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EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#99255 Mar 26, 2014
Sami wrote:
Just saw this article about a skeleton being found in a bag approx. 45 min. from Haleigh's home. It's believed to be a possible childs. http://beacononlinenews.com/news/daily/6860
Wouldn't it be something if this does turn out to be Haleigh Cummings? I've always had the imaginary feeling that Haleigh was buried by Teresa & Ronald somewhere that only those two know where unless they let the whale in on their secret, or maybe she went with them too, but if so, who would have kept Jr? Misty was in no shape to watch him, Misty was seen and known to be hysterical at 2:13 a.m. out in the yard that morning. I just kinda felt like the whale was at her home watching him (later) while the clean up and burial crew took over.

I had the feeling that Ron snuck out of work that night, just like Misty made reference to him doing on many occasions, and that he was the one driving the van over rough terrain and not caring if he tore it up. I wondered if he used his backhoe at work and dug a hole to put her in and that's where they buried her, never to be found. I also felt like some of Tommys' missing rope was used to tie her body up with,(I kinda felt like Tommy KNEW Ron had used his rope for this purpose and that's why he reported it missing; he didn't want to be accused later on of having anything to do with tying up Haleigh with his rope); and possibly wrapped inside a sheet and placed in garbage bags then tied with Tommys' rope and left lying on top of, then placed beside the dumpster for quick pick up by Ron on his wild ride, since in fact, the cadaver dogs DID pick up the odor of human decomp on top of and beside that dumpster .

I felt like Misty, Hope and whoever else was left behind were busy cleaning out all the evidence of Haleighs' brutal murder, filth and trash, Rons' computer (which he DID have one, that has never been mentioned as having been searched), drugs, drug paraphernalia, videos and kiddie porn they had stashed behind that wall that was torn out behind the water heater; all engineered by Mama Skank and hurriedly hauled down to the St. Johns' River and dumped there, possibly using Skanks' little red pick up to make the dump run; and yes, Misty could have done some loads of laundry just like she said she did.

I've always wanted to believe that somebody in Haleighs' life cared enough about the sweet little angel not to dump her off like garbage beside a road or somewhere else with no kind of makeshift burial. But then, using our imaginations is pretty much all we've had to go on and the Cummings and Croslin families have made sure to keep it this way....
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#99256 Mar 26, 2014
Sami wrote:
Yea, all communication was turned off yet they flew around for 7 hrs.? Who turned off the communication and why? IMO it could only have been a pilot or hijacker. The fact that they flew around for 7 hr. proves that there was no sudden explosion and say the communication, etc. devices weren't working, then I would assume the pilot would have found some safe place to land in that 7 hrs. It could very well be that some put on oxygen mask as they flew high enough quickly making all of the passengers fall unconscious or there were hijackers who took all of the passengers cell phones. I dunno, but the fact that not even one call was attempted out of all of those passengers is a mystery in itself. Also, someone wasn't doing their job in not following air traffic.
ABSOLUTELY agree, Sami. A VERY common sense post. Ain't no way that plane or its' electronic controls was ignited on fire, accidentally or otherwise; it would have blown sky high!! Something could have shorted out which could have caused additional shorting, but sparks of fire or a sudden explosion? It would have caught on fire very quickly and THE END very quickly. HOWEVER, several experts trained on this Boeing 777-200 plane have authentically and blatantly stated that some of those controls HAD to have been manually turned off, and could NOT automatically shut down. IFF there was a fire in that cockpit, then it would have had to be a last minute fire that caused a nosedive; which of course, would have been running out of fuel by this time; IFF in fact the plane IS in the Indian Ocean.

Indeed! Seven (and 1/2) more hours of flying around the skys? PLENTY of time for whoever was in command of that plane to have set it down in any number of landing strips and places. Furthermore, it is indeed noteworthy that no calls were ever received inside that plane from the moment those passengers and crew boarded, until the plane reached a maximum height where none could be received; but more importantly is the 239 passengers and crew never made a single call OUT of that plane. NOT ONE. Unheard of! And why not? Because they weren't allowed too. IMO, there could be no other reason. I am really sad for these people. IMO, their unbelievable nightmare started from the moment they boarded that plane. I do hope that someday the truth is discovered.
Sami

Howell, MI

#99257 Mar 26, 2014
Hi Vic & Anne, I dunno, but the child's skeleton is not far from Haleigh's home and like you said, the Croslin's may have lived near there. Yep, Tommy knew what was going on imo, all of them did. You don't call the PO in the middle of the ngt. over some stolen rope and why would he even notice stolen rope in the middle of the ngt.? Anne, I wouldn't doubt your theory at all as to Misty and Hope staying and cleaning up and Ron & Tommy dumping poor Haleigh's body and mama Teresa being involved too. Someone felt safe enough to go into Timmy's house and get the keys for the van and they even returned it, so it wasn't a stranger. Yep, the rope, stolen van, running around like a bunch of cockroaches all on the very same ngt. Haleigh disappeared.

