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Redd

United States

#20301 Jan 5, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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A simple honest and sincere question. How does the people the democratic party demonize hold the middle class down? I truly don't understand how someone could believe such a claim. If Mitt Romney, Warren Buffet, Al Gore, George Bush, or whomever makes billions of dollars per year do you really think that somehow it reduces the chances of you succeeding? Does it rob them of the opportunity to succeed? Take Sam Walton for example. He was certainly not always wealthy. How did he overcome the "oppressors" in this country if he wasn't in that group already? Do you really think that all, or even most, of the people struggling in this country is the fault of someone they don't even know who makes billions per year? Do you think that there is 0 hope for someone to overcome a bad life to be the next tycoon of whatever industry. If you think there is a chance then you must see and admit that the wealthy don't have as much to do with a person's success or failure in life as the person themselves. Reading your posts I am more convinced that you and I are not that far apart in our views but rather who is responsible for our success and failuers as a society is where we differ. I look at my life and I can pick out countless opportunities that I missed because of my decisions. It was never because of some Wall Street big wig was making an obscene salary that caused me to miss those opportunities. It was me. But you know what, I decided somewhere that I couldn't keep living like I was living or my situation would never change so I changed my priorities, my work ethic, my drive, my purpose, and my situation soon changed. Now I see opportunities and they don't get away from me. As a result, my life is in a very good place and getting better all the time. A person's decisions in life compound in whatever direction that person chooses and that can be good or bad but it's ultimately up to the person and noone can change that. Government intervention in our lives can make that process easier or harder. The more government control of our lives we have, the harder that road to success becomes.
Simple, although abuse abounds,(but name me a institution where it doesn't) Republicans have, tried to destroy, since it's inception, at every opportunity, organized labor...have tried to mollify any sensible workplace safety regulations...have fought any environmental policies, clean air, water acts...any responsibility in the welfare of it's workers, any minimum wage standards, while doing everything possible to aid the captains of industry and their interests.

And still do.
Old Army

Vilonia, AR

#20302 Jan 5, 2013
Redd wrote:
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Simple, although abuse abounds,(but name me a institution where it doesn't) Republicans have, tried to destroy, since it's inception, at every opportunity, organized labor...have tried to mollify any sensible workplace safety regulations...have fought any environmental policies, clean air, water acts...any responsibility in the welfare of it's workers, any minimum wage standards, while doing everything possible to aid the captains of industry and their interests.
And still do.
That's not true.
Old Army

Vilonia, AR

#20303 Jan 5, 2013
Wife of Old Army wrote:
<quoted text> Believe me; it ain't that big.
Dern, now I'm guilty of bigamy, with a fkn ho at that.
Reality Check

United States

#20304 Jan 5, 2013
Redd wrote:
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Simple, although abuse abounds,(but name me a institution where it doesn't) Republicans have, tried to destroy, since it's inception, at every opportunity, organized labor...have tried to mollify any sensible workplace safety regulations...have fought any environmental policies, clean air, water acts...any responsibility in the welfare of it's workers, any minimum wage standards, while doing everything possible to aid the captains of industry and their interests.
And still do.
Do you not agree that some workplace regulations need to be reduced or eased in leiu of common sense? The same goes for environmental regulations. I'm not saying that we should have no regulation but the regulation shouldn't choke out an industry either. I'm not sure where you got that republicans are the ones that are negating any responsibility of welfare recipients. Ironically, I am in the process of studying the argument that minimum wage is harmful and repressive so I can't comment on that. But again, whether or not they are beholden to this or that industry, that still doesn't affect someone who wants to succeed and is willing to do what it takes and be disciplined and not careless in their dicisions. It does however affect everyone that works and pays federal income taxes when over half the population is allowed on social welfare programs and not expected to pay those federal income taxes.
Redd

United States

#20305 Jan 5, 2013
Old Army wrote:
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That's not true.
With the exception of Teddy Roosevelt, the first true Progressive, that is the profile of most Republican administrations.
Redd

