More than 1,000 dead birds fall from sky in Ark

[Churmudgeon]

All through the fifty,s sixty,s , seventies & eighties we cut oak for firewod. that oak was split and I never seen a single boer tunnell let alone a boer. After the Theres life in those dead trees program the boers appeared. Now they are present in almost every tree. you can look at a live tree and see the sap leaking from the boer holes. leaving dead trees and putting out all the wildfires on goverment owned land did indeed allow the boer to flourish. Now they pay to have dead trees emoved and do prescribed burning to remove forest litter. Im afraid its too little to late the hardwood is doomed.

[Nobody really knows]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Of course I wouldn't. I also don't want to see uninformed people take the life away from babies. I am pro-life after all.
Native birds are supposedly protected by law. It says nothing in the MBTA about homeowners chopping down trees being exempt from the law. That's why no trees should be cut down during the nesting season! They are free to cut whatever they want the rest of the year.
If the tree was a hazard, that would be different. It wasn't however. It was way out in their yard next to a huge field. No dangerous powerlines near it. The house was not even close to it. In fact, nobody even lives in the house most of the year. It was the caretakers doing the dirty work.

So I have 80 acres of red oak trees. I will be cutting them in about 2 years. So by law I can only but them certain months. Bull. It's 2 million dollars worth of trees on my land, i'll cut them when I get damn good and ready.

[WARRIOR]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text>Several years ago the Arkansas Game & fish comission started this program aimed at saving dead trees. it was called there is life in those dead trees. As a result the failure to remove dead & diseased trees caused the tree boer to flourish. now 90% of the red & white oak tree,s in the Ozarks are infested with boers. Many thousands are dying every year they have since reversed that wrong idea. clear cuts & prescribed burning is the plan today.I will cut any tree I own at any time I need or want to. Its not feasible to harvest timber in winter when its not nesting seasom. Its too wet to muddy and timber dont saw up good if its very cold. I do harvest cedar in winter It grows on a rocky glade . I cut all the dead & diseased trees at any time of the year.

We have that same problem here in the Sacramento Mountains with our pine tree because the doo gooders want to save the spotted owl. They don't realize by not thinning out the forrest they have sentenced these owls to death because all the underbrush keeps them from finding their food like mice easily. What a joke these people are.

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Two questions.
How do you conclude that cats are "innocent?"
They are a non-native species that does not belong in my yard. And if you think they are "innocent" you must also think coyotes are innocent.
How do you glean I like killing cats by my statement?
The fact is I have never killed a cat. And if I did ever kill a cat, I certainly would not like doing it.
That's why it would be nice to have Churm here.:)

You got me there. No animal is innocent, we all must take from something or someone in order to survive. Can you name me a native species? I can gleen you like cats being killed, am I more correct with that statement? I think of coyotes like you think of cats. I got 3 coyotes yesterday. I have set a trap in my backyard for that bobcat also..

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Really, it is beginning to stink in here. Lets clean this garbage up and move on, shall we?

[Be careful out there]

Two sides wrote:

Really, it is beginning to stink in here. Lets clean this garbage up and move on, shall we?

It's all the rotting carcasses from the dam birds that died two years ago.

[Churmudgeon]

Nobody really knows wrote:

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So I have 80 acres of red oak trees. I will be cutting them in about 2 years. So by law I can only but them certain months. Bull. It's 2 million dollars worth of trees on my land, i'll cut them when I get damn good and ready.

Two million dollars? I suppose a milion dollars dont mean a thing to a liar he can have all the millions he wants. The market for oak grade lumber is almost nonexistant. The tie buyer have the sawmillers on quotas. About all you could sell that 80acres of red oak is for pallett lumber at a very low price. maybe you if your lucky can get $20,000 for it. I do agree you have the right to cut your trees if you so desire.

[Churmudgeon]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>You got me there. No animal is innocent, we all must take from something or someone in order to survive. Can you name me a native species? I can gleen you like cats being killed, am I more correct with that statement? I think of coyotes like you think of cats. I got 3 coyotes yesterday. I have set a trap in my backyard for that bobcat also..

I built a 4 foot square plywood box.I put a 1 inch wire top on it. in the top center I fastend a wire cage 1 foot square and put a rooster in it. on the four sides near the bottom center I cut out a hole 12 inches square. I place a 10 inch body grip trap over those holes. When something that wants chicken dinner comes around they likely first jump on the top and try to get that rooster. they soon find the holes on the side and are caught. Works great for bobcat ,coyotes & racoon. Ive even caught dogs & cats.

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Be careful out there wrote:

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It's all the rotting carcasses from the dam birds that died two years ago.

Yeah. Two years ago. Can we move on? Why are these piles of semi typists still posting on this thread?

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

All through the fifty,s sixty,s , seventies & eighties we cut oak for firewod. that oak was split and I never seen a single boer tunnell let alone a boer. After the Theres life in those dead trees program the boers appeared. Now they are present in almost every tree. you can look at a live tree and see the sap leaking from the boer holes. leaving dead trees and putting out all the wildfires on goverment owned land did indeed allow the boer to flourish. Now they pay to have dead trees emoved and do prescribed burning to remove forest litter. Im afraid its too little to late the hardwood is doomed.

