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#3452
Nov 23, 2012
 
FR hurry up and die will you
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#3453
Nov 23, 2012
 
Florida Retiree wrote:
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I don't need to shame you, you are doing a great job all on your own. You voted for Sarah, right?
I did not vote for McCain/Palin,
I abstained from that election.

Did not matter much anyway,
O was going to win Mass with, or without my vote.

Now how about an honest answer back,
do you even realise your words give one party a pass,
and blame all this country's MANY ills on the other?

As long as you are not holding BOTH parties accountable,
you are being pushed around the board like a pawn.

Think about what others are questioning about the party you endorse.

Does even one negative implication sound plausible to you?

Do you investigate any of the accusations on your own?

No one can be fooled 100% of the time unless they want to be.
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#3454
Nov 23, 2012
 
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The damage was done in the prior six years, you can't bring the country down to it's knees in two years, what is wrong with your thinking?? You just do not know what you are posting about, plain and simple!
If you posted Bush was a great leader,
I would agree he brought this country together after 9/11
and that even though his party had full Senate & House control for 6 years,
he did not further his party's agenda over that of America
(Abortion, Baker Davis, birth control, and all the other Dem talking points were still intact after 6 years)

Then I would tell you Iraq was a mistake,
as was the Patriot act.
I would say his biggest mistake was how fiscally liberal he was.
In the last 2 years of his presidency,
the federal government spent more money than it had ever before.

Until Obama got elected, GWB was the worst president when it comes deficit spending.
Heck,
even Obamas own party hasn't been able to pass ONE SINGLE BUDGET IN 4 YEARS!

But you didn't applaud GWB,
you threw the weight of the world on him

So in 6 years Bush crashed the economy?
Well the last 6 have had a MAJORITY of Dems in control

Where do we lay the blame there FR?

I bet you loved the Clinton years.
Did you notice who was running the House & Senate then?

Do you give ANY credit to them?
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#3455
Nov 23, 2012
 
alternate view for you wrote:
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I did not vote for McCain/Palin,
I abstained from that election.
Did not matter much anyway,
O was going to win Mass with, or without my vote.
Now how about an honest answer back,
do you even realise your words give one party a pass,
and blame all this country's MANY ills on the other?
As long as you are not holding BOTH parties accountable,
you are being pushed around the board like a pawn.
Think about what others are questioning about the party you endorse.
Does even one negative implication sound plausible to you?
Do you investigate any of the accusations on your own?
No one can be fooled 100% of the time unless they want to be.
I do hold both parties, the Senate and Congress responsible. However, all I see is the bashing of President Obama and the small minded uninformed adolescents posting about my wife and my death which are all meaningless foolish posts.
A lot of these people cannot understand the majority of Americans re-elected the president because there was just not a viable alternative to lead America, they have spoken at the voting booth, so now its time to stop complaining, pointing fingers, boo-hooing about past events and support the President.
If you have not voted in the past or recently then you have nothing to complain about because you did not exercise your civic obligation.
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Nov 23, 2012
 

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Florida Retiree wrote:
<quoted text>I do hold both parties, the Senate and Congress responsible. However, all I see is the bashing of President Obama and the small minded uninformed adolescents posting about my wife and my death which are all meaningless foolish posts.
A lot of these people cannot understand the majority of Americans re-elected the president because there was just not a viable alternative to lead America, they have spoken at the voting booth, so now its time to stop complaining, pointing fingers, boo-hooing about past events and support the President.
If you have not voted in the past or recently then you have nothing to complain about because you did not exercise your civic obligation.
Well,
since I haven't attacked you or your wife,
that part doesn't apply to me.
I did vote in this election, so that criticism doesn't apply to me either.

As far as criticizing the actions of a president,
you don't seem to have a problem criticizing the last one,
now suddenly this one is exempt,
because you say so.

Sorry,
he was elected by the American people,
but you weren't.

I don't see this presidential choice turning out well for America in the end.
Because I love this country,
I hope I'm wrong.
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As far as criticizing the actions of a president,
you don't seem to have a problem criticizing the last one,
now suddenly this one is exempt,
because you say so.

I never said that I approve of everything our president has done or is currently doing, his evaluation and his Administrations will come at the end of his elected term just like the last president.

Why is it that you assume so much about me and most of it is not accurate and only to support your point of view. Do some research and report back as to is rated the second worse president, then well have a further discussion on the subject.
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Florida Retiree wrote:
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As far as criticizing the actions of a president,
you don't seem to have a problem criticizing the last one,
now suddenly this one is exempt,
because you say so.
I never said that I approve of everything our president has done or is currently doing, his evaluation and his Administrations will come at the end of his elected term just like the last president.
Why is it that you assume so much about me and most of it is not accurate and only to support your point of view. Do some research and report back as to is rated the second worse president, then well have a further discussion on the subject.
What research do you want me to do?
Who is the second worst president?
In whose eyes?