United States

#20306 Jan 5, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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Do you not agree that some workplace regulations need to be reduced or eased in leiu of common sense? The same goes for environmental regulations. I'm not saying that we should have no regulation but the regulation shouldn't choke out an industry either. I'm not sure where you got that republicans are the ones that are negating any responsibility of welfare recipients. Ironically, I am in the process of studying the argument that minimum wage is harmful and repressive so I can't comment on that. But again, whether or not they are beholden to this or that industry, that still doesn't affect someone who wants to succeed and is willing to do what it takes and be disciplined and not careless in their dicisions. It does however affect everyone that works and pays federal income taxes when over half the population is allowed on social welfare programs and not expected to pay those federal income taxes.
I don't think I mentioned welfare recipients, there was a reason that I didn't, don't you think?
Old Army

Vilonia, AR

#20307 Jan 5, 2013
Redd wrote:
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With the exception of Teddy Roosevelt, the first true Progressive, that is the profile of most Republican administrations.
That's not true either.
Redd

United States

#20308 Jan 5, 2013
Old Army wrote:
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That's not true either.
Prove it.
Reality Check

Camden, AR

#20309 Jan 5, 2013
Redd wrote:
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I don't think I mentioned welfare recipients, there was a reason that I didn't, don't you think?
After reading it again, it makes sense why it didn't make sense. Sorry.
Old Army

Vilonia, AR

#20310 Jan 5, 2013
Redd wrote:
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Prove it.
You first. You're the one that made a blanket statement about Republicans that you know is not true.
Fallacious at Best

Greenville, SC

#20311 Jan 5, 2013
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Reality Check wrote:
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I don't like working my tail off only to see my hard earned money go to those that work the system... When people choose welfare over working for a living, something is wrong with the social welfare system... women having children for more income.... tell them to act crazy to get an SSI check ...people wasting food stamp money on luxury items such as lobster... When you have waste and abuse of programs like this then the system is broken and needs to be fixed... No person should have to work 2-3 jobs making minimum wage only to have someone that doesn't even work make more than they do. It's wrong and immoral.
I get your frustration, but you make so many unsupported & judgmental assertions I wonder if they are factual or just perceptual. The real problem lies not so much in the welfare system as in the disparity & bureaucracy that underpins our current economic system (esp. in places like AR where the min. wage is 4th lowest in the nation). I would wager that no one comes of age dreaming of the day when s/he can finally qualify for a few hundred $ worth of food stamps or similar benefits. Given the oppt'y, reasonable individuals prefer to (at min) earn a living wage, & (at best) earn enough to indulge some of their wants as well as their basic needs. I have occasionally contemplated returning to El Dorado. Imagine my shock when routine searches turn up jobs that I know will barely keep my head above water. I have seen announcements for jobs that require, college degrees, special skills, several years of work experience, etc. and pay in the neighborhood of $1,500 to $2,000/mo. Adjusting for taxes, rent/mortgage, utilities, car payment, home/auto/med insurance, fuel, childcare, groceries, work wardrobe, etc., the worker-- no matter how motivated or well-intended-- will likely end up in the red. Factor in intangibles like reduced discretionary time, personal stress, cronyism, nepotism,'good ol' boy', and other office politics, and it's not an attractive proposition. Regardless of one's personal value system, it is very disheartening to give it your all 40+ hrs/week, and STILL not be able to make ends meet. When one considers that so many of the jobs in El Dorado are not even F/T, the picture is gloomier still. From such a perspective, it's not so hard to understand why some SETTLE for social welfare benefits. I know people who lost their jobs in the recession and were treated like scum because they dared to claim unemployment benefits for which they'd paid into 'the system' for 20-25 yrs. Imagine going from earning six or eight grand/mo to receiving $300-$400/wk that won't even cover your house payment, all the while having presumptuous people look down their noses at you for being "lazy, trifling and shiftless'. Imagine facing the dilemma of accepting or rejecting the first low-paying job that comes along, knowing it will both render you unavailable to look for more suitable work, skew your salary history, and ensure that you won't be able to meet your current expenses that were based on a substantially higher income. As far as disability goes, it takes a lot of players to scam that system. Perhaps we should reserve some of our vitriol for the doctors and lawyers who profit from encouraging and supporting fraudulent claims as well as the obviously inept administrators who approve them. What is "wrong and immoral" is that ANYONE should HAVE to work 2-3 jobs at all. Some of this is attributable to employers who also game the system by hiring only P/T workers to avoid providing benefits, paying certain workers (like wait staff) a fraction of the minimum wage, encouraging high turnover in low-skilled jobs to keep certain costs down, etc. These "broken" social welfare programs underwrite their bottom line by lowering their costs of doing business. As a business owner, I would hope that your concern is an indication that you are part of the solution and not the problem. Best.
Change