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99258 Mar 26, 2014
Sami wrote:
Just saw this article about a skeleton being found in a bag approx. 45 min. from Haleigh's home. It's believed to be a possible childs.
http://beacononlinenews.com/news/daily/6860
Looked it up on Google Earth; a wooded area next to the highway. But this is far away from Satsuma, Probably a lot of missing children everywhere - has to be one of them.

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99259 Mar 26, 2014
However, the skeleton was about 41 miles southeast of Satsuma. Any of her family who lived in that area?
King George

Seymour, IN

#99260 Mar 27, 2014
GM everyone. Been busy repainting a room.

Found info on a 2004 arrest for Tommy Croslin on WS forum.
I think he and Lindsey lived in Volusia County. He was arrested on 12/31/2004 for domestic violence in that county.
Sami

Howell, MI

#99261 Mar 27, 2014
GM All, thanks KG. Vic also believed the Croslin's lived in the area. Pondering's, we know Tommy was out and about the evening Haleigh disappeared and now we know he is familiar with the area where this child's skeleton was found. I don't know if there is any other missing children in the area, but I haven't seen any. Again, nobody, nobody, nobody calls the PO for pieces of stolen rope unless they knew what happened to it and what it was used for. in this case being found at a murder scene. Also, these remains were found with a sheet & like Vic said, Misty kept mentioning the sheet. She even seemed very distressed when talking about it. Remember she went on something like this, and the sheet...the sheet that was hanging on the window....and I washed a sheet.....Haleigh peed on her sheet....I gave her a clean sheet.......the blankets were in the van....the van that was stolen....on and on and on.

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99262 Mar 27, 2014
Sami wrote:
GM All, thanks KG. Vic also believed the Croslin's lived in the area. Pondering's, we know Tommy was out and about the evening Haleigh disappeared and now we know he is familiar with the area where this child's skeleton was found. I don't know if there is any other missing children in the area, but I haven't seen any. Again, nobody, nobody, nobody calls the PO for pieces of stolen rope unless they knew what happened to it and what it was used for. in this case being found at a murder scene. Also, these remains were found with a sheet & like Vic said, Misty kept mentioning the sheet. She even seemed very distressed when talking about it. Remember she went on something like this, and the sheet...the sheet that was hanging on the window....and I washed a sheet.....Haleigh peed on her sheet....I gave her a clean sheet.......the blankets were in the van....the van that was stolen....on and on and on.
I assume DNA testing is being done at this moment on those skeletal remains. I had forgotten details, especially concerning the connection of that particular region with all these sorry excuses for human beings. I am rather surprised that there doesn't seem to be much press on these findings. I did Google it, and a couple of articles brought forth speculations on whose remains it might have been of whom had been missing in the area, but one was of a grown woman, and none were of a child. And yet, the original article said that it appeared to be of a small child. If anyone finds more details concerning this, please post.
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#99263 Mar 27, 2014
Afternoon All.... I dunno. I could be wrong, but to me it wouldn't add up for them (whoever 'they' are), to risk driving Haleigh all the way 41 to 45 miles up the road into another county, driving like a bat outta hell when they might get stopped by cops and them hauling a dead body. Then there's the trip back, same distance; this would turn into at a two hour trip. I think they would have selected some place closer by and get it over with before somebody ratted them out and while no cops were on their trail.

Besides, Teresa the queen mother, had to get her butt back there and make SURE all the evidence and filth was gotten OUT of that MH before the 911 call could be made ,while she waited just up the road in her little red pick up, THEN walked back into the MH five minutes AFTER the 911 call was made with Haleighs photo in hand,(that she had just taken down off the wall in the MH), with Granny Whale Sykes walking in 5 mins behind her skank daughter.

Maybe that funeral home 'buddy' who did all the Cummings & Sykes relatives funerals & burials,(who was later collecting funds for slick Ronnie); might have fired up the oven in the middle of the night and made a quick little deposit after they all shed a bucket uv tears. Or maybe cousin Joe loaded her and dumped her along his route going back to Tenn, but again, it would be very risky hauling around a dead and decomposing body, that would have necessitated keeping her decomposed body hidden somewhere before he went back to Tenn.

