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“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#8157 Mar 25, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
..EDITED....I bet you think that biofuel is the answer of the future, don't you?
I went to a lab at a university receiving grant money for this "wonderful scientific break through" using algea to create this fuel. I asked a simple question of the scientists showing their wonderful program and it shut them down as the follow-on questions from the other dignitaries began to fly.
"So, how will this fuel be more efficient since it's energy density is about 1/5 of that of gasoline?"..EDITED....
Hmm...in actually checking on your claim, it appears to be false:

http://www.algaebiodieselinfo.com/tag/energy-...

"Butanol can be made from algae using only a solar powered biorefinery. This fuel has an energy density similar to gasoline, and greater than that of either ethanol or methanol. In most gasoline engines, butanol can be used in place of gasoline with no modifications. In several tests, butanol consumption is similar to that of gasoline, and when blended with gasoline, provides better performance and corrosion resistance than that of ethanol.

The green waste left over from the algae oil extraction can be used to produce butanol."

Well?:)

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#8158 Mar 25, 2013
Sorry (well, not THAT sorry) about the double post...:)
litesong

Everett, WA

#8159 Mar 25, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
You're clearly not smart enough to confound a room full of otters.
Hey, hey, hey...... Otters are pretty smart. Ya gotta be smart to forge a living in the wild outdoors..... & have fun also. A room full of 'Socialism is for Sissies' putzes are 'out-foxed' by one otter.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#8160 Mar 25, 2013
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey, hey, hey...... Otters are pretty smart. Ya gotta be smart to forge a living in the wild outdoors..... & have fun also. A room full of 'Socialism is for Sissies' putzes are 'out-foxed' by one otter.
I concede your point...:)
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#8161 Mar 25, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>Whatsa matter?.. I asked a simple question of the scientists showing their wonderful program and it shut them down as the follow-on questions from the other dignitaries began to fly.
..
You set them up in front of the vip's and they did not want to be rude to you about your rude stupidity.

Whatsa matter? No one gives you research funds for not doing research.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#8162 Mar 25, 2013
B_Girl_Turco wrote:
Already these climatic changes doesnt periodically for thousands of years ?
It would be helpful if you reformulate your question.

Otherwise you appear to be asking routine science denier questions in disguise. Any way, 90,000,000 tons of man-made CO2 are being emitted daily into our atmosphere and causing global climate change.

Want to learn more?

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.htm

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#8163 Mar 25, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
Here's the part Brainless_G the Climate-Denying Faith Healer
^^^Ad hominem argument is a fallacy. Childish insults might appeal to other children but have no place in reasoned arguments.

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tha Professor wrote:
left out: "Recent (2007) estimates from IPCC say this value (the Climate sensitivity) is likely to be between 2 and 4.5 C. Arrhenius expected CO2 levels to rise at a rate given by emissions in his time. Since then, industrial carbon dioxide levels have risen at a much faster rate: Arrhenius expected CO2 doubling to take about 3000 years; it is now estimated in most scenarios to take about a century." Oh, gosh, you mean Arrenhius DIDN'T KNOW EVERYTHING? LOL
The basic formula, that it takes a doubling of CO2 to increase warming between 2 and 4.5 means each molecule of CO2 emitted has less effect than the previous molecule emitted. Nature seems to adapt to our carbon dioxide emissions just as we adapt to nature. Climate change mitigation has never been demonstrated, tested, tried or experimentally verified but climate change adaptation is well known. That's why man made catastrophic global warming alarmism is pseudoscience and climate change mitigation is a hoax.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#8164 Mar 25, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot. All science is full of "maybes" in the sense that there are few if any absolute certainties.
Climate change is real, "belief" has nothign to do with it. A climate crisis IS happening. Will it continue to happen? Depends on a lot of factors, including whether humans try to do anything about it.
Comets and asteroids HAVE hit the earth...one was a few weeks ago. Did you miss it? It was all over the internet, seriously.
"Prove" who "wrong" about what? What are you babbling about?
They won't say a climate change crisis is as real and eventual as a comet hit crisis is.
Help the planet could be on fire maybe?
But it WAS fun watching you doomers try so hard and be so determined to believe in your Reefer Madness of climate blame. Your grand kids will have to explain the CO2 death threats you used them like fear mongering neocons.
27 years of maybe means it won't be or did you want this misery to have been true?
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#8165 Mar 25, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>To another poster:

^^^Ad hominem argument is a fallacy. Childish insults might appeal to other children but have no place in reasoned arguments.
LOL. You are mistaken about your place in this forum. You don't provide reasoned anything.

You are mad that science shows fossil fuel use is changing global climate. You are fighting the scientists with your nonsense.