Batesville, AR

#20312 Jan 5, 2013
Think ill puke wrote:
<quoted text> We are not California, queer.
Ah, personal insults! the last bastion of the bitter and ignorant. Believe me, no one is mistaking this place for California. You see in California they are open minded, educated and pay in more taxes then they take out. The President himself once said very insightfully "when faced with change people hold on tightly to religion and guns". You see the majority of Americans re-soundly rejected your archaic beliefs. The majority of people in this Country have said "we want change, we want to join the world community". No longer will the close minded and superstitious call the shots. President Obama has made it quite clear that America will play by UN rules. He is a great man leading this Nation to the light. Have you ever noticed that not once has he ever said "sovereign nation" when referring to America? he understands that this Country is part of the global community. Do a little research, UN peace keeping troops are currently running drills in Colorado and South Carolina. For years other Nations have had to live with American troops on their soil, why shouldn't you play by the same rules?



Rather then stick your head deeper in the sand why not try and educate yourself? the Center for accountability in media listed Barack Obama as the most liberal Senator (a compliment) 2 years in a row. The Rand Corporation think tank named him the most progressive Senator ever (a massive compliment). And how did the American public process this information? they elected him President, twice. Still want to tell me how things won't change? my poor uninformed friend, the ice is melting all around you. The old America with it's have and have not's, with it's hands in everyone's business and with an armed violent public is gone, and it's never coming back. The new America that is a tenant of this planet, no better no worse, one that gives it's fair share and takes care of people is just being born. It is my feeling that President Brack Obama will go down as one of the greatest Americans ever.
Redd

United States

#20313 Jan 5, 2013
Old Army wrote:
<quoted text>
You first. You're the one that made a blanket statement about Republicans that you know is not true.
How did I know, in advance, what your response would be.

Two years experience reading your posts.
Old Army

Vilonia, AR

#20314 Jan 5, 2013
Fallacious at Best wrote:
[<quoted text>
I get your frustration, but you make so many unsupported & judgmental assertions I wonder if they are factual or just perceptual. The real problem lies not so much in the welfare system as in the disparity & bureaucracy that underpins our current economic system (esp. in places like AR where the min. wage is 4th lowest in the nation). I would wager that no one comes of age dreaming of the day when s/he can finally qualify for a few hundred $ worth of food stamps or similar benefits. Given the oppt'y, reasonable individuals prefer to (at min) earn a living wage, & (at best) earn enough to indulge some of their wants as well as their basic needs. I have occasionally contemplated returning to El Dorado. Imagine my shock when routine searches turn up jobs that I know will barely keep my head above water. I have seen announcements for jobs that require, college degrees, special skills, several years of work experience, etc. and pay in the neighborhood of $1,500 to $2,000/mo. Adjusting for taxes, rent/mortgage, utilities, car payment, home/auto/med insurance, fuel, childcare, groceries, work wardrobe, etc., the worker-- no matter how motivated or well-intended-- will likely end up in the red. Factor in intangibles like reduced discretionary time, personal stress, cronyism, nepotism,'good ol' boy', and other office politics, and it's not an attractive proposition. Regardless of one's personal value system, it is very disheartening to give it your all 40+ hrs/week, and STILL not be able to make ends meet. When one considers that so many of the jobs in El Dorado are not even F/T, the picture is gloomier still. From such a perspective, it's not so hard to understand why some SETTLE for social welfare benefits. I know people who lost their jobs in the recession and were treated like scum because they dared to claim unemployment benefits for which they'd paid into 'the system' for 20-25 yrs. Imagine going from earning six or eight grand/mo to receiving $300-$400/wk that won't even cover your house payment, all the while having presumptuous people look down their noses at you for being "lazy, trifling and shiftless'. Imagine facing the dilemma of accepting or rejecting the first low-paying job that comes along, knowing it will both render you unavailable to look for more suitable work, skew your salary history, and ensure that you won't be able to meet your current expenses that were based on a substantially higher income. As far as disability goes, it takes a lot of players to scam that system. Perhaps we should reserve some of our vitriol for the doctors and lawyers who profit from encouraging and supporting fraudulent claims as well as the obviously inept administrators who approve them. What is "wrong and immoral" is that ANYONE should HAVE to work 2-3 jobs at all. Some of this is attributable to employers who also game the system by hiring only P/T workers to avoid providing benefits, paying certain workers (like wait staff) a fraction of the minimum wage, encouraging high turnover in low-skilled jobs to keep certain costs down, etc. These "broken" social welfare programs underwrite their bottom line by lowering their costs of doing business. As a business owner, I would hope that your concern is an indication that you are part of the solution and not the problem. Best.
I didn't think anyone other than "Change" from Batesville could make "Dont know nothin" look like a genius, but I was wrong. You are dumber than a stump. Keep up the good work Redd.
Old Army

