Ban smoking in bars, clubs

Ban smoking in bars, clubs

There are 496 comments on the The Daily Advertiser story from Apr 2, 2011, titled Ban smoking in bars, clubs. In it, The Daily Advertiser reports that:

Grammy winner Chubby Carrier and fellow performers David Egan and Joey Richard talked with us recently about what is, for them and thousands of bartenders and barbacks, an occupational hazard - second-hand cigarette smoke.

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BluesCat1980

Albany, KY

#268 Jun 27, 2012
pops wrote:
<quoted text>If you don't expect your words to be read, & possibly responded to, don't post.
And if you don't expect some opposition to your opinions and thoughts, don't you post.
pops

Cincinnati, OH

#269 Jun 27, 2012
BluesCat1980 wrote:
<quoted text>
And if you don't expect some opposition to your opinions and thoughts, don't you post.
Back at you. That is what I am saying.I DO expect 'opposition' to my opinions. That is the crux of discussion. I just don't typically expect the opposition to be from someone as clueless as you.
Different opinions are common, but so is stupidity of which you are a prime example.
Such as YOUR reply being one that deflects from the topic. You are good at being evasive, in denial or just plain dumb & incomprehensable. Pick 1 or more. Whichever you pick OR don't pick will prove my point. WHINER! You are now also a PUTZ.
BluesCat1980

Albany, KY

#270 Jun 27, 2012
pops wrote:
<quoted text>Back at you. That is what I am saying.I DO expect 'opposition' to my opinions. That is the crux of discussion. I just don't typically expect the opposition to be from someone as clueless as you.
Different opinions are common, but so is stupidity of which you are a prime example.
Such as YOUR reply being one that deflects from the topic. You are good at being evasive, in denial or just plain dumb & incomprehensable. Pick 1 or more. Whichever you pick OR don't pick will prove my point. WHINER! You are now also a PUTZ.
Everytime I made a comment or posted about my situation where I live you just found ways of calling me names. And now you call me a putz? You need to take a long look at how you treat people. One these days you're going to call the wrong person a name, and someone is going hand you the ass beating of your life.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#271 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
I oppose permitting the tobacco industry to operate in this country (or world, come to that, but that exceeds the range of this discussion). It is a criminal conspiracy that causes hundreds of thousands of deaths a year in this country.
If that isn't adequate reason to oppose permitting it to operate in this country, then I am perhaps mistaken. I believe it is a great deal MORE than should be required.
In fact, I believe that it is cause to question how anyone could FAIL to oppose permitting that industry to operate in this country--but I know that addiction and familiarity make it difficult for some to see that clearly.

In your case, Frisbee, you have told us time and again that your involvement in the tobacco regulation debate is purely selfish. Fine. You don't care who dies from smoking, as long as you don't have to be around it.

Fine. You want YOUR little corner of the world to be just right for YOU. I happen to want my country to extirpate an enormously deadly criminal organization.
Oh, but wait, children have a right to become victims of that organization? The victims of that organization are to blame because they were such easy marks? What exactly is it that you think makes the death toll exacted by that criminal organization acceptable--apart from the fact that YOU aren't one of the victims (unless you turn out to be from exposure already experienced)?
Typo of sorts in that one. The word "it" escaped my selection of words to remove when I rewrote the paragraph that is set apart here. Sorry. I corrected it in the quote above.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#272 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
Oh, I see. You believe the children who became the smokers who died (and the nonsmokers who also rank among those deaths) somehow DID "choose" to be victims of the tobacco industry's criminal behavior that resulted in their nicotine addiction and/or SHS exposure?

The tobacco companies are more sophisticated, and they act for PROFIT with total disregard for the lives lost. They simply hired the research done to learn how most successfully to ensure that children would become addicted and acted on it, thereby making the deaths--if not deaths of the specific individuals--practically inevitable.
There an extra "s" in the first clause of the second paragraph, and the structure of that last sentence works better with only the two sets of double hyphens. Corrected for in the quoted text.
Frisbee

Renton, WA

#273 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
Your continuing argument that MY free will should not be permitted to extend so far as to hold an opinion different from yours clearly places that charge against YOU, bud.
Have whatever ridiculous Orwellian opinion you please.
Hugh Jass wrote:
Exactly what was it the tobacco industry was convicted of doing that led to the RICO conviction? Deceiving the American people and the American government? Deliberately maximizing the addictiveness of the products that people began using while that deception was in place?
And exactly what does every smoker that has ever smoked done? Gone out and procured his own cigarettes.
Hugh Jass wrote:
Do you truly expect me to buy into your assumption that all of the effects of that went away when they paid a FINE?.
Do you truly expect me to buy that prohibition of cigarettes will be any more effective than prohibition of drugs or the failed prohibition of alcohol?
Hugh Jass wrote:
Oh, I see. You believe the children who became the smokers who died (and the nonsmokers who also rank among those deaths) somehow DID "choose" to be victims of the tobacco industry's criminal behavior that resulted in their nicotine addiction and/or SHS exposure?
Good. You do see. Every time they bought a pack of smokes they reaffirmed their choice. Do you hold the fantasy that no person has ever quit smoking? That would have to be true for your argument to be valid.
Let me guess. It's not the crackhead's fault either. It's the farmers in Peru. People have free will and personal responsibility, in spite of the fact that you want to be their Nanny.
Hugh Jass wrote:
The number of deaths is the number of deaths. They are the direct result of DELIBERATE decisions that the people who die don't matter compared to the pursuit of the goal.
Yes. Those decisions are made by people who value smoking more than their own health. They know better and they choose to continue. They are not helpless infants in need of your care. They are adults.
Frisbee

Renton, WA

#274 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
Fine. You want YOUR little corner of the world to be just right for YOU.
Correct. You want THE ENTIRE WORLD to be just right for YOU, regardless of what everyone else wants.
Frisbee

Renton, WA

#275 Jun 28, 2012
So what's your deal Hugh?