You are losing by the way.
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>The basic formula, that it takes a doubling of CO2 to increase warming between 2 and 4.5 means each molecule of CO2 emitted has less effect than the previous molecule emitted. Nature seems to adapt to our carbon dioxide emissions just as we adapt to nature. Climate change mitigation has never been demonstrated, tested, tried or experimentally verified but climate change adaptation is well known. That's why man made catastrophic global warming alarmism is pseudoscience and climate change mitigation is a hoax.
NOT true.

You misrepresent the truth. You misrepresnt science.

Every day 90 million tons of man-made CO2 is released into our atmosphere. Thus the man-made climate change rages globally.

And you are pleased unfortunately.
The Iron Dictator

Podgorica, Montenegro

#8166 Mar 25, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
I concede your point...:)
Scientists say they have proved Jews rule Mass Media in USA, now must do something about that.
The Iron Dictator

Podgorica, Montenegro

#8168 Mar 25, 2013
Stalin Soviet StinkBag wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!! I think there is far more Scientific data to support that Jews run the mass-media in the U.S.....than that there is Man-Made ApocalypticGlobal warming.
Yes, Global Warming is created by Jews from UN.
Jews like George Soros push this lies.
Do you know who is George Soros...one of the Top Jews.
But it is interesting how Jew Hennry Kissinger suported Chinese Communist Mass Murder Mao Zetung,and how Jews right now push Capitalism in China.
Fist Jews creared Communist China and Mao.
Now Jews push for Capitalist China.
Very interesting...

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#8169 Mar 26, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
You "presented" a 6th-grade experiment which proves that plants need C02. Wow, I would NEVER have thought of that myself, what a GENIUS!
LOL
Nice biofuel strawman, incidentally...:)
Listen, pal, the point is that your "greenhouse gases" ARE CO2 and that's exactly what plants love.

Do you see just how stupid you sound when it comes to debate? You can't debate unless you bring in emotions.

And the Biofuel thing is no strawman except for you idiots who think it's the magic bullet for all the energy whoas out there. You really are mentally bankrupt!

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#8170 Mar 26, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Idiot. All science is full of "maybes" in the sense that there are few if any absolute certainties.
This has got to be the stupidest thing I've read today!!!!

You blowhards are always saying that science is based upon established fact and now you say it's maybe? Hahahahahahaha.
Dismissed!

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#8171 Mar 26, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Why would I believe that any of this actually happened? You're clearly not smart enough to confound a room full of otters, much less one full of scientists.
Why? Because you probably have a Liberal Arts background and assume you are intelligent and no others can be?

What a maroon!(stolen from Bugs Bunny)

Why do you think engineers and doctors get paid more than those with liberal arts degrees? Cause you ain't got it upstairs.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#8172 Mar 26, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmm...in actually checking on your claim, it appears to be false:
http://www.algaebiodieselinfo.com/tag/energy-...
"Butanol can be made from algae using only a solar powered biorefinery. This fuel has an energy density similar to gasoline, and greater than that of either ethanol or methanol. In most gasoline engines, butanol can be used in place of gasoline with no modifications. In several tests, butanol consumption is similar to that of gasoline, and when blended with gasoline, provides better performance and corrosion resistance than that of ethanol.
The green waste left over from the algae oil extraction can be used to produce butanol."
Well?:)
Sorry, not going to believe an ad when the data is false.

“Sharia, NOT!”

Since: Jul 10

Chesapeake, VA

#8173 Mar 26, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmm...in actually checking on your claim, it appears to be false:
http://www.algaebiodieselinfo.com/tag/energy-...
"Butanol can be made from algae using only a solar powered biorefinery. This fuel has an energy density similar to gasoline, and greater than that of either ethanol or methanol. In most gasoline engines, butanol can be used in place of gasoline with no modifications. In several tests, butanol consumption is similar to that of gasoline, and when blended with gasoline, provides better performance and corrosion resistance than that of ethanol.
The green waste left over from the algae oil extraction can be used to produce butanol."
Well?:)
"Butanol's advantages over ethanol arise from its gasoline-like properties. A criticism of ethanol is the reduction in mileage per gallon because it has 1/5 the energy density of gasoline. Butanol, on the other hand, has more than 80% energy density of gasoline. Also, traditional fuel pipelines can not be used with ethanol since water mixes into it, but Butanol does this to a lesser extent and so could be used with more existing infrastructure. Best of all, butanol can be made from the same feedstocks as ethanol: corn starch, sugar beets, and other sugar starches."

Adding ANYTHING to gasoline dilutes it and makes it less efficient, causing more to be consumed which adds to "greenhouse" gases over undiluted gasoline.

I said that it is not a replacement for gasoline and now I'm saying it is not a good additive even over ethanol.