Lincoln was absolutely hated in his day,
but history paints him a hero.

In 100 years who knows what they will think of GWB and BHO.

I know what I think of both at the moment,
and I've paid attention to what each has done during their administrations.

I would be happy to tell you where I think both went wrong.

As far as you go,
all my opinions about you are directly from your own words here.

If you don't like my opinion,
maybe you should choose your words more carefully next time.
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alternate view for you wrote:
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What research do you want me to do?
Who is the second worst president?
In whose eyes?
Lincoln was absolutely hated in his day,
but history paints him a hero.
In 100 years who knows what they will think of GWB and BHO.
I know what I think of both at the moment,
and I've paid attention to what each has done during their administrations.
I would be happy to tell you where I think both went wrong.
As far as you go,
all my opinions about you are directly from your own words here.
If you don't like my opinion,
maybe you should choose your words more carefully next time.
Assessment by historiansIn 2006, 744 professional historians surveyed by Siena College regarded Bush's presidency as follows: Great: 2%; Near Great: 5%; Average: 11%; Below Average: 24%; Failure: 58%.[362] Thomas Kelly, professor emeritus of American studies at Siena College, said that "In this case, current public opinion polls actually seem to cut the President more slack than the experts do."[362] Similar outcomes were retrieved by two informal surveys done by the History News Network in 2004[363] and 2008.[364]

Bush was dismissive of the negative evaluations by historians, saying, "to assume that historians can figure out the effect of the Bush administration before the Bush administration has ended is just ... in my mind ... not an accurate reflection upon how history works,"[355] and "I read three histories of George Washington last year. The first President of the United States is still being analyzed by historians, which oughtta (sic) say to this president and future president:'Do what you think is right and eventually historians will figure out whether it made sense or not.'"[365]

A 2010 Siena College poll of 238 Presidential scholars found that Bush was ranked 39th out of 43, with poor ratings in handling of the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence.[366]
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Florida Retiree wrote:
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Assessment by historiansIn 2006, 744 professional historians surveyed by Siena College regarded Bush's presidency as follows: Great: 2%; Near Great: 5%; Average: 11%; Below Average: 24%; Failure: 58%.[362] Thomas Kelly, professor emeritus of American studies at Siena College, said that "In this case, current public opinion polls actually seem to cut the President more slack than the experts do."[362] Similar outcomes were retrieved by two informal surveys done by the History News Network in 2004[363] and 2008.[364]
Bush was dismissive of the negative evaluations by historians, saying, "to assume that historians can figure out the effect of the Bush administration before the Bush administration has ended is just ... in my mind ... not an accurate reflection upon how history works,"[355] and "I read three histories of George Washington last year. The first President of the United States is still being analyzed by historians, which oughtta (sic) say to this president and future president:'Do what you think is right and eventually historians will figure out whether it made sense or not.'"[365]
A 2010 Siena College poll of 238 Presidential scholars found that Bush was ranked 39th out of 43, with poor ratings in handling of the economy, communication, ability to compromise, foreign policy accomplishments and intelligence.[366]
Wow FR,
that sounds really incriminating.

I guess if the George Bush School for the Monetarily Gifted did a study that said Bill Clinton was the worst president of all time,
you would believe that, despite your own opinions, and personal experiences?

If you look for surveys to form your opinion,
I'm sure you can find ones that say whatever you would like them to say.

Again,
I would be happy tell you what I personally think of each president, and the effects I have felt in my life.
My actual opinion is probably nothing like you are assuming.

An academic survey of "professional historians" doesn't hold much water for me.

What about the 7% that thought Bush was great, or near great.
How is there opinion so far from those of the other "experts"?

Were they historians of paint chip recipes of the middle ages?

Silly survey is silly.

So....

Florida Retiree,
do you credit the Republican Congress & Senate under Clinton for our country's success at that time, or not?
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LOL!!!

Siena College:
A coeducational, independent, liberal arts college with a Franciscan and Catholic tradition founded in 1937.

That
Is
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Riot!

Did you quote a College with a rich history of Constitutional Scholars?
Presidential History?

Newp!

You researched and quoted a study deftly compiled by LIBERAL ARTS STUDENTS!!

10 points for making me laugh out loud Retiree!

Since the studies were done way back in 2006 & 2010,
I wonder if we can visit McDonalds these students are all currently working at,
so I can ask if they feel their study is still as relevant, and universally important as when they first published it!

My fictitious "George Bush School for the Monetarily Gifted" would likely garner more clout & respect in academia than your Liberal Arts School does.

Just when I thought you couldn't come up with any weaker argument to answer legitimate questions,
you drop that bombshell on me.