Or just MAYBE Ron used his co backhoe bucket (there WAS a large hole in the fencing in the rear near where he worked and parked his truck, where employees drove in and out); quite possibly made a little hole just for his daughter, while someone else (but definitely including mama Teresa) drove Haleighs' little body to him and he/they buried her in that hole, Ron covered it over with the dirt; IFF this area happened to be where the workers were pouring concrete that night, then sweet Haleigh might forever be sealed under concrete and never to be found. I like to think they at least cuddled her teddy bear in her arms.

Ronald Cummings & his mama know EXACTLY WHERE THEY DUMPED THAT PRECIOUS CHILD, but I would doubt that it's a two hour trip for them, with Haleigh left lying out in the open to be found by just about anyone walking there. Wherever they disposed of her, I'm sure it was all carefully thought out by him and mama, with bully Ron laying down his demands and screaming threats. Just my thoughts.

I guess we'll soon know if this is Haleighs' DNA...
EyeOfTheNewt

Cape Coral, FL

#99264 Mar 27, 2014
Sami wrote:
GM All, thanks KG. Vic also believed the Croslin's lived in the area. Pondering's, we know Tommy was out and about the evening Haleigh disappeared and now we know he is familiar with the area where this child's skeleton was found. I don't know if there is any other missing children in the area, but I haven't seen any. Again, nobody, nobody, nobody calls the PO for pieces of stolen rope unless they knew what happened to it and what it was used for. in this case being found at a murder scene. Also, these remains were found with a sheet & like Vic said, Misty kept mentioning the sheet. She even seemed very distressed when talking about it. Remember she went on something like this, and the sheet...the sheet that was hanging on the window....and I washed a sheet.....Haleigh peed on her sheet....I gave her a clean sheet.......the blankets were in the van....the van that was stolen....on and on and on.
She sure did go on and on and on about that sheet! She actually seemed rattled about the sheet. Wasn't Haleighs' little bed covered in just a bare sheet on top of the mattress? And pillows with no pillow cases? Wonder what happened to the pillow cases and the other sheet that should have been on the mattress?

You are right about the rope too Sami. Nobody reports a few little sections of missing rope unless they are trying to 'clear' themselves of something concerning how the rope was used, and CERTAINLY not in the middle of the night. Like you said previously, why would anybody even be thinking about or checking on their stupid rope in the dead of night!

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99265 Mar 27, 2014
If there are no missing children reported in that area for the past few years, it could have been one who's family were illegal immigrants; it is more difficult to track these people, even if there is a homicide within their families. However, I am not thinking that IF those remains are Holly's, that this site is the one and only place where she was dumped. More than likely, she was placed in another area closer to her home....perhaps even up to a year, before SOMEONE then picked up the trash bag after the major decomposition had taken place, and put it where it was found the other day.

If this is what happened, it couldn't have been Ron himself who moved things around I don't think... and does anyone remember how long after Haleigh 'went missing' before the drug sting and he and Misty were incarcerated? But there were several players in this mess... and yes, it could have even been Misty's family who were in charge of keeping the remains hidden. The area on Google Earth where these remains were found is in a small tuft of woods (a few palm trees scattered around) very close to highway 92. I think this area is still too public however for decomposing remains to have been there from the beginning... I think dog walkers, joggers, etc. would have detected an odor. Wherever she was placed, it was in a more remote area than this one, IMO. But it would be easy to later pick up the bag, place it in the trunk of a car, and then during night time, casually walk over the edge of this woods.....look around to see if there are any cars coming, then (hopefully with high boots) carefully walk into the woods for several feet and push the bag under some trees. It was found by tree trimmers.

But as far as someone speeding their way to this place with her body soon after her death, is not likely what took place, IMO.
Sami

Howell, MI

#99266 Mar 27, 2014


Ponderings, above is a vid of Misty talking about the sheet/blanket. It's hard to remember all of their many lies.

Anne, I believe all of them are involved in one way or another and know what happened. I think you're right on about your post saying that Tommy and Ron or Ron had Tommy and Joe or all three go dump poor Haleigh's body and Misty & Teresa & possibly loud mouth Hope, helped clean up and hide the evidence. I do believe that the LE knew they were involved, but couldn't prove it, and that's why they got them on the drug charges. I am grateful for that.

Now, we don't know exactly what time something happened to Haleigh. I do believe she was put in that dumpster at first as all three dogs hit on it, then she was moved. Who really knows what time they left to dump her body as she wasn't seen since some invisible AC guy was at the house about 5ish and granny said she dropped off clothes at 7ish, but doesn't even know what time for sure.