I have never seen a tree that doesn't have borers burrowing in the wood. I'd lay odds that the trees you cut back then did have borer tunnels in them. You just didn't notice. Most young people don't notice detail like that, especially when their mission is to just cut the wood.

"you can look at a live tree and see the sap leaking from the boer holes."
If you look even closer, you can see the sap attracting sap-suckers and numerous other birds that eat it. You can also see hummingbirds feasting on the tiny insects attracted to it. That is the circle of life. Isn't it great?

"leaving dead trees and putting out all the wildfires on goverment owned land did indeed allow the boer to flourish."
Fires (those started by nature, of course) are also part of the circle of life in a forest. It's just as necessary as those dead trees. Eliminate the dead trees and you eliminate a whole lot of insect eating birds.
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2010/mar/21/dead...

http://10000birds.com/cavity-nesting-birds-of...

"Im afraid its too little to late the hardwood is doomed."
No, it isn't. Just because our republic is doomed, doesn't mean Mother Nature is. Nature heals herself. If any insect gets too abundant, it will get weeded out somehow- eventually. The forest floor is covered with oak seedlings and acorns. Another generation of trees will soon replace those that are dead now.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Nobody really knows wrote:

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So I have 80 acres of red oak trees. I will be cutting them in about 2 years. So by law I can only but them certain months. Bull. It's 2 million dollars worth of trees on my land, i'll cut them when I get damn good and ready.

If you are a self-centered greedy bastard.... you probably will.

I have 30 acres Iv'e been considering clear-cutting for some extra cash too. But I will make damn sure that whoever does it does not do it between May and August. Those birds didn't fly thousands of miles from the other side of the equator for nothing you know. They come here for one reason...to make BABIES! I'm not that desperate for money that I can't wait until they are done nesting and the babies have fledged before I clear the land.(this would apply if my land was prairie as well.)

Baby birds are just as important to bird parents as your babies are to you! Or haven't you ever seen the reaction of a Mother bird who just watched her babies get killed. I have and it's heart-wrenching.....if you have a heart.

[Raptor in Michigan]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>We have that same problem here in the Sacramento Mountains with our pine tree because the doo gooders want to save the spotted owl. They don't realize by not thinning out the forrest they have sentenced these owls to death because all the underbrush keeps them from finding their food like mice easily. What a joke these people are.

Some people go overboard with their wanting to save the environment and in reality don't know the first thing about it. Many of them wouldn't even know a Spotted Owl if they seen one. I'm all for conservation and saving owls and everything else, but I educate myself on issues before I make decisions concerning something like that.

Then there's the other side....the one that doesn't give a crap about anything but how much money can be made, regardless of what they hurt.

I fall someplace in the middle.

[Raptor in Michigan]

WARRIOR wrote:

<quoted text>You got me there. No animal is innocent, we all must take from something or someone in order to survive. Can you name me a native species? I can gleen you like cats being killed, am I more correct with that statement? I think of coyotes like you think of cats. I got 3 coyotes yesterday. I have set a trap in my backyard for that bobcat also..

Just ONE native species??? Why certainly. How about the roadrunner? Native to your area and your state bird if memory serves me.

You can glean I do NOT want cats in the wild anywhere on this continent, aside from the native bobcat and cougar. I would prefer housecats all have good indoor homes and families that love them, but reality is they don't. So yes, in order to protect our native wildlife, the alien cats need to be removed from the wild.

[Raptor in Michigan]

Churmudgeon wrote:

<quoted text>Two million dollars? I suppose a milion dollars dont mean a thing to a liar he can have all the millions he wants. The market for oak grade lumber is almost nonexistant. The tie buyer have the sawmillers on quotas. About all you could sell that 80acres of red oak is for pallett lumber at a very low price. maybe you if your lucky can get $20,000 for it. I do agree you have the right to cut your trees if you so desire.

Did God make man sole owner of trees just because he paid money for the land they sit on?

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Holly

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Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Did God make man sole owner of trees just because he paid money for the land they sit on?

Yup. He did.

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Just ONE native species??? Why certainly. How about the roadrunner? Native to your area and your state bird if memory serves me.
You can glean I do NOT want cats in the wild anywhere on this continent, aside from the native bobcat and cougar. I would prefer housecats all have good indoor homes and families that love them, but reality is they don't. So yes, in order to protect our native wildlife, the alien cats need to be removed from the wild.

I am not sure if the Roadrunner was here when this continent was created or not I am sure that the cat was here before you and I ever arrived. But if you want to kill them I have no problem with that either.

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Did God make man sole owner of trees just because he paid money for the land they sit on?

Yes he did, over the trees, land and animals.

[WARRIOR]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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I have never seen a tree that doesn't have borers burrowing in the wood. I'd lay odds that the trees you cut back then did have borer tunnels in them. You just didn't notice. Most young people don't notice detail like that, especially when their mission is to just cut the wood.
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I have seen many and they do exist today just not as many as before..

[Churmudgeon]

Raptor in Michigan wrote:

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Did God make man sole owner of trees just because he paid money for the land they sit on?

Here in the USA where we have a Republic god dont get a say so. The US counstition & laws of the land apply. So the person who paid the money is indeed the sole owner. and that sole owners counstitional rights cannott be overridden by the wishes & wants of the many. I may not agreee with a lot of things people do but I would fight to defend their counstitional & god given right to do them. A example would be to divide up a farm into a subdivision.