Obama's "Change". How's is working for you?

[One on One]

FookObama wrote:

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I'd rather have a "No Tax".

How do you think we could run a country with a tax? That is ridiculous. There should be changes made and it made much, much simpler because the average person can't even do their own tax return. There is no reason it should take a rocket scientist to do a tax return. A flat tax would be much simpler.

[FookObama]

One on One wrote:

How do you think we could run a country with a tax? That is ridiculous. There should be changes made and it made much, much simpler because the average person can't even do their own tax return. There is no reason it should take a rocket scientist to do a tax return. A flat tax would be much simpler.

Learn something:

http://www.youtube.com/user/misesmedia

[maybe]

california is half illegals and foreigners, full of fruits and nuts, and broke. sell it to china.

[One on One]

maybe wrote:

california is half illegals and foreigners, full of fruits and nuts, and broke. sell it to china.

I don't think $15.00 is going to help the National Debt very much, do you?

[well]

put a nuke on dc

[One on One]

well wrote:

put a nuke on dc

It wouldn't hurt anybody important anyway. lol

[TRUTH]

guest wrote:

He sure fixed the credit card mess . I have two and both interest rates went sky high

If you need to cut them up and want a payment plan
CITI will work with you. Chase wont.

[Christmas]

Twas the month before Christmas,
When all through the land,
Not a Christian was praying,
Nor taking a stand.
See the DC Police had taken away,
The Reason for Christmas-no one could say.
The children were told by their schools not to sing,
About Shepards and Wise Men and Angela and Things.
It might hurt people's feelings, the teacher would say,
December 25th is just a Holiday.
Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit,
Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it.
CD's from Madonna, an X-box, an i-pod,
Something was CHANGING, something quite odd.
Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa,
In hopes to sell books by Fraken & Fonda.
As Targets were hanging their trees upside down,
At Lowe's the word Christmas-was no where to be found.
At K-mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears,
You won't hear the word Christmas, it won't touch your ears.
Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty
Are the words used to intimidate me.
Now Obama, Now Daschle, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
On Boxer, On Rather, On Kerry, On Clinton.
At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter,
To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.
And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith.
Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace.
The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded,
The reason for the season, stopped before it started.
So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'
Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me,
Choose your words carefully, choose what you say,
Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS,
not Happy Holiday

[Yule]

Christmas wrote:

Twas the month before Christmas,
When all through the land,
Not a Christian was praying,
Nor taking a stand.
See the DC Police had taken away,
The Reason for Christmas-no one could say.
The children were told by their schools not to sing,
About Shepards and Wise Men and Angela and Things.
It might hurt people's feelings, the teacher would say,
December 25th is just a Holiday.
Yet the shoppers were ready with cash, checks and credit,
Pushing folks down to the floor just to get it.
CD's from Madonna, an X-box, an i-pod,
Something was CHANGING, something quite odd.
Retailers promoted Ramadan and Kwanzaa,
In hopes to sell books by Fraken & Fonda.
As Targets were hanging their trees upside down,
At Lowe's the word Christmas-was no where to be found.
At K-mart and Staples and Penny's and Sears,
You won't hear the word Christmas, it won't touch your ears.
Inclusive, sensitive, Di-ver-si-ty
Are the words used to intimidate me.
Now Obama, Now Daschle, Now Sharpton, Wolf Blitzen
On Boxer, On Rather, On Kerry, On Clinton.
At the top of the Senate, there arose such a clatter,
To eliminate Jesus, in all public matter.
And we spoke not a word, as they took away our faith.
Forbidden to speak of salvation and grace.
The true Gift of Christmas was exchanged and discarded,
The reason for the season, stopped before it started.
So as you celebrate 'Winter Break' under your 'Dream Tree'
Sipping your Starbucks, listen to me,
Choose your words carefully, choose what you say,
Shout MERRY CHRISTMAS,
not Happy Holiday

Nothing in Christianity is original, including Christmas. The pre-Christian God Mithras, called the "Son of God" - "Light of the World" - "Lamb of God" - "Everlasting Life", etc. by his followers, was born on December 25 of a virgin, died on a cross, was buried in a tomb, and then resurrected in three days. BTW: December 25 is also the birthday of Osiris (Egyptian god), Adonis (Greek god), and Dionysus (pre-Christian Roman god), all with the same story. The newborn Hindu god Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity’s weekly holy day, "SUN-day", was stolen from pagan "sun" worship.