Going back over some of the possibilities of what happened to Haleigh, she could have gotten hurt by Ron or caught in a middle of a fight before Ron even went to work. If that's the case, then Ron could have had Tommy and or Tommy & Joe dump the body or he could have sneaked out of work like it's said he has done in the past. Also, she could have gotten into some drugs at some time in the evening. Also, you mention that 1st call to LE, so that would give them more time to get to and from this location where the remains were found. I don't know exactly what happened or even if these remains are Haleigh's, but they are said to be a child's, not an infants and not an adults.
Sami

Howell, MI

#99267 Mar 27, 2014
Ponderings, yea, what's up with these hick towns where they don't even seem stunned or highly concerned that a child's remains or any remains for that matter are found? What, it's not news worthy?

Anne, your descriptions of these shady characters do make me lol. Yep, via the vid above. Misty said she covered Haleigh with a sheet while she washed a blanket, then covered her with the blanket. Where was the sheet from Haleigh's bed, Misty said she washed? She didn't mention that after, either. What did she lay Haleigh on cuz if the sheet smelled like pee, then the mattress had to have been wet and/or smell like pee too. She only mentions covering Haleigh with a sheet, then after doing the laundry covering her with a blanket. Did LE recover those items? I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't? On another note, wouldn't you just have let lil Haleigh sleep in your bed while doing the laundry? I really don't even believe the whole bit about her suddenly doing laundry for Haleigh to sleep on when we know Misty was hung over and tired.
Sami

Howell, MI

#99268 Mar 27, 2014
Sorry I'm writing like crap and bunching things together, but multitasking and trying to get info. in as I remember it.

I'll tell you one thing. When they do find Haleigh, they'll find that yellow rope too....imo

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99269 Mar 27, 2014
Sami wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =yTl4PUY6o_EXX
Ponderings, above is a vid of Misty talking about the sheet/blanket. It's hard to remember all of their many lies.
Anne, I believe all of them are involved in one way or another and know what happened. I think you're right on about your post saying that Tommy and Ron or Ron had Tommy and Joe or all three go dump poor Haleigh's body and Misty & Teresa & possibly loud mouth Hope, helped clean up and hide the evidence. I do believe that the LE knew they were involved, but couldn't prove it, and that's why they got them on the drug charges. I am grateful for that.
Now, we don't know exactly what time something happened to Haleigh. I do believe she was put in that dumpster at first as all three dogs hit on it, then she was moved. Who really knows what time they left to dump her body as she wasn't seen since some invisible AC guy was at the house about 5ish and granny said she dropped off clothes at 7ish, but doesn't even know what time for sure.
Going back over some of the possibilities of what happened to Haleigh, she could have gotten hurt by Ron or caught in a middle of a fight before Ron even went to work. If that's the case, then Ron could have had Tommy and or Tommy & Joe dump the body or he could have sneaked out of work like it's said he has done in the past. Also, she could have gotten into some drugs at some time in the evening. Also, you mention that 1st call to LE, so that would give them more time to get to and from this location where the remains were found. I don't know exactly what happened or even if these remains are Haleigh's, but they are said to be a child's, not an infants and not an adults.
Good post. I think there is a very good possibility that her body was moved several times. And absolutely NO doubt in my mind that yes indeedy, her body had been placed on the dumpster for awhile. Since cadaver dogs can detect decomposing odor within a hour after death, her body had to have been laid on there but probably not immediately after she died. One scenario is that someone found her deceased in that trailer, but I still am not sure that who found her is the one who murdered her because I think they would have moved her more quickly. IF as soon as they had killed her, then put her on that dumpster (which had to be during the night hours) for just a few minutes then moved her again, I don't think the dogs would have easily detected that. SEARCH dogs would have, if they were given Haleigh's scent. But all human scent rapidly leaves the body once it is dead. These were CADAVER dogs who detected something.

I think that whoever found her body, whether that person was responsible or not,(and sorry Anne, but I still think there is a chance that child got into drugs), knew it was to their benefit for her remains never to be found. She may have been dead at least an hour; they rushed outside, put her body on that dumpster while they quickly made plans. By the time LE got there, she had been moved to a more remote area, but as the days, weeks went by she could have been moved yet again to a more remote area. Then, if these finding are her remains, then they were eventually moved her to that spot. All speculation, but I think those cadaver dogs just may hold the key as to a correct time line.

