determition made at a certain gestational point as to the potential of a fetus surviving outside of the womb."

With ALS, per Doc.

The point at which a fetus is "viable" has changed, IF one considers medical technology today as opposed 30 years ago.

Medical technology may one day include an artifical womb.

So, your ad homs aside, when is a fetus viable?
Obskeptic

Livonia, MI

#283695 Feb 13, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>Why are you afraid to answer? Its not a difficult question.
No fear "lilrabbitfoofoo". Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable". Now considering that I am just one of 320+ million people in our country, here's where the nuance comes in on my opinion. That circumstance is different then an embryo that begins it's conception in the womb as a result of mans natural connection with women. Isn't that just crazy? Even crazier is I believe that unless the mothers very life is in jeopardy from the developing fetus that to abort the baby is not an option. Now this is the craziest of them all "lilrabbitfoofoo", I'm sorry, but that name alone makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously. Just saying it out loud paints the most ridiculous mental image. My apologies, I digress. In the case of rape and incest, that better happen in the first trimester, with the abortion being considered murder legally and charges filed against the rapist for that death.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283696 Feb 13, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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No fear "lilrabbitfoofoo". Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable". Now considering that I am just one of 320+ million people in our country, here's where the nuance comes in on my opinion. That circumstance is different then an embryo that begins it's conception in the womb as a result of mans natural connection with women. Isn't that just crazy? Even crazier is I believe that unless the mothers very life is in jeopardy from the developing fetus that to abort the baby is not an option. Now this is the craziest of them all "lilrabbitfoofoo", I'm sorry, but that name alone makes it difficult to take anything you say seriously. Just saying it out loud paints the most ridiculous mental image. My apologies, I digress. In the case of rape and incest, that better happen in the first trimester, with the abortion being considered murder legally and charges filed against the rapist for that death.
" Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"."

You didn't answer the question. You said abortion was "killing a baby". So, do you equate disposal of a frozen embryo with "killing a baby"? Viability is irrelevant to this question.
STO

Vallejo, CA

#283697 Feb 13, 2013
LiIrabbitfoofoo wrote:
<quoted text>
No Moron Lynniekins, its not ridiculous OR sensless. In fact, in a few short years, we'll have them. Its already happened with shark embryo's.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21905089
http://www.thesciencenews.info/2011/04/artifi...
But then, we know you dont give a shit about actual discussion, you'd MUCH rather dismiss anything ANYONE that's on your personal shit list as being "ridiculous" even tho its reality.
Thanks Foo. I didn't know about the shark embryos.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#283699 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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"Viability is about a determition made at a certain gestational point as to the potential of a fetus surviving outside of the womb."
With ALS, per Doc.
The point at which a fetus is "viable" has changed, IF one considers medical technology today as opposed 30 years ago.
Medical technology may one day include an artifical womb.
So, your ad homs aside, when is a fetus viable?
She copies my words "physician determines fetus is viable" but doesn't understand what these mean as she rides my a$$ and demands I prove what I am saying or bow down to her highness. Even worse, when coming up behind her buddy Doc, she doesn't understand what he's saying (although I'm sure she's clicking those icons in his favor).

Didja see where she told me to prove Doc is PC? How crazy is that? Doc can confirm or deny himself. He's always claimed he's PC, though I see him as PL holding exceptions for life of woman.
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#283700 Feb 13, 2013
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Since: Sep 08

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#283701 Feb 13, 2013
Obskeptic wrote:
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No fear "lilrabbitfoofoo". Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"..........ri diculous obfuscating bullshit deleted for ..... well, stupidity.........
Most "PL" on THIS forum, where the discussion is happening, claim that 'its a baby' from conception. Thus the question:

Do you believe disposing of a frozen embryo is also "killing a baby"?

Yes dear, we know you dont like my name. That's YOUR "tough shit" moment and irrelevant to the topic.

Carry on.

Since: Sep 08

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#283702 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
<quoted text>
" Although most PL define the beginning of life at conception, an "embryo" that is conceived, studied, and frozen in the very first stages of development, in a test tube and not the womb, would never meet the legal or scientific definition of "viable"."
You didn't answer the question. You said abortion was "killing a baby". So, do you equate disposal of a frozen embryo with "killing a baby"? Viability is irrelevant to this question.
Exactly. Apparently he'd rather wax poetic about my SN than answer the question with ANY degree of intellectual honesty.
Katie

Spanaway, WA

#283703 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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Prove that claim. Don't come back with expecting others to do it for you.
"...amniotic fluid acts as an anesthetic..."
Prove it.
I have. More than once. About a year ago when claiming childbirth is a process, that the brain doesn't instantly wake up upon birth no matter how alert your newborn seems. Dig for it yourself. You argued it then, why should I do your work when you'll be less appreciative of it now?

Stop you idiotic, aggressive demanding of others. Google works as well for you as it does for me. Just look up the words in Merriam medical to understand the definitions of the chemical makeup of the amniotic fluid and what these do physiologically.

Come back to the table when you can be more adult. It'd be appreciated.
Anonymous

United States

#283705 Feb 13, 2013
STO wrote:
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"No we cuss at Him to, since we know every child that dies before birth is His doings."
His doings? Cuss at Him?
According to many it is, and yes many do.
I'm simply being sarcastic :)

Since: Jun 08

Atrisco Village

#283706 Feb 13, 2013
Forum wrote:
<quoted text>
Do these women know how their baby suffers? They can't hear
their baby screaming in the womb. How dumb.
An eight or ten-week-old fetus can't feel pain. That's a physiological fact.
Anonymous

United States

#283707 Feb 13, 2013
lil Lily wrote:
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Prove that claim. Don't come back with expecting others to do it for you.
"...amniotic fluid acts as an anesthetic..."
Prove it.
I thought everyone knew this.
I think most unborn babies even want to be aborted.
They come up with many stupid things, to help ease their conscience,or the ones that still have one at all.

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