[Long John]

dont blame me I voted for the American guy.

[New Bumper Sticker]

Pray for Obama:
Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take office.

[Mithra]

Yule wrote:

<quoted text>
Nothing in Christianity is original, including Christmas. The pre-Christian God Mithras, called the "Son of God" - "Light of the World" - "Lamb of God" - "Everlasting Life", etc. by his followers, was born on December 25 of a virgin, died on a cross, was buried in a tomb, and then resurrected in three days. BTW: December 25 is also the birthday of Osiris (Egyptian god), Adonis (Greek god), and Dionysus (pre-Christian Roman god), all with the same story. The newborn Hindu god Krishna was presented with gold, frankincense, and myrrh. Even Christianity’s weekly holy day, "SUN-day", was stolen from pagan "sun" worship.

Jesus Birth

The Bible gives no date as such for Jesus' birth. It was certainly not December 25. Going by present weather conditions in Israel, it would have been too cold, snowy, the roads a mess, and no sheep in pastures, etc. It would have been late spring or summer, some guess no later than September. The exact date doesn't distract from Jesus' mission, which to quote a Christian, "The essential fact is that God did enflesh Himself in time and space (1 John 4:2). He was born from a woman on a specific day in a specific year, walked among us, died for our sins, was raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven. This is what we celebrate at Christmas: God was (and is) with us!"

Mithra's birthday was December 25 and that was grafted onto Christianity during the 3rd or 4th centuries. While Jesus was born of a women, the birth of Mithra is in no way similar. There's nothing at all about a manger, three magi, etc. Some claimed Mithra was born of a virgin; he wasn't born of a women at all. According to scholars,

In Mithraic Studies it stated that Mithras was born as an adult from solid rock, "wearing his Phrygian cap, issues forth from the rocky mass. As yet only his bare torso is visible. In each hand he raises aloft a lighted torch and, as an unusual detail, red flames shoot out all around him...(Wiki)

[Mithra]

The Mithraic Mysteries became popular among the military in the Roman Empire, from the 1st to 4th centuries AD. Temples/sites have been found in Rome and Ostia, in the Roman provinces of Mauritania, Britain, the Rhine, and Danube frontier. Like Christianity and Gnosticism, Mithraism appeared in the 1st. century drawing from the same traditions as the other two. While the name is Persian, there seems little evidence of the cult in Persia itself and it is very different from Zoroastrianism. It seems likely to have originated in Asia Minor (Turkey) that was once under Persian control until Alexander the Great. The Persians also influenced Judaism, which is why there might seem some similarity. Greek philosophy and culture was the main influence in Christianity.(All the of Gospels were written in Greek, and Paul, a Hellenized Jew, was from Tarsus in Asia Minor. Most of the Church Fathers were Greeks or cultural Greeks.)

Mithraism was an initiatory order, passed from initiate to initiate, like the Eleusinian Mysteries.(Gnosticism and Christianity did this at first, but were written down.) It was not based on a body of scripture, and hence very little written documentary evidence survives. Soldiers and the lower nobility appeared to be the most plentiful followers of Mithraism. There's some evidence in some locations of the empire women were involved. Recently revealed discrepancies such as these suggest that Mithraic beliefs were (contra the older supposition) not internally consistent and monolithic and varied from location to location. This is the problem with secretive "religions" lacking a written scripture.

We just don't know much. No Mithraic scripture or first-hand written account of its highly secret rituals survives, except perhaps a 4th century papyrus, thought to be "atypical." It likely drew from other traditions or modified them. Current knowledge is almost entirely limited to what can be deduced from surviving iconography. So to say Christianity is somehow Mithraism has no basis in fact. Jesus never butchered any sacred bull.

