Lamb chop

Jonesboro, AR

#143 Jan 25, 2013
Tackmaster wrote:
<quoted text> Thanks for Info. I have been incognito for awhile. Im aware of the County involved with Attorney from LR again, allededly fooling with the peoples rights again. Hope the Constitutions prevails in all cases.
Franklin declared: Protection is as truly due from the government to the people as obedience from the people is due to the government. Strength in numbers was key.
The old saying is true..."Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you"
wrong with your words! You need to do your home work!
Haha

Jonesboro, AR

#144 Jan 25, 2013
doh wrote:
<quoted text>
first sole ambulance franchise ever passed by the council AND the people legally voted it down.
council should use their eyes, ears, and brains, and learn to look, listen, and think better.
No this is not the first franchise dumba** the first one was in the late 90's for Pafford look at ur sh** it was then after the franchise was up that AET and PTS came in and then a little later Keller came in which then turned into medic one
well

Ash Flat, AR

#145 Jan 25, 2013
Haha wrote:
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No this is not the first franchise dumba** the first one was in the late 90's for Pafford look at ur sh** it was then after the franchise was up that AET and PTS came in and then a little later Keller came in which then turned into medic one
Was Pafford a sole franchise by ordinance?
Why did Pafford leave and how many trucks did city require then?

Seems the city may have learned a lesson then since the later ones weren't required to be sole franchised. Wonder why they weren't?

The voters rejected the sole franchise and the council has gone against that vote.
Still a very bad decision by the council imo.
great

Ash Flat, AR

#146 Jan 25, 2013
advice wrote:
An attorney (not local) with experience in municipal law is examining documents now.
Will advise, hope early next week.
Thank you.
appreciate your involvement and actions!
how much do we owe you?
set up and post a new email address so we can contact and $upport you.
advice

United States

#147 Jan 25, 2013
great wrote:
<quoted text>
appreciate your involvement and actions!
how much do we owe you?
set up and post a new email address so we can contact and $upport you.
Thank you kindly for your response. I will publicly share the advice of the attorney in a timely manner. An email address will be forthcoming.
Haha

Jonesboro, AR

#148 Jan 26, 2013
well wrote:
<quoted text>
Was Pafford a sole franchise by ordinance?
Why did Pafford leave and how many trucks did city require then?
Seems the city may have learned a lesson then since the later ones weren't required to be sole franchised. Wonder why they weren't?
The voters rejected the sole franchise and the council has gone against that vote.
Still a very bad decision by the council imo.
Yes I was a sole franchise and they left because pafford no longer wanted to run in pocahontas they had other cities that pafford found more important
info

Ash Flat, AR

#149 Jan 26, 2013
Was the county or hospital ever involved in the decisions on the old ambulance businesses here?

Why didn't the city franchise again after pafford left?
Haha

Jonesboro, AR

#150 Jan 27, 2013
info wrote:
Was the county or hospital ever involved in the decisions on the old ambulance businesses here?
Why didn't the city franchise again after pafford left?
Because there was 3 ambulance services that came in AET, PTS, and Keller
well

Ash Flat, AR

#151 Jan 27, 2013
wonder why the city didn't franchise again when pafford left?
Dick

Oklahoma City, OK

#152 Jan 27, 2013
Because with pts Keller and aet there was plenty coverage and then when it was just medic one they thought they had control of Pocahontas and Randolph county. They said 2 ambulances was
all Pocahontas would ever have and if the 2 were busy and someone needed a ambulance then they would have to wait because there was no one else to call. I bet you regret saying that don't you Ryan Kibler.
randolph county concerned

Jonesboro, AR

#153 Jan 28, 2013
Dick wrote:
Because with pts Keller and aet there was plenty coverage and then when it was just medic one they thought they had control of Pocahontas and Randolph county. They said 2 ambulances was
all Pocahontas would ever have and if the 2 were busy and someone needed a ambulance then they would have to wait because there was no one else to call. I bet you regret saying that don't you Ryan Kibler.
ou are so wrongwe had better coverage than we had ever had and there was no reason to do what the city council did but looks like the voters of pocahontas are just going to lay down and play dead because that is what they are doing sorry for you
yadayada