Since: Mar 09

Parsons, KS

#8174 Mar 26, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>"Butanol's advantages over ethanol arise from its gasoline-like properties. A criticism of ethanol is the reduction in mileage per gallon because it has 1/5 the energy density of gasoline. Butanol, on the other hand, has more than 80% energy density of gasoline. Also, traditional fuel pipelines can not be used with ethanol since water mixes into it, but Butanol does this to a lesser extent and so could be used with more existing infrastructure. Best of all, butanol can be made from the same feedstocks as ethanol: corn starch, sugar beets, and other sugar starches."
Adding ANYTHING to gasoline dilutes it and makes it less efficient, causing more to be consumed which adds to "greenhouse" gases over undiluted gasoline.
I said that it is not a replacement for gasoline and now I'm saying it is not a good additive even over ethanol.
First, gasoline is a mixture of many products. For example, butane is added to gasoline to make it more volatile in winter months so engines start better. Butane has an energy density of 102,00 BTU per gal. Ethanol has an energy density of 76,100 while gasoline has about 112,500 BTU per gal. So we see that ethanol has much more than the 1/5 energy density that you quote.

Would you not add butane because it is an additive? While I do not believe that ethanol from corn is a good alternative to gasoline, it does have some properties that are positive. First, it helps raise the octane number of gasoline. When added to gasoline, it prevents gas line freeze in winter. It helps clean the fuel system, especially dissolving varnishes that plug injectors. Because it absorbs water, it prevents water from collecting in the gas tank.

The main reason that butanol (110,000) has not been more prevalent is because of the low yields from the fermentation process. There are new processes that may promise much better results.

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#8175 Mar 26, 2013
Brian_G wrote:
Ad hominem argument is a fallacy. Childish insults might appeal to other children but have no place in reasoned arguments.

>>Brian, you're so stupid that you don't know the difference between an ad hominem and a simple insult. And your arguments and repetitious trolling are so lacking in credibility that you don't understand why you're being insulted in the first place. How sad is that?

<quoted text>The basic formula, that it takes a doubling of CO2 to increase warming between 2 and 4.5 means each molecule of CO2 emitted has less effect than the previous molecule emitted. Nature seems to adapt to our carbon dioxide emissions just as we adapt to nature. Climate change mitigation has never been demonstrated, tested, tried or experimentally verified but climate change adaptation is well known. That's why man made catastrophic global warming alarmism is pseudoscience and climate change mitigation is a hoax.

>>You've said that before and I've shown that you're wrong. You simply repeat the same nonsense ad nauseam and ad infinitum. That's why I laugh in your face and mock you. Do you understand that yet? Or do you just not care?:)

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#8176 Mar 26, 2013
Socialism is for Sissies wrote:
<quoted text>"Butanol's advantages over ethanol arise from its gasoline-like properties. A criticism of ethanol is the reduction in mileage per gallon because it has 1/5 the energy density of gasoline. Butanol, on the other hand, has more than 80% energy density of gasoline. Also, traditional fuel pipelines can not be used with ethanol since water mixes into it, but Butanol does this to a lesser extent and so could be used with more existing infrastructure. Best of all, butanol can be made from the same feedstocks as ethanol: corn starch, sugar beets, and other sugar starches."
Adding ANYTHING to gasoline dilutes it and makes it less efficient, causing more to be consumed which adds to "greenhouse" gases over undiluted gasoline.
I said that it is not a replacement for gasoline and now I'm saying it is not a good additive even over ethanol.
Five worthless, meaningless, and whiny posts in a row just to get you to this final series of distortions, spin, and lies.

You claimed you'd shut up a bunch of scientists with the claim that this algal-derived fuel is "1/5 the energy density of gasoline," and I've proven you wrong. So now you're talking about "additives" and how they somehow "dilute gasoline" and make it "less efficient."

You can't even decide what you're arguing, and basically got caught making a false statement and are trying to wriggle out of it.

You're worthless and a liar. Dismissed!

“Science not Conservatism”

Since: Jan 12

Progress, not Denial

#8177 Mar 26, 2013
mememine69 wrote:
<quoted text>They won't say a climate change crisis is as real and eventual as a comet hit crisis is.
Help the planet could be on fire maybe?
But it WAS fun watching you doomers try so hard and be so determined to believe in your Reefer Madness of climate blame. Your grand kids will have to explain the CO2 death threats you used them like fear mongering neocons.
27 years of maybe means it won't be or did you want this misery to have been true?
*Occupywallstreet does not even mention CO2 in its list of demands because of the bank-funded carbon trading stock markets ruled by corporations and trustworthy politicians.
It's sad watching you, like Brian, recite the same idiotic nonsense over and over and over again and pretend that you're making a point of some kind.

With him it's "warming mitigation" and with you it's "C02 death threats." NEITHER of you knows your arse from a hole in the ground.

I don't want the Earth to get into a cyle of human-caused runaway warming. I think we should act to ameliorate that. We could and should take steps to do so, NOW.

Is that clear enough?

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