Some claim Mithraism could have overcome Christianity and we would be "Mithric" today. I disagree. It was too secretive and exclusive for the general masses. Its lack of formal organization and set rituals in writing doomed it to small groups. I've seen little to suggest it spread far in Greek speaking regions where Gnosticism seemed more popular. Why would such a cult appeal to slaves and peasants? When the Roman army disappeared in the 4th Century, so did Mithraism.

[Mithra]

There is also a type of trinity in Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. These are unrelated to the Christians Trinity, a product of Hellenism on Judaism, such as Philo of Alexandria. The Gnostic and Christian Trinities are nearly identical, except the Gnostic Holy Spirit was feminine, the mother of Christ.(Jesus was a spirit in Gnosticism, not flesh.)

Many Christian bashers attempt to meld the Christian Trinity with Mithra, but this is false. To quote,

In Zoroastrianism, Mithra is a member of the trinity of ahuras, protectors of asha/arta, "truth" or "[that which is] right". Mithra's standard appellation is "of wide pastures" suggesting omnipresence. Mithra is "truth-speaking,... with a thousand ears,... with ten thousand eyes, high, with full knowledge, strong, sleepless, and ever awake." (Yasht 10.7). As preserver of covenants, Mithra is also protector and keeper of all aspects of interpersonal relationships, such as friendship and love. Related to his position as protector of truth, Mithra is a judge (ratu), ensuring that individuals who break promises or are not righteous (artavan) are not admitted to paradise.

The original Mithra had nothing to do with God the Father of Judaism/Christianity nor was the original Mithra God at all. The syncretistic' Greeks/Romans had an annoying habit of hijacking other "gods" and making them their own.(See Syncretism) But to further quote,

The name Mithra was adopted by the Greeks and Romans as Mithras, chief figure in the mystery religion of Mithraism. At first identified with the Sun-god Helios by the Greeks, the syncretic Mithra-Helios was transformed into the figure Mithras during the 2nd century BC, probably at Pergamum.(Eastern coast of modern Turkey.) This new cult was taken to Rome around the 1st century BC and was dispersed throughout the Roman Empire.

* The Nicene Creed and the Trinity, another look
* The Nicene Creed and Truth about the Trinity

[awd40]

Is it Obamanomics or Obamunism

[One on One]

awd40 wrote:

Is it Obamanomics or Obamunism

Take your pick! lol

[maybe]

obamamaniacs

[truth]

Mithra wrote:

<quoted text>
Jesus Birth
The Bible gives no date as such for Jesus' birth. It was certainly not December 25. Going by present weather conditions in Israel, it would have been too cold, snowy, the roads a mess, and no sheep in pastures, etc. It would have been late spring or summer, some guess no later than September. The exact date doesn't distract from Jesus' mission, which to quote a Christian, "The essential fact is that God did enflesh Himself in time and space (1 John 4:2). He was born from a woman on a specific day in a specific year, walked among us, died for our sins, was raised from the dead, and ascended into heaven. This is what we celebrate at Christmas: God was (and is) with us!"
Mithra's birthday was December 25 and that was grafted onto Christianity during the 3rd or 4th centuries. While Jesus was born of a women, the birth of Mithra is in no way similar. There's nothing at all about a manger, three magi, etc. Some claimed Mithra was born of a virgin; he wasn't born of a women at all. According to scholars,
In Mithraic Studies it stated that Mithras was born as an adult from solid rock, "wearing his Phrygian cap, issues forth from the rocky mass. As yet only his bare torso is visible. In each hand he raises aloft a lighted torch and, as an unusual detail, red flames shoot out all around him...(Wiki)

Jesus was born around sept. 28 or the 29.he was concived around december 24 or the 25. read your bible .the hebrew bible is a good one to study to get the facts on a lot.

[You are too much]

Pit R Pat R wrote:

<quoted text>I thought he was more into the cocaine.

Funny, I heard that was Bush.

[You are too much]

ur president wrote:

someone please tell me how on earth he won nobel peace prize with only 3 weeks in office? That also comes with a $1million prize. Cant wait to see what he does with the rest of his term if its all to scale...... Not bad for someone with no US birth certificate

You people and your nonsense about his birth certificate. You crack me up. I will say this though. I don't think he deserved that award.