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99270 Mar 27, 2014
Sami wrote:
Ponderings, yea, what's up with these hick towns where they don't even seem stunned or highly concerned that a child's remains or any remains for that matter are found? What, it's not news worthy?
Anne, your descriptions of these shady characters do make me lol. Yep, via the vid above. Misty said she covered Haleigh with a sheet while she washed a blanket, then covered her with the blanket. Where was the sheet from Haleigh's bed, Misty said she washed? She didn't mention that after, either. What did she lay Haleigh on cuz if the sheet smelled like pee, then the mattress had to have been wet and/or smell like pee too. She only mentions covering Haleigh with a sheet, then after doing the laundry covering her with a blanket. Did LE recover those items? I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't? On another note, wouldn't you just have let lil Haleigh sleep in your bed while doing the laundry? I really don't even believe the whole bit about her suddenly doing laundry for Haleigh to sleep on when we know Misty was hung over and tired.
I certainly agree. Can you imagine what those trailers smelled like anyway? Lazy, slothing, druggies living with little children who once in a while peed the beds? I'll bet dirty dishes were always left in the sink and scattered throughout the house, contributing to the smell. And when little children are around, there are always messes and dirty dishes; it takes a sober mind and body to keep with even minimal house (trailer) cleaning. Pheww......
Sami

Howell, MI

#99271 Mar 27, 2014
Yea, Ponderings & I still can't believe how they searched that dumpster. They put no tarp over it and actually had a live feed of them searching it in their friggen suit and ties. Didn't they try and say it was a sanitary napkin the dogs hit on? Experts said this was not true and even gave demonstrations of the dogs. All three dogs hit on the dumpster. The dumpster right behind Ron's trailer. What's even the chance of that if she wasn't put in there? IA, her body could have been moved several times by any family members/friends of the Cummings or Croslins. 45 min. isn't really all that far away, but still far enough from Ron's and/or not an area to be searched.
Sami

Howell, MI

#99272 Mar 27, 2014
Ewe, ITA Ponderings, but the sad part is I betcha those children were cleaner than anyone of those nasty, drug headed, adults in and around that trailer. Heck, those poor kids probably got yelled at by Ron even if they made a lil mess. Heck, he and Misty probably sat them down in front of the tv every time they were in the trailer or made then stay outside and play like they had them outside that ngt and iirc Haleigh didn't even have a shirt on and it was getting dark and cool when Misty said she took them into eat. Oh, forget it, she didn't take them into eat. They were eating on the dusky, cool, porch iirc.

Also, didn't Ron's coworkers say Misty kept calling Ron that ngt. saying Haleigh was being bad or something? Who knows why she really kept calling him, but I wouldn't doubt they gave those kids drugs on occasion to keep them quiet and out of their hair. They all make me sick.

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99273 Mar 27, 2014
Sami wrote:
Yea, Ponderings & I still can't believe how they searched that dumpster. They put no tarp over it and actually had a live feed of them searching it in their friggen suit and ties. Didn't they try and say it was a sanitary napkin the dogs hit on? Experts said this was not true and even gave demonstrations of the dogs. All three dogs hit on the dumpster. The dumpster right behind Ron's trailer. What's even the chance of that if she wasn't put in there? IA, her body could have been moved several times by any family members/friends of the Cummings or Croslins. 45 min. isn't really all that far away, but still far enough from Ron's and/or not an area to be searched.
Yep! How ignorant WERE those so-called 'experts'????? The decomposing blood that cadavers are trained to pick up is from a deceased human body as a whole, not blood from a wound, etc. I got so fed up with that case, to be quite frank. I saw the live footage of those three dogs getting excited on that dumpster, and I went to bed that night completely confident that it would be a 'news-break' concerning this the following day. Nothing. Nada, Unbelievable!!!

Since: Jan 13

Bedford, IN

#99274 Mar 27, 2014
Sami wrote:
Ewe, ITA Ponderings, but the sad part is I betcha those children were cleaner than anyone of those nasty, drug headed, adults in and around that trailer. Heck, those poor kids probably got yelled at by Ron even if they made a lil mess. Heck, he and Misty probably sat them down in front of the tv every time they were in the trailer or made then stay outside and play like they had them outside that ngt and iirc Haleigh didn't even have a shirt on and it was getting dark and cool when Misty said she took them into eat. Oh, forget it, she didn't take them into eat. They were eating on the dusky, cool, porch iirc.
Also, didn't Ron's coworkers say Misty kept calling Ron that ngt. saying Haleigh was being bad or something? Who knows why she really kept calling him, but I wouldn't doubt they gave those kids drugs on occasion to keep them quiet and out of their hair. They all make me sick.
Over the past few years, by studying other horrible cases, it is just incomprehensible how many drugged up parents also drug their babies and children. And we all know it takes patience and sobriety to raise children correctly and safely, from crying, colicky babies to fighting toddlers and young children. And these scum bags are amateur pharmacists; they think they know just how much to always give them, but occasionally they overdose them and they die. Folks, this happens very frequently across the U.S.A.

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