Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#182563 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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There are perfectly good laws against all the crimes your ignorance conjures up regarding polygamy. Use them. The crime you keep fantasizing about is not polygamy, it is child abuse.
If some people in same sex marriages commit crimes do you advocate banning same sex marriage too?
The difference is, the most visible proponents of Polygamy, USE polygamy as their excuse to commit these crimes against young women and children.

I am not saying it is correct that all polygamy should be associated because of this issue, it is not correct.

I am saying this is an image obstacle that needs to be overcome before progress can be made on this subject, as it will be near impossible to gain public support until there are more responsible people in the forefront of the issue, the imminent overturn of Prop 8 will have no effect on that part of the issue.

You do realize that same sex marriage would not have gained the progress it has without widespread public support, right or wrong... that is indeed the case, it needed, and had the support.

“Reality bites”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#182564 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
There are perfectly good laws against all the crimes your ignorance conjures up regarding polygamy. Use them. The crime you keep fantasizing about is not polygamy, it is child abuse.
If some people in same sex marriages commit crimes do you advocate banning same sex marriage too?
Polygamy's Dirty Little Secret

At first glance you may be inclined to say. So what? As long as they're adults and consenting, than it is their business. What is not seen at first glance is the dirty little secret of polygamy.

Polygamy historically leads to rape, and child abuse. Even in the U.S.A. when religious groups adopt a doctrine of polygamy it eventually leads to slavery, or its close cousin, indentured servitude.

The dirtiest, of all the dirty little secrets is; It is the children who become pawns in the game.

http://www.google.com/url...

Child abuse and polygamy - polygamy and child abuse: Are these words synonymous? It certainly would appear so, based on the preliminary information obtained by officials following the apprehension of 463 children from the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Eldorado, Texas.

Reports indicate that of the 53 underage girls, 31 have had children or are currently pregnant. Two of these underage girls have had 3 children, and 6 of these girls have had 2 children. While in custody of the state, one of the girls gave birth to a boy.

In addition to this disturbing information, reports indicate that at least 41 of the children have or have had broken bones.

There is also an ongoing investigation into the possible sexual abuse of boys.

http://www.google.com/url...
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182565 Mar 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
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The difference is, the most visible proponents of Polygamy, USE polygamy as their excuse to commit these crimes against young women and children.
I am not saying it is correct that all polygamy should be associated because of this issue, it is not correct.
I am saying this is an image obstacle that needs to be overcome before progress can be made on this subject, as it will be near impossible to gain public support until there are more responsible people in the forefront of the issue, the imminent overturn of Prop 8 will have no effect on that part of the issue.
You do realize that same sex marriage would not have gained the progress it has without widespread public support, right or wrong... that is indeed the case, it needed, and had the support.
Yes. You do realize same sex marriage had it's detractors just like you describe are against poly marriage?

And you do realize public support was not very common in the early days of SSM just a few short years ago?

You do realize how fast public support can come by eliminating ignorance and prejudice with education?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182566 Mar 4, 2013
Jazybird58 wrote:
<quoted text>Polygamy's Dirty Little Secret
At first glance you may be inclined to say. So what? As long as they're adults and consenting, than it is their business. What is not seen at first glance is the dirty little secret of polygamy.
Polygamy historically leads to rape, and child abuse. Even in the U.S.A. when religious groups adopt a doctrine of polygamy it eventually leads to slavery, or its close cousin, indentured servitude.
The dirtiest, of all the dirty little secrets is; It is the children who become pawns in the game.
http://www.google.com/url...
Child abuse and polygamy - polygamy and child abuse: Are these words synonymous? It certainly would appear so, based on the preliminary information obtained by officials following the apprehension of 463 children from the Yearning for Zion Ranch in Eldorado, Texas.
Reports indicate that of the 53 underage girls, 31 have had children or are currently pregnant. Two of these underage girls have had 3 children, and 6 of these girls have had 2 children. While in custody of the state, one of the girls gave birth to a boy.
In addition to this disturbing information, reports indicate that at least 41 of the children have or have had broken bones.
There is also an ongoing investigation into the possible sexual abuse of boys.
http://www.google.com/url...
There are perfectly good laws against all the crimes your ignorance conjures up regarding polygamy. Use them. The crime you keep fantasizing about is not polygamy, it is child abuse.

