Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 20 comments on the Dec 14, 2008, Newsday story titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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Since: Jul 11

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#36208 Jun 2, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Solar and wind power does not work, has never worked, and will never work.
OH it works alright, it's just not cheaper than fossil fuels at the moment. Once fossil fuels are taxed out of existence or become valueless then all those alternatives will work a whole lot better!

Since: Jul 11

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#36209 Jun 2, 2013
Move along folks, nothing to see here. This is the deniers catch cry as Europe gets to enjoy its annual "average" rain fall.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-227468...

Last years Floods

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/ja...
LessHypeMoreFact

Toronto, Canada

#36210 Jun 2, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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OH it works alright, it's just not cheaper than fossil fuels at the moment.
Actually, solar is cheaper than 'grid power' in about 10% of the country, mostly areas that are on fossil fuels instead of hydro power.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cf...

And Wind power is competitive in MOST of the country.

http://www.worldwatch.org/renewables-becoming...

Note: MOST 'new capacity' installed in the USA is Wind Power. Despite the economy draining subsidies on fossil fuels.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#36211 Jun 2, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Solar and wind power does not work, has never worked, and will never work.
Solar and wind have always worked, are doing really good now, and are the main power source of the future.

Too bad you're going to be left behind. And too bad you didn't do very well in history and science. Let's review.

Wind powered merchant ships and warships for centuries, since before the Egyptians to the present day.

Windmills have been used for centuries also, from Holland to Kansas.

Wind is actually a product of solar energy and so, in the final analysis, everything on Earth is powered by the Sun, with the exception of nuclear.

The gas you put in your car is stored solar energy. The coal your power plant uses is stored solar energy. The plants that feed and clothe you are solar-powered and, get this, have been for millions of years.

The simple task before us is to harness solar as efficiently as the plants do, and we get closer to that goal every year. My comment previously, which I think you were attempting to discount, is only one small example of the wave of change that is coming. It's getting bigger and better all the time.

Now, what was it you were saying about solar and wind?
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#36212 Jun 2, 2013
"The turtle shell is considered an evolutionary novelty, which means that there are no closely analogous structures in related animals.

"That leads to the notion that such things cannot occur through normal evolutionary processes. But, when you examine it in detail, you can see the series of steps, each of them explainable through small changes that gradually add up to the novel structure."

For the people here who understand analogy....
Coal is King

Kuttawa, KY

#36214 Jun 3, 2013
I repeat: Solar and wind power does not work, never worked, and will never work.

I know history. Real history, not the garbage that is in the books that they use in schools today that are written by socialist eggheads who were tree hugging hippies when they were in college in the 1960s.

Sure ships used to have sails. It was better than rowing but it was not a reliable source of power. Ever hear the nautical term "becalmed". If your ship was becalmed it meant that you were stranded in the middle of the ocean until the wind picked up again. To avoid it ships had to sail thousands of miles out of their way to stay in the "trade winds". They couldn't go in a straight line between two points. Coal burning steam engines made that possible.

Solar electric? Hype, that's all. Just look at the solar airplane that's on its way from Dallas to Chicago right now. The thing is as wide as a 747, carries only one person, and cruises at 40 mph. A good old coal burning steam locomotive could go nearly twice that speed and haul a train with 500 or more people.

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#36215 Jun 3, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Plants love nitrogen too. I pee on my corn and tomatoes; maybe the asshats would like for me to pee on them.
I could do it.
Shh..you'll get them all excited...:)

“Stop the Brain Rot”

Since: Jan 12

Take a Looonng Vacation

#36216 Jun 3, 2013
Coal is King wrote:
Solar and wind power does not work, has never worked, and will never work.
LOL....typical Denier. Those sources are working every day, which is more than we can say for you...:)
Bruce Deile

Phoenix, AZ

#36217 Jun 3, 2013
tha Professor wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL....typical Denier. Those sources are working every day, which is more than we can say for you...:)
Typical liar. You don't even know what you freaks call it these days. As a pedophile, why would you care as long as you have the neighbor's boy's pants down?
Kyle

Kendallville, IN

#36218 Jun 3, 2013
Bruce Deile wrote:
<quoted text>Typical liar. You don't even know what you freaks call it these days. As a pedophile, why would you care as long as you have the neighbor's boy's pants down?
Typical denier. No valid arguments. No facts. Lot's of lies. And as we see here, a lot of content free bluster and name calling.

You know what would be impressive, dillweed? If you could formulate a reasonable argument for your position and support it.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#36219 Jun 3, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
exactly, son.

glad you read something that helped you realize the fact.

one more ideologue bites the dust.
Retired Farmer

Paducah, KY

#36220 Jun 3, 2013
Solar Impulse plane! Wow!