United States

#154 Jan 28, 2013
Dick wrote:
Because with pts Keller and aet there was plenty coverage and then when it was just medic one they thought they had control of Pocahontas and Randolph county. They said 2 ambulances was
all Pocahontas would ever have and if the 2 were busy and someone needed a ambulance then they would have to wait because there was no one else to call. I bet you regret saying that don't you Ryan Kibler.
You certainly live up to your name...
Kibler never spoke as you claimed, this is another lie, part of the propaganda machine run by the city council.. There exists an audio recording where Kibler tried to demonstrate to local citizens that 3 full time ambulances were not economically sustainable in
Pocahontas. Your council members are in possession of that recording, why don't you submit FOIA and ask for a copy yourself? Or are you afraid to discover the truth?
Your characterization of MedicOne attitude is erroneous, you should not attempt to mislead the ppublic in such a manner. Keep in mind that the council actually realized the truth...they claimed there would be three ambulances with the franchise, but there are not three there are only about two and a half. ProMed would not be able to run three ambulances either, they would go broke. Now should we believe that ProMed will NEVER give us three ambulances? No, it's all about splitting hairs and trying to make political hay. If the city council stated reason for a franchise was legitimate, we would have three full time ambulances now. End of story.
advice

United States

#155 Jan 31, 2013
advice wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you kindly for your response. I will publicly share the advice of the attorney in a timely manner. An email address will be forthcoming.
An attorney has advised that the most efficient option for action against the franchise would be an initiative.(details unspecified)
Anything else brings with it risks of uncertainty that make the outcome difficult to predict.
A voter initiative would require planning and participation by a group of significant size. I am not aware of any such action planned at this time.
Upon request, I may be able to provide some additional details.
Thank you for your support.
well

Mountain Home, AR

#156 Jan 31, 2013
advice wrote:
<quoted text>
An attorney has advised that the most efficient option for action against the franchise would be an initiative.(details unspecified)
Anything else brings with it risks of uncertainty that make the outcome difficult to predict.
A voter initiative would require planning and participation by a group of significant size. I am not aware of any such action planned at this time.
Upon request, I may be able to provide some additional details.
Thank you for your support.
thank YOU for the info and time and $$ spent and also medic one for past work on it.
like 1000+ voters, hate to see the council get away with their bs.
but can't expect medic one or a couple to pull all the weight for us this time.

need a public group formed with a few leaders and donors to pu$h it.
would an initiative for sure trump the council vote - which would be the law? for how long?

does initiative need about 30 or 35% to be put to a vote? about twice as last time?
had over half at 1000+ vote against it, so the signatures are do-able with some work.
people are pissed and would sign if given a few chances and places to come sign up or were canvassed.

keep it simple - yes or no.
would "should the city have a sole ambulance franchise?" work or would the city just come up with some funny regs for a non-sole?

maybe go with "should city have an ambulance franchise"?
advice

Caddo Mills, TX

#157 Feb 1, 2013
well wrote:
<quoted text>
thank YOU for the info and time and $$ spent and also medic one for past work on it.
like 1000+ voters, hate to see the council get away with their bs.
but can't expect medic one or a couple to pull all the weight for us this time.
need a public group formed with a few leaders and donors to pu$h it.
would an initiative for sure trump the council vote - which would be the law? for how long?
does initiative need about 30 or 35% to be put to a vote? about twice as last time?
had over half at 1000+ vote against it, so the signatures are do-able with some work.
people are pissed and would sign if given a few chances and places to come sign up or were canvassed.
keep it simple - yes or no.
would "should the city have a sole ambulance franchise?" work or would the city just come up with some funny regs for a non-sole?
maybe go with "should city have an ambulance franchise"?
These are good questions. Perhaps continuing discussion with an attorney is the next step. Although the name of one of the attorneys used is in the public record, I am loathe to post it on Topix. I will, however, provide that information thru e-mail on request.
I also understand that significant body of related documentation is available in digital format, such as documents from ALL FOIA requests, audio from council meetings & private meetings, copies of petitions, etc. Perhaps this could be requested as well.

