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The only disagreement was the number of subjects needed for the experiment, and to go hypothetically and ridiculously further, even a thousand Earths would be too small a sample if there are 50 billion Earth-like exo-planets.
But Brain has a job to do. There' no thinking required, fortunately for him, just the pushing of oil-company propaganda. Doesn't matter how ridiculous it is.
Of course you make a good general point about sample size. One additional earth wouldn't be nearly enough. But Brain can't even describe ONE experiment that could convince him. He "can't design" them. Sure, Brain, sure.

On another thread I begged him to be honest JUST ONCE & tell us how much they pay him. It'd enhance his credibility.
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Disagreed, we've done no 'treatment' by exhaling and burning fossil fuel. Agricultural greenhouse gas emissions and forest mismanagement wasn't part of a post hoc experiment. History wasn't made to complete a demonstration of climate change mitigation. Wars are carbon intensive but they hold no part of any planned experimental test.
Time for the ad hoc, freedom stage where government encourages the production and use of energy and fuel. Time for the peace phase where you use the energy and fuel you please while allowing your neighbors that same right. Time to make your fortune producing and using Earth's bounty, making the world a better place for your children.
Technology and industry are good; conservation, taxes and restricted development dooms our future to poverty.
You know the experiment is ongoing, whether accidental or not.

But you deny it's happening while you're willing to start it, with the idea, "let's see what happens and then see if we can fix it."

Otherwise known as genocide and eco-cide.
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You know the experiment is ongoing, whether accidental or not.
But you deny it's happening while you're willing to start it, with the idea, "let's see what happens and then see if we can fix it."
Otherwise known as genocide and eco-cide.
AFAICT, he thinks that fixing it is a hoax. He can't describe mitigating experiments, so he won't even TRY to fix it.

Perhaps like Rex Tillerson (CEO, ExxonMobil), he figures it'll be EASY to move all those Iowa farms to northern Saskatchewan. Never mind that the glaciers already scraped a bunch of the topsoil from Saskatchewan & deposited it in Iowa; maybe they figure it'll be easy to move back. Just fire up a million diesel trucks.

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Fair Game wrote:
Yes we have. We increased CO2 concentration 30ppm during the course of the experiment.[URL deleted]
Many global warming alarmists don't understand what experiments are, how they are used in science or the scientific method. I cite Fair Game's belief that our past CO2 emissions are part of some 'experiment' as proof.
The scientific method is a way to ask and answer scientific questions by making observations and doing experiments.
The steps of the scientific method are to:

Ask a Question
Do Background Research
Construct a Hypothesis
Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment
Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion
Communicate Your Results

It is important for your experiment to be a fair test. A "fair test" occurs when you change only one factor (variable) and keep all other conditions the same.
http://www.sciencebuddies.org/science-fair-pr...

Every schoolchild should understand the basics of science. Climate change mitigation is a hoax because it's never been tried or tested.

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VERIFIED THROUGH EMPIRICAL OBSERVATION.
Coincidence isn't causality. Experiments are used to verify theories; there's never been an experimental test that's caused any global climate temperature change or evidence of climate change mitigation.

Belief in catastrophic man made global warming isn't based on experimental evidence; that belief is based on faith. Consensus is similar to clerical dogma, not science.

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HomoSapiensLaptopicus wrote:
AFAICT, he thinks that fixing it is a hoax. He can't describe mitigating experiments, so he won't even TRY to fix it.
I'm no scientists, I don't make experiments for my living. Without experimental data, I have no idea how to fix Earth's climate and there's no way to tell what might make it worse or better.

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Perhaps like Rex Tillerson (CEO, ExxonMobil), he figures it'll be EASY to move all those Iowa farms to northern Saskatchewan. Never mind that the glaciers already scraped a bunch of the topsoil from Saskatchewan & deposited it in Iowa; maybe they figure it'll be easy to move back. Just fire up a million diesel trucks.
We've always adapted to climate change by moving; that's a well tested and tried climate change strategy. No human or any other living creature has evolved the ability to mitigate climate change so man made catastrophic global warming is pseudoscience.

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You know the experiment is ongoing, whether accidental or not....
Experiments aren't done by accident; they are intended to control one variable while measuring other variables. Experiments can be reproduced but history can't; that's one way to learn history isn't an experimental test.

Belief in climate change mitigation is based on misunderstanding science and man made catastrophic climate change alarmism is pseudoscience.

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You are right.'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' has no upper class science, chemistry, astronomy, physics, algebra or pre-calc for it poorly earned hi skule DEE-ploomaa.'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' has no other science or mathematics training. To proof its lack,'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' made errors of 1 million TIMES, 1000 TIMES, 3000 TIMES & 73 million TIMES. To prove its lack of a soul,'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig AND 4-time alleged & 3-time proud threatener.
^^^This is just name-calling; insults with no effort to focus on the issue. This is ad hominem argument, a logical fallacy; not logical reasoning.

Most man made climate change alarmists don't understand rational argument, that's why they defame political opponents or argue from consensus. Until they learn how science works, the argument continues.

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>^^^This is just name-calling; insults with no effort to focus on the issue. This is ad hominem argument, a logical fallacy; not logical reasoning.
Most man made climate change alarmists don't understand rational argument, that's why they defame political opponents or argue from consensus. Until they learn how science works, the argument continues.
Shut up. You have no argument. Are you a RW shill or are you just a radical denier? Perhaps you are just lonesome and this is the only way you can get folks to converse with you. Whatever you are very tiring.

