Once slow-moving threat, global warmi...

Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

There are 59536 comments on the Newsday story from Dec 14, 2008, titled Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt.... In it, Newsday reports that:

When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.

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joey

United States

#35920 May 17, 2013
F*ck the gov. Quit try'n to scare people.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35921 May 17, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
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True, it would be like the latter days of the Roman Empire. But it would be something else, too, and much worse. Ever hear of something called the "Easter Island Hypothesis"?
Yeah but you would want to hope that any Aliens visiting our planet way into the future find something more than a barren desert and remains of decaying gas stations.

“BET DAP”

Since: Feb 09

GOOM BOWN

#35922 May 17, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
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What we have here is something that has been the driving force to the World's economy for the last 100+ years is found to have more than a negative impact on the planet's environment. It can also place our food supply & living habitats under threat.
This is just one link, google any other posts in past week to find the same result.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/11128500...
Now changing that might change the whole way we do business and be a monumental lifestyle change. But it doesn't have to be, we can use technology to come up with solutions that right now have not had much incentive to do so when they are up against some oil company finding a new oil field somewhere else to tap. The big factors like shipping and air transport and energy production are key players in this. For instance it might take another 50 yrs to find a fuel for aviation that is clean but in the meantime every one of us could cut back on our own personal use to have a huge impact. It wont happen on "feel good" basis Governments have to enforce it.
So this is where your philosophy of so called "freedom" kicks in and it would be a decision that the government makes for the good of all. No different than science finding asbestos products are dangerous and therefore banned or lead in gas or paint.
Science told us that chlorinating water supplies makes drinking water safe for millions of ppl living in a city. It is also science telling you that we found a threat to our environment and we need to do this to fix it. Only because that threat was the key driver to the economy it was seen as something totally unacceptable
It's nothing to do with personal freedoms it's man progressing with science and knowledge just in the same way as we found out how to live longer through advances in medicines or find our way to other planets.
At last!! Someone who seems to want a civil conversation. We have our differences I'm sure, but I can accept where you're coming from. I'm headed out the door for dinner right now. Maybe we can kick it around later on or sometime this weekend? I really want the same things you seem to ascribe to....but how we get there.:-/ ttfn

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35923 May 17, 2013
joey wrote:
F*ck the gov. Quit try'n to scare people.
No one is trying to scare anyone. To borrow a phrase from a famous innovator's advertising. It's about getting you to "Think Different" or start to think outside the square. That's how Einstein discovered Relativity and the concept of Time in a whole new way. If you think in a pre-programmed way to deny all that doesn't fit into your concept of how things are then you are denying yourself a opportunity to advance. Conservatism seems to have gone that way and now its trying to hold on to what has long since past. There is no future in that concept, only going backwards.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35924 May 18, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is trying to scare anyone..
"...a barren desert and remains of decaying gas stations."
Not sure I'd like that... Sounds scary!
Sorta like it was meant "to scare someone".
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35925 May 18, 2013
"The big threat to Florida's future that elected leaders aren't talking about: the average amount of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere."
"..in less than 25 years the planet could suffer irreversible damage."
"A hotter planet will be susceptible to long droughts, reduced polar ice, higher sea levels and more acidic oceans. The changes will wreak havoc on food and water supplies, infrastructure, human habitation and economic stability, especially for the billions of humans who live on or near coastlines like Florida's."
"The CO2 milestone indicates that dire scientific predictions are coming true. Doing nothing will be seen in hindsight as one of the worst examples of human greed and ignorance."
This from just ONE review of a scientific study.
Horrible human suffering caused by AGW.
Of course no one is trying to scare anyone ;-)
.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35926 May 18, 2013
CO2 WILL DESTROY THE PLANET!!!
If you do not except my words as FACT then you have doomed the Human Race to a horrible burning death because of your denial.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35927 May 18, 2013
http://nujournal.net/core.pdf

The Earth is Going to EXPLODE!!!

Pesky CO2
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35928 May 18, 2013
“We have an obligation to save [all of] humanity and not just half of humanity,” said Morales. He warned that if we don’t do more to curb global warming,“many islands will disappear and Africa will suffer a holocaust.”

http://progressive.org/mpballve041510.html
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35929 May 18, 2013
Coffee and Chocolate and Beer Oh My.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/11/28/3...

"Like coffee and chocolate, beer is one of the common pleasures of life being damaged now by global warming""

Now wait one darn minute.