Sounds like you lost someone to tobacco and can't come to grips with the fact that they smoked THEMSELVES to death. You've got to place the blame somewhere to bolster your denial.

Just a guess.

Are you Mormon?
Frisbee

Renton, WA

#276 Jun 28, 2012
BluesCat1980 wrote:
One these days you're going to call the wrong person a name, and someone is going hand you the ass beating of your life.
Not over the internet. That's why they come here.

Since: Jun 12

London, Canada

#277 Jun 28, 2012
Ban Smoking in Bars and Clubs

Bartenders and employees can be replaced by robots 24 x 7 . There will be no need to protect employees .

Great benefits with the robots no tips, no employee thefts,and a pleasent disposition. New jobs looking after robot health plans.

Since: Jun 12

London, Canada

#278 Jun 28, 2012
These robots can be operated on solar power a further reduction in overhead costs.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#279 Jun 28, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
Correct. You want THE ENTIRE WORLD to be just right for YOU, regardless of what everyone else wants.
Go throw yourself.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#280 Jun 28, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
Those decisions are made by people who value smoking more than their own health.
No those decisions were made by tobacco industry executives. You continue to accost me with "points" against arguments I am not making.

Again, go throw yourself.
Hugh Jass

Nashville, TN

#281 Jun 28, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
You do see. Every time they bought a pack of smokes they reaffirmed their choice.
So, any five-year-old who is persuaded to agree to accommodate a pedophile loses the status of victim and the pedophile has no blame? You want the pedophilia laws repealed, do you, because the kids make the choice?

Since: Jun 12

London, Canada

#282 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
<quoted text>
Go throw yourself.
Just think Jass you can be replaced by an anti smoking robot !
Always answers to the same limited commands.
Frisbee

Renton, WA

#283 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
Go throw yourself.
Can't face the truth?
Hugh Jass wrote:
No those decisions were made by tobacco industry executives. You continue to accost me with "points" against arguments I am not making.
Again, go throw yourself.
Your argument is that people don't possess the free will to make decisions and accept responsibility for their own actions. They are helpless 'victims' who are compelled, against their will, to harm themselves. You are wrong. How did you manage to quit, while being so helpless to your addiction?

It's not smoker's fault, it's the tobacco companies.

Who else do you apply this to?
It's not the fatty's fault, It's McDonalds?
It's not the Crackhead's fault, it's the dealer?
It's not the gambler's fault, it's the casino?
It's not the rapist's/pedophile's fault, it's pornography?

Who else get's to shirk personal responsibility in your world?
If only you had your way and and you could simply remove temptation. Then everything would be sunshine and lollipops. Just like that war on drugs.
Hugh Jass wrote:
So, any five-year-old who is persuaded to agree to accommodate a pedophile loses the status of victim and the pedophile has no blame? You want the pedophilia laws repealed, do you, because the kids make the choice?
That kid decides to have sex as an adult in spite of being molested means he's a hopeless sex addict that can't help himself? How many five year old's die from tobacco? None? That would mean they smoke as adults? Wow.

Mormon or not? Hmmm? Who did tobacco take from you?
Frisbee

Renton, WA

#284 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
So, any five-year-old who is persuaded to agree to accommodate a pedophile loses the status of victim and the pedophile has no blame?
Until a kid can molest himself or until you can provide evidence that all of the 9/11, holocaust, china, etc dead committed suicide, you need to put this nonsense to rest.

You are trafficking in the most vile and pathetic form of hyperbole.

You aren't making arguments, you're making an ass of yourself.
pops

Cincinnati, OH

#285 Jun 28, 2012
BluesCat1980 wrote:
<quoted text>
Everytime I made a comment or posted about my situation where I live you just found ways of calling me names. And now you call me a putz? You need to take a long look at how you treat people. One these days you're going to call the wrong person a name, and someone is going hand you the ass beating of your life.
Have you noticed that I have even agreed with Jass from time to time & said so? You might be great to grill out with but WE are just quite different & often I think that you are somewhere on the rings of Saturn & say so. Maybe that's why you make excuses, complain & whine. Not enough oxygen.
pops

Cincinnati, OH

#286 Jun 28, 2012
Hugh Jass wrote:
<quoted text>
Right on. We need to leave taking away freedom of choice to corporations and Madison Avenue public manipulators with addictive products and RICO convictions. They'll do it right. Yessiree.
Agreed. Problem is that these large corparations have our 'represenatives' from all sides of the aisles in their pockets. That is why they get away with so much skullduggery.
In fact, at at given election, approx 1/3 of our supposed reps are involved in or guilty of felonies themselves.
ALL too often the voters fall for smooth talk, good looks & flat out deception because they/we don't investigate past the sound bites.
pops

Cincinnati, OH

#287 Jun 28, 2012
Frisbee wrote:
<quoted text>Not over the internet. That's why they come here.
R O F L !! sOMETIMES THE TRUTH HURTS, SOMETIMES IT IS FUNNIER THAN someones pants splitting in public, like your post.

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