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Many global warming alarmists don't understand what experiments are, how they are used in science or the scientific method. I cite Fair Game's belief that our past CO2 emissions are part of some 'experiment' as proof.
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And we've never tested the greenhouse effect of CO2, if we nuke an underground coal mine that's been enriched with oxygen, can we produce enough CO2 to make a measurable change in temperature? Might be worth a try.
So deliberately releasing CO2 would be an experiment, whereas simply releasing CO2 is not an experiment?

I think even a schoolchild would be able to spot that you are simply a troll.
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Oh my. The ony solution is to enslave poor people who hardly have anything to do with it. Take my land and make me and my children slaves because I drove my toyota tercel to work every day. http://azstarnet.com/news/local/govt-and-poli...

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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>I'm no scientists, I don't make experiments for my living. Without experimental data, I have no idea how to fix Earth's climate and there's no way to tell what might make it worse or better.
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<quoted text>We've always adapted to climate change by moving; that's a well tested and tried climate change strategy. No human or any other living creature has evolved the ability to mitigate climate change so man made catastrophic global warming is pseudoscience.
The point isn't that we can't move, the point is that it'll be more expensive to do that than it'll be to avoid releasing the CO2 in the 1st place. You want to abandon NYC & all other coastal cities around the world? That'll be a loss of trillions & trillions & trillions of dollars.

In case you don't realize it, you're IN the experiment. We all are. We're adding CO2 to the atmosphere in unprecedented amounts, at completely unprecedented rates, & will eventually find out what it does.

The thing is, your nihilistic attitude will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How clever of you.

Your psychopathic selfishness is indeed remarkable. You get to burn all the fossil fuels you want, forcing people in the future to pay for it. You save a few pennies at the pump, they pay hundreds of trillions of dollars.
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Coincidence isn't causality. Experiments are used to verify theories; there's never been an experimental test that's caused any global climate temperature change or evidence of climate change mitigation.
Belief in catastrophic man made global warming isn't based on experimental evidence; that belief is based on faith. Consensus is similar to clerical dogma, not science.
This is one of your more stupid comments.

The experiment is ongoing; CO2 now, lots of methane later. Soot has been added to the atmosphere in massive amounts lately, such that warming is not as bad as it could be. Pinatubo was an experiment demonstrating mitigation; the climate cooled for a few years.

You ignore the evidence, but that doesn't change it. There is no coincidence. There's only Brain g's faith that Exxon money will be direct-deposited to his bank account.
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Experiments aren't done by accident; they are intended to control one variable while measuring other variables. Experiments can be reproduced but history can't; that's one way to learn history isn't an experimental test.
Belief in climate change mitigation is based on misunderstanding science and man made catastrophic climate change alarmism is pseudoscience.
In your anal-obsessive rulebook, experiments aren't done by accident, but of course, you're wrong.

Nature has been experimenting for eons; it's called evolution. But then, you don't believe in that either. After all, there's no experiment to test it, is there?

There was never a purposeful experiment proving that an atomic bomb was possible. They had to acually set one off to test the theory.

Don't you get tired of being wrong all the time?
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The point isn't that we can't move, the point is that it'll be more expensive to do that than it'll be to avoid releasing the CO2 in the 1st place. You want to abandon NYC & all other coastal cities around the world? That'll be a loss of trillions & trillions & trillions of dollars.
In case you don't realize it, you're IN the experiment. We all are. We're adding CO2 to the atmosphere in unprecedented amounts, at completely unprecedented rates, & will eventually find out what it does.
The thing is, your nihilistic attitude will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. How clever of you.
Your psychopathic selfishness is indeed remarkable. You get to burn all the fossil fuels you want, forcing people in the future to pay for it. You save a few pennies at the pump, they pay hundreds of trillions of dollars.
I am already mourning the loss of New Orleans. It is doomed.

One of the oldest and most beautiful cities in the US, full of history, art, architecture, and valuable commerce, has not recovered from Katrina, which was only a near-miss. It will not survive the next big storm.
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Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Experiments aren't done by accident; they are intended to control one variable while measuring other variables. Experiments can be reproduced but history can't; that's one way to learn history isn't an experimental test.
Belief in climate change mitigation is based on misunderstanding science and man made catastrophic climate change alarmism is pseudoscience.
VERIFIED THROUGH EMPIRICAL OBSERVATION.

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Arguing with these people is pointless. The earth is flat and u r a heretic if u say otherwise. "They" can't or won't believe empirical data. How can anyone form an opinion if they refuse facts. Capitalism and the free market will save us. Apparently according to one moron all we need to do is adapt by moving. I for one can't wait for the big die off.

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gcaveman1 wrote:
...Nature has been experimenting for eons; it's called evolution...
Evolution isn't an experiment. They believe in catastrophic man made global warming because they don't understand science.

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...The experiment is ongoing; CO2 now, lots of methane later. Soot has been added to the atmosphere in massive amounts lately, such that warming is not as bad as it could be. Pinatubo was an experiment demonstrating mitigation; the climate cooled for a few years....
The Pinatubo eruption and our CO2 emissions aren't an experiment. They don't understand science and they fear what they can't understand.

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