Some one IS trying to scare people here!
litesong

Mountlake Terrace, WA

#35930 May 18, 2013
drink the kkk-aid wrote:
"...a barren desert and remains of decaying gas stations."
Not sure I'd like that... Sounds scary!
Sorta like it was meant "to scare someone".
However,'drink the kkk-aid' never condemned bob burns & his words & was mute on the subject of bob burns threats:
//////////

litesout wrote:
Here are evidences & words of bob burns who is an alleged criminal & reasons he is an alleged criminal.
bob burns' HELLGATE...
bob burns' quote from hard copy, first post:
You are one despicable piece of shit. I hope you & your lawyer get gunned down. I'll do it myself if I get a chance.
=====
Second post:
I'm coming after your 'wife' too. I'll rape and torture 'her' in front of you. Same with your lawyer. What I do with you will be right out of a Saw movie. I'll film it & put it on the 'net'.
=====
bob burns' replying post:
Burn baby, burn
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'drink the kkk-aid' says toxic topix AGW deniers are not scary......... even the worst, bob burns.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#35931 May 18, 2013
Find me one IPCC warning that says a climate crisis from Human CO2 will be eventual or inevitable,not just possible and likely etc.

If it's real it's inevitable if it's not it's not a real crisis. Deny that!
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35932 May 18, 2013
“Climate change has moved into a new and highly dangerous phase and is now the most urgent issue confronting the world,” said Ian Dunlop, member of the Club of Rome and Deputy Convener for the Australian Association for the Study of Peak Oil.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35933 May 18, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
Coffee and Chocolate and Beer Oh My.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2011/11/28/3...
"Like coffee and chocolate, beer is one of the common pleasures of life being damaged now by global warming""
Now wait one darn minute.
Some one IS trying to scare people here!
What you imply about scaring ppl is that it is being alarmist because its based on a phantom threat. A few weeks ago when some mad bombers were running around in Boston and police instructed ppl to lock your doors and not go outside, most ppl would consider that sound advice. There is a huge difference between someone getting into a car, strapping themselves in only to drive safely without taking risks. Than someone jumping in a car with no belts and driving straight into a brick wall. Which category do you fall into ?

As I said in previous posts you deniers put in your head this is a problem I don't have to deal with nor my children or my children's children. It's always 100's of yrs away for your lot and that's how you deal with it. It's a BS concept because its no different than seeing the big a$$ truck coming straight for you on the highway but tell yourself I'll still be to turn at the last split second to avoid disaster. Not only that expect others to take the same risks you are.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
Retired Farmer

Crofton, KY

#35934 May 18, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
What you imply about scaring ppl is that it is being alarmist because its based on a phantom threat. A few weeks ago when some mad bombers were running around in Boston and police instructed ppl to lock your doors and not go outside, most ppl would consider that sound advice. There is a huge difference between someone getting into a car, strapping themselves in only to drive safely without taking risks. Than someone jumping in a car with no belts and driving straight into a brick wall. Which category do you fall into ?
As I said in previous posts you deniers put in your head this is a problem I don't have to deal with nor my children or my children's children. It's always 100's of yrs away for your lot and that's how you deal with it. It's a BS concept because its no different than seeing the big a$$ truck coming straight for you on the highway but tell yourself I'll still be to turn at the last split second to avoid disaster. Not only that expect others to take the same risks you are.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
I'm pretty sure that there were Romans 2000 years ago who argued that "there's no proof that people are being poisoned by the lead water pipes" right up until lead poisoning killed them.
Dont drink the koolaid

Eden Prairie, MN

#35935 May 18, 2013
OzRitz wrote:
<quoted text>
What you imply about scaring ppl is that it is being alarmist because its based on a phantom threat....
As I said in previous posts you deniers put in your head this is a problem.....
...to avoid disaster. Not only that expect others to take the same risks you are.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
A couple of points:

1st: Climate Change IS A FACT!!!
2nd: Global Warming IS A FACT (depending on one's time frame)!!!
3rd: Catastrophic Climate Change Caused By Man is a Scientific HYPOTHESIS!!!
4th: The definition of 'FACT' is not the same as the definition of 'HYPOTHESIS'!!!

So... I believe the Climate changes and I agree with you who Believe in GW.

Now comes the part where my position diverges from 'The Faithful'...

I suggest that from 1850 through 1988 was not the PERFECT CLIMATE for Life on Earth.

I also suggest that Global Warming (Anthropological or otherwise) is A GOOD THING!!!
Therefore, I suggest that my position on these issues is one of a Heretic rather than a denier.
I am quite willing to defend these points with anyone who wishes to employ logic, reason, and science to support their position. Of course, if you lack the intelligence and an education simply reply with insults and bad grammar.

Look forward to your reply
-koolaid

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35936 May 18, 2013
Retired Farmer wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm pretty sure that there were Romans 2000 years ago who argued that "there's no proof that people are being poisoned by the lead water pipes" right up until lead poisoning killed them.
Yeah and now we like to call ourselves highly evolved with all the technology & knowledge at our disposal yet plainly this particular message is one that some have chosen to ignore. A lot more ignored it as well after the financial meltdown, like as if it would stop being a threat because we don't have the money to deal with it.