The opinion of the attorney regarding initiative is relevant, but I think a second path could be available. The city council was unresponsive to petitioners and voters. The question is, are voters sufficiently dissatisfied to remove the offending council members? Arkansas law allows for recall of mayor and municipal "board of directors"... does this mean council members? In any event, they may want to run for office again. Would it be easier to defeat the current council at the polls, then modify the ordinance?
in any event, I would suggest the problem is in council leadership and responsiveness, and not with an ambulance franchise per se. For further discussion, e-mail pocacityfiles@gmail.com.
Thank you.
JamesP

United States

#158 Feb 1, 2013
I did some research and found that any initiative can be overturned by a vote of the city council. Doubt that is a viable option because of that. Just offering my two cents...
advice wrote:
<quoted text>
An attorney has advised that the most efficient option for action against the franchise would be an initiative.(details unspecified)
Anything else brings with it risks of uncertainty that make the outcome difficult to predict.
A voter initiative would require planning and participation by a group of significant size. I am not aware of any such action planned at this time.
Upon request, I may be able to provide some additional details.
Thank you for your support.
break the stalemate

Mountain Home, AR

#159 Feb 1, 2013
JamesP wrote:
I did some research and found that any initiative can be overturned by a vote of the city council. Doubt that is a viable option because of that. Just offering my two cents...
<quoted text>
OUR present city council, minus one, by their actions, has clearly proven that they have no shame and will disregard the voters. may be time for some recalls.

how many signatures does a recall take vs initiative?

if gathering signatures, do BOTH an initiative AND a few recalls.
put and keep some real pressure on em to straighten up and fly right. i don't see how they can hold their heads up and look folks in the eyes. the fire is lit, just need to hold their feet to it.

if promed ever threatens or sues the city for a voter withdrawn franchise, there name will be dirt in arkansas. pr nightmare for them.

where was the press coverage on the referendum and council over-ride. sun and kait coverage on the successful voter action was weak and sad. call em out on it.
guest

Mountain Home, AR

#160 Feb 1, 2013
break the stalemate wrote:
<quoted text>OUR present city council, minus one, by their actions, has clearly proven that they have no shame and will disregard the voters. may be time for some recalls.
how many signatures does a recall take vs initiative?
if gathering signatures, do BOTH an initiative AND a few recalls.
put and keep some real pressure on em to straighten up and fly right. i don't see how they can hold their heads up and look folks in the eyes. the fire is lit, just need to hold their feet to it.
if promed ever threatens or sues the city for a voter withdrawn franchise, there name will be dirt in arkansas. pr nightmare for them.
where was the press coverage on the referendum and council over-ride. sun and kait coverage on the successful voter action was weak and sad. call em out on it.
did anyone notify the sun or kait? if not they should have. start a group to watch all our elected officials. its sad that you have to come to topixs for news. call a meeting for concerned citzens, what about this pool for joe grider its going to raise its nasty head again will the people be ready when it does?
advice

Hallsville, TX

#161 Feb 1, 2013
JamesP wrote:
I did some research and found that any initiative can be overturned by a vote of the city council. Doubt that is a viable option because of that. Just offering my two cents...
<quoted text>
I tend to agree with you. Looks like recall is BEST option, if it is allowed by Arkansas statute. If not, then voters will have to wait until next election to exact revenge.
As always, finding someone to oppose the incumbents is the heart of the problem.
guest

Horseshoe Bend, AR

#162 Feb 1, 2013
advice wrote:
<quoted text>
I tend to agree with you. Looks like recall is BEST option, if it is allowed by Arkansas statute. If not, then voters will have to wait until next election to exact revenge.
As always, finding someone to oppose the incumbents is the heart of the problem.
this is why a group needs to be formed now.

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