Thank You!
Seriously Retiree,
Thank You very much!
:D
Florida Retiree

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alternate view for you wrote:
LOL!!!
Siena College:
A coeducational, independent, liberal arts college with a Franciscan and Catholic tradition founded in 1937.
That
Is
A
Riot!
Did you quote a College with a rich history of Constitutional Scholars?
Presidential History?
Newp!
You researched and quoted a study deftly compiled by LIBERAL ARTS STUDENTS!!
10 points for making me laugh out loud Retiree!
Since the studies were done way back in 2006 & 2010,
I wonder if we can visit McDonalds these students are all currently working at,
so I can ask if they feel their study is still as relevant, and universally important as when they first published it!
My fictitious "George Bush School for the Monetarily Gifted" would likely garner more clout & respect in academia than your Liberal Arts School does.
Just when I thought you couldn't come up with any weaker argument to answer legitimate questions,
you drop that bombshell on me.
Thank You!
Seriously Retiree,
Thank You very much!
:D
You are giving off a lot of hot air but when asked you could not give any research results at all, maybe you should enroll there to learn how to do research? HUH?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_W._Bush

Hey "Alternate view for you" or whatever your hyphenated name is, read the above and then get back to me.
wow

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Florida Retiree wrote:
<quoted text> You are giving off a lot of hot air but when asked you could not give any research results at all, maybe you should enroll there to learn how to do research? HUH?
What do you want him to research? Opinion on a president? For what?
He answered all your questions why don't you answer one of his?

Jeesh, some people, do you read your own writing?
Florida Retiree

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wow wrote:
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What do you want him to research? Opinion on a president? For what?
He answered all your questions why don't you answer one of his?
Jeesh, some people, do you read your own writing?
Yes, to determine what type of job the president did, it's clear that Bush and his Administration flunked but there are people that put a focus on the current president and try to blame him for the failures of the past. Need any more help?
let me guess

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alternate view for you wrote:
LOL!!!
Siena College:
A coeducational, independent, liberal arts college with a Franciscan and Catholic tradition founded in 1937.
That
Is
A
Riot!
Did you quote a College with a rich history of Constitutional Scholars?
Presidential History?
Newp!
You researched and quoted a study deftly compiled by LIBERAL ARTS STUDENTS!!
10 points for making me laugh out loud Retiree!
Since the studies were done way back in 2006 & 2010,
I wonder if we can visit McDonalds these students are all currently working at,
so I can ask if they feel their study is still as relevant, and universally important as when they first published it!
My fictitious "George Bush School for the Monetarily Gifted" would likely garner more clout & respect in academia than your Liberal Arts School does.
Just when I thought you couldn't come up with any weaker argument to answer legitimate questions,
you drop that bombshell on me.
Thank You!
Seriously Retiree,
Thank You very much!
:D
You're a legend in your own mind. Laughable at best for the rest of us.
Ya know

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alternate view for you wrote:
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Again this is about perspective.
I guess you think I am "bullying" you with facts?!?
You are in love with a *brand* of lawyer/politician/liar
Your *brand* is Democrat
That *brand* claims to help the poor, minorities, downtrodden, underprivilaged AND somehow,
the middle class who pays to support the first 4 groups.
In the 1950's
Republicans were the pro-minority party,
and Democrats were openly anti-minority.
Look it up.
They swapped playbooks one year and its been that way since.
You can like Coke if you want,
but you are a fool if you HATE Pepsi.
They are brands,
and you fell for their Billion Dollar marketing program.
I could give two shytes what you think, it's quite obvious your brain is still in the process of maturing. I was commenting about all of you, with the exception of FR, who is the only adult posting on this thread. I fell for nothing, including your BS. Now go get a job and do something constructive during the day instead of spending it on an internet forum puffing your feathers.
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My man Retiree can't produce anything, even when he pops one of those little blue pills. Like Obamas economic policies, he's impotent.

Good thing there are guys in the retirement community who have equipment that still works.
jay silverheels

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Florida Retiree wrote:
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Yes, to determine what type of job the president did, it's clear that Bush and his Administration flunked but there are people that put a focus on the current president and try to blame him for the failures of the past. Need any more help?
Harry Truman left office with his approval ratings in the tank,
and now is considered a good president. you never know how history
will judge presidents in the long haul.
Very true

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Well the majority ruled in Egypt. They fought for democracy and look what they elected? Just goes to show that the majority is not always right and that there are lots of stupid people in the world who for some strange reason vote against their best interests. Sounds familiar.

“To contract new debts...”

Since: Apr 08

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wow wrote:
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What do you want him to research? Opinion on a president? For what?
He answered all your questions why don't you answer one of his?
Jeesh, some people, do you read your own writing?
Morning Blue

http://lmaobama.com/2011/02/05/3296/

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