To me it is like Religion, if science came up with positive proof that God did not exist. Then the only ppl you would convince are the current atheists. Talk back radio jocks and Murdoch news media seem to have adopted this world wide kill the climate message now for a number of years. What's worse that credible organisations like NASA get treated like the non believers in some extremist religious sect by those same deniers. It's like turning back the clock and making believe we are just venturing out of the cave.

Since: Jul 11

Location hidden

#35937 May 18, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of points:
1st: Climate Change IS A FACT!!!
2nd: Global Warming IS A FACT (depending on one's time frame)!!!
3rd: Catastrophic Climate Change Caused By Man is a Scientific HYPOTHESIS!!!
4th: The definition of 'FACT' is not the same as the definition of 'HYPOTHESIS'!!!
So... I believe the Climate changes and I agree with you who Believe in GW.
Now comes the part where my position diverges from 'The Faithful'...
I suggest that from 1850 through 1988 was not the PERFECT CLIMATE for Life on Earth.
I also suggest that Global Warming (Anthropological or otherwise) is A GOOD THING!!!
Therefore, I suggest that my position on these issues is one of a Heretic rather than a denier.
I am quite willing to defend these points with anyone who wishes to employ logic, reason, and science to support their position. Of course, if you lack the intelligence and an education simply reply with insults and bad grammar.
Look forward to your reply
-koolaid
Logic is how i make my living, if i get it wrong then my job becomes a nightmare. In computer logic you do certain actions if certain conditions are met otherwise do something else or nothing.
With climate, science has shown these conditions are met right now and this is the action we need to take to change that condition.
That is reduce man made CO2 emissions world wide.
It has nothing to do in how i feel emotionally or that I worship Tree God's or anything else. It is all about finding a problem and a solution to fix it.
If you start to bring in emotion like throwing coal miners out of work or closing down the local oil refinery. That does not do anything about healing the wound. It becomes a simple hard choice either take the medicine or die a slow painful death from the disease.

“EnvironMENTAList ”

Since: Feb 07

Near Detroit

#35938 May 18, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
“Climate change has moved into a new and highly dangerous phase and is now the most urgent issue confronting the world,” said Ian Dunlop, member of the Club of Rome and Deputy Convener for the Australian Association for the Study of Peak Oil.
Well then if he says so, ok! Now I have to go and condemn my own kids to the greenhouse gas ovens of this guy's crisis. Oh well.
LessHypeMoreFact

Etobicoke, Canada

#35939 May 18, 2013
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of points:
1st: Climate Change IS A FACT!!!
-koolaid
Depends on how you define it. If you mean changes of small amount over millions of years, yes. If you mean climate oscillations (i.e. ENSO) sure. If you mean major climate disruptions such as the current one, no. We don't have enough science to clearly state the causes and effects of all the factors. Climate change (really 'enhanced climate change from AGW) is more of a well accepted hypothesis which has not made it to 'fact'(aka theory) status.
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
2nd: Global Warming IS A FACT (depending on one's time frame)!!!
Actually "Anthropogenic Global Warming' primarily from increases in GHGs due to industry is a FACT (aka theory) and is eligeable to be taught as such in schools. And the time frame is fixed by the rise of industry.
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
3rd: Catastrophic Climate Change Caused By Man is a Scientific HYPOTHESIS!!!
It is the logical outcome of changing global temperatures. It's status is still 'hypothesis' yes, but it is on the order of the 'hypothesis' that 'what goes up must come down'. Given that you are on the surface of a planet with significant mass and you don't throw it up fast enough for escape velocity, it is pretty likely to come down. But we have no 'fact' aka theory to prove it. Despite the millenia of data. Otoh,'catastrophic' is a subjective assessment, not part of either hypothesis or theory. We know that the effects will be LARGE but whether that constitutes a 'catastrophy' to YOU depends entirely on your circumstances.
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
4th: The definition of 'FACT' is not the same as the definition of 'HYPOTHESIS'!!!
True. Theory (aka scientific fact) is not the same as a proposed hypothesis. However, a hypothesis may be fact (if it turns out to be true) regardless. The difference is in what WE know for sure. Not in the real world.
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
So... I believe the Climate changes and I agree with you who Believe in GW.
Why not read the science and then you can LEARN instead of having faith (aka religion). It is a much better basis for debate.
Dont drink the koolaid wrote:
<quoted text>
Now comes the part where my position diverges from 'The Faithful'...
I suggest that from 1850 through 1988 was not the PERFECT CLIMATE for Life on Earth.
I also suggest that Global Warming (Anthropological or otherwise) is A GOOD THING!!!
Therefore, I suggest that my position on these issues is one of a Heretic rather than a denier.
I am quite willing to defend these points with anyone who wishes to employ logic, reason, and science to support their position. Of course, if you lack the intelligence and an education simply reply with insults and bad grammar.
Look forward to your reply
-koolaid

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