If some people in same sex marriages commit crimes do you advocate banning same sex marriage too?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182567 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
What is it going to take to get you idiots to stop believing the bullshit put out by FOX News?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182568 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
You do realize how fast public support can come by eliminating ignorance and prejudice with education?
As if.........
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182569 Mar 4, 2013
Randy-Rock-Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
Lies, from rose. And your sucker ass believes them...
Look, you silly hick. I can tell from Rose's posts that she's educated, so yes, I believe her.

You, on the other hand, are very easily spotted as uneducated. Not only that, but you embrace your ignorance and wear it as a badge of honor. You don't even have enough sense to keep your stupid mouth shut.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182570 Mar 4, 2013
Randy-Rock-Hudson wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL From where? Mackie-Brown University, or ITT Tech?
...and how many degrees do you have?
Big D

Modesto, CA

#182571 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes. You do realize same sex marriage had it's detractors just like you describe are against poly marriage?
And you do realize public support was not very common in the early days of SSM just a few short years ago?
You do realize how fast public support can come by eliminating ignorance and prejudice with education?
Detractors yes, but no on “the same as I describe” people are seeing polygamy, as no criminal I have seen has ever used same sex marriages specifically as an excuse, that gives them the "right" to commit such a crime.

I do realize how fast public support can come, I also realize it won’t come at all unless the people in the forefront of this issue are not criminals and welfare cheats as they currently in the public eye, seem to be.

You need more positive role models
Big D

Modesto, CA

#182572 Mar 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
What is it going to take to get you idiots to stop believing the bullshit put out by FOX News?
That is refered to as FAUX News

It fits
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182573 Mar 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>
What is it going to take to get you idiots to stop believing the bullshit put out by FOX News?
Woops! Forgot that everything FOX reports is a lie in liberal la la land! Sorry!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22643...
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182574 Mar 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
That is refered to as FAUX News
It fits
Actually, I usually call it FUX News.

You would think after what happened in November, folks would quit FUX News, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182575 Mar 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Detractors yes, but no on “the same as I describe” people are seeing polygamy, as no criminal I have seen has ever used same sex marriages specifically as an excuse, that gives them the "right" to commit such a crime.
I do realize how fast public support can come, I also realize it won’t come at all unless the people in the forefront of this issue are not criminals and welfare cheats as they currently in the public eye, seem to be.
You need more positive role models
Ugh. Again I am allowed to talk of polygamy in the abstract. It's in the TOS of this DISCUSSION forum.

Your repeated arguments that poly has a bad image ARE NOTED REPEATEDLY. They are NOT reasons to deny equality.

You need an argument.

P.S. SSM had a very bad image too. Marrying trees and goats and such. You still use it.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182576 Mar 4, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
That is refered to as FAUX News
It fits
http://now.msn.com/msnbc-more-biased-than-fox...
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182577 Mar 4, 2013
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182578 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Woops! Forgot that everything FOX reports is a lie in liberal la la land! Sorry!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-22643...
http://foxnewslies.net/

But this is even better: http://sayitaintsoalready.com/2011/03/02/fox-...

Fox Shut Out of Canada Because of a Law Against Lying During Newscasts
Big D

Modesto, CA

#182579 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Ugh. Again I am allowed to talk of polygamy in the abstract. It's in the TOS of this DISCUSSION forum.
Your repeated arguments that poly has a bad image ARE NOTED REPEATEDLY. They are NOT reasons to deny equality.
You need an argument.
P.S. SSM had a very bad image too. Marrying trees and goats and such. You still use it.
The topic of this form is specifically the judge overturning Prop 8 which had nothing whatsoever to do with polygamy which was illegal before and will continue to be illegal after it is overturned, don’t play stay on topic with me kiddo, I have been on topic, you are the one that keeps twisting Prop 8 to be about something it is not about.

You note my comments about image, and forget them as if that issue does not exist, and then I remind you again.

SSM did not have a bad image problem, homosexuality did, but homosexual crimes were not blamed by the perpetrators specifically with rights under Same Sex Marriage.

NOT true about polygamy, criminals HAVE and STILL use polygamy as an excuse to perpetrate their crimes, and those criminals are what the majority of people see as the forefront of polygamy.

Until that is addressed, there will be little public support for polygamy, I am not saying it is right, I am saying it is true.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182580 Mar 4, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, I usually call it FUX News.
You would think after what happened in November, folks would quit FUX News, but nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
http://now.msn.com/msnbc-more-biased-than-fox...
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#182581 Mar 4, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
P.S. SSM had a very bad image too. Marrying trees and goats and such. You still use it.
Yes.... we all know marrying trees and goats falls under same sex marriage. You are a complete dullard.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#182582 Mar 4, 2013

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