If you compare how the Solar Impulse has performed so far to the first transcontinental crossing by a gasoline engine powered airplane in 1911 the Solar Impulse's technology and performance so far is tremendously more successful. Calbraith Perry Rodgers took 49 days, made 70 hops, and had to be accompanied by a mobile repair shop on a train. He barely made it over the low southern end of the Rocky Mountains. Solar Impulse is now southwest of St. Louis, cruising at around 13,000 feet at 25 knots. It has reached 30,298 feet on previous flights. In 1940 there were not many fighter planes that could get that high. Solar powered airliners may never fly commercially, but this bird is proving solar technology works - which is what the designers meant it to do.
Kyle

Wabash, IN

#36221 Jun 3, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>exactly, son.
glad you read something that helped you realize the fact.
one more ideologue bites the dust.
One more moron repeats the braindead, fallacious denier non-argument #4 without ever acknowledging that it's been shown to be retarded a million times.

Folks, the key take-away here is this:

If they had science on their side - or even half-baked arguments - would they infinitely recycle transparent BS that actually makes their position look more ridiculous?

(That was rhetorical)
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#36222 Jun 3, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>exactly, son.
glad you read something that helped you realize the fact.
one more ideologue bites the dust.
I don't think so, Tim.

I have never denied that CO2 is good for plants.

It's a matter of quantity. If you drink enough water, it can kill you.
gcaveman1

Laurel, MS

#36223 Jun 3, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>exactly, son.
glad you read something that helped you realize the fact.
one more ideologue bites the dust.
Also, I'm not your son. I'm probably old enough to be your father, judging by your seeming lack of experience in the world.

Hey, maybe I AM your father. Was your mother a stripper or a barmaid?

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#36224 Jun 3, 2013
gcaveman1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Also, I'm not your son. I'm probably old enough to be your father, judging by your seeming lack of experience in the world.
Hey, maybe I AM your father. Was your mother a stripper or a barmaid?
lol....so those are the few places you've had some. no shock to me, son.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#36225 Jun 3, 2013
Kyle wrote:
<quoted text> One more moron repeats the braindead, fallacious denier non-argument #4 without ever acknowledging that it's been shown to be retarded a million times.
Folks, the key take-away here is this:
If they had science on their side - or even half-baked arguments - would they infinitely recycle transparent BS that actually makes their position look more ridiculous?
(That was rhetorical)
why? because KYLE says so?
nice try.
fail
game over.
thanks for trying.
Kyle

Wabash, IN

#36226 Jun 3, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>why? because KYLE says so?
nice try.
fail
game over.
thanks for trying.
Not because I say so, but because there is such a thing as basic logic, you waste of flesh. "CO2 is plant food!" as an argument against the science of global warming is so retarded that - I repeat - no one with any viable science or even half-baked arguments would ever use it.

Yet you use it repeatedly along with the other equally retarded fallacies.

So, denial is a losing proposition, not because of what I say, but BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAY - over and over and over.

Don't like this statement of the obvious? Then reform. Deal with any rebuttal honestly. Support any of your claims. Concede any of the points that have been destroyed. Display some testicles.

“Let's X Change!!”

Since: Feb 09

B4 HOPE Is Gone...

#36227 Jun 3, 2013
Kyle wrote:
<quoted text> Not because I say so, but because there is such a thing as basic logic, you waste of flesh. "CO2 is plant food!" as an argument against the science of global warming is so retarded that - I repeat - no one with any viable science or even half-baked arguments would ever use it.
Yet you use it repeatedly along with the other equally retarded fallacies.
So, denial is a losing proposition, not because of what I say, but BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU SAY - over and over and over.
Don't like this statement of the obvious? Then reform. Deal with any rebuttal honestly. Support any of your claims. Concede any of the points that have been destroyed. Display some testicles.
if anyone is in denial, KYLE, it's you.

co2 IS plant food.....that's a fact.

i don't argue with science....i argue with your crowds perverted interpretation, abuse, and misrepresentation of studies. you have no conclusive evidence of any of your predictions.....so have the nads to admit it, sport.

there is no consensus to your assumptions and delusions, son.

so stop lying.
Kyle

Wabash, IN

#36228 Jun 3, 2013
ritedownthemiddle wrote:
<quoted text>if anyone is in denial, KYLE, it's you.
co2 IS plant food.....that's a fact.
i don't argue with science....i argue with your crowds perverted interpretation, abuse, and misrepresentation of studies. you have no conclusive evidence of any of your predictions.....so have the nads to admit it, sport.
there is no consensus to your assumptions and delusions, son.
so stop lying.
Your perfect record of abusing basic logic and failure to engage honestly continues unbroken. Of course, you LIE when you claim that I deny that CO2 is plant food. And of course, it's DISHONEST to attack that straw man while ignoring my real point - that CO2 being plant food is RETARDED as an argument against climate science.

The rest of your comment is projection and baseless smack talk.

You lose yet again.

Ready to deal with ANYTHING in an honest and rational fashion yet? ANYTHING?

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