Vilonia, AR

#20315 Jan 5, 2013
Fallacious at Best wrote:
[<quoted text>
I get your frustration, but you make so many unsupported & judgmental assertions I wonder if they are factual or just perceptual. The real problem lies not so much in the welfare system as in the disparity & bureaucracy that underpins our current economic system (esp. in places like AR where the min. wage is 4th lowest in the nation). I would wager that no one comes of age dreaming of the day when s/he can finally qualify for a few hundred $ worth of food stamps or similar benefits. Given the oppt'y, reasonable individuals prefer to (at min) earn a living wage, & (at best) earn enough to indulge some of their wants as well as their basic needs. I have occasionally contemplated returning to El Dorado. Imagine my shock when routine searches turn up jobs that I know will barely keep my head above water. I have seen announcements for jobs that require, college degrees, special skills, several years of work experience, etc. and pay in the neighborhood of $1,500 to $2,000/mo. Adjusting for taxes, rent/mortgage, utilities, car payment, home/auto/med insurance, fuel, childcare, groceries, work wardrobe, etc., the worker-- no matter how motivated or well-intended-- will likely end up in the red. Factor in intangibles like reduced discretionary time, personal stress, cronyism, nepotism,'good ol' boy', and other office politics, and it's not an attractive proposition. Regardless of one's personal value system, it is very disheartening to give it your all 40+ hrs/week, and STILL not be able to make ends meet. When one considers that so many of the jobs in El Dorado are not even F/T, the picture is gloomier still. From such a perspective, it's not so hard to understand why some SETTLE for social welfare benefits. I know people who lost their jobs in the recession and were treated like scum because they dared to claim unemployment benefits for which they'd paid into 'the system' for 20-25 yrs. Imagine going from earning six or eight grand/mo to receiving $300-$400/wk that won't even cover your house payment, all the while having presumptuous people look down their noses at you for being "lazy, trifling and shiftless'. Imagine facing the dilemma of accepting or rejecting the first low-paying job that comes along, knowing it will both render you unavailable to look for more suitable work, skew your salary history, and ensure that you won't be able to meet your current expenses that were based on a substantially higher income. As far as disability goes, it takes a lot of players to scam that system. Perhaps we should reserve some of our vitriol for the doctors and lawyers who profit from encouraging and supporting fraudulent claims as well as the obviously inept administrators who approve them. What is "wrong and immoral" is that ANYONE should HAVE to work 2-3 jobs at all. Some of this is attributable to employers who also game the system by hiring only P/T workers to avoid providing benefits, paying certain workers (like wait staff) a fraction of the minimum wage, encouraging high turnover in low-skilled jobs to keep certain costs down, etc. These "broken" social welfare programs underwrite their bottom line by lowering their costs of doing business. As a business owner, I would hope that your concern is an indication that you are part of the solution and not the problem. Best.
No Nothin.
Redd

United States

#20318 Jan 5, 2013
Old Army wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't think anyone other than "Change" from Batesville could make "Dont know nothin" look like a genius, but I was wrong. You are dumber than a stump. Keep up the good work Redd.
You are the most un-opinionated, opinionated SB on here, gotta give you credit though, you're consistent.

What you think of the new staff at the UofA?
Redd

United States

#20319 Jan 5, 2013
a proud american wrote:
Anybody on here with me, the guy from france can go home and if he's living here on a ten year expired visa, he's got no business here. After all he doesn't respect our constitiution and our second amendment right. He needs to leave our country and quit draining our system
He's probably from Goobertown rather than France.

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Guest

United States

#20320 Jan 5, 2013
Change wrote:
<quoted text>
Ah, personal insults! the last bastion of the bitter and ignorant. Believe me, no one is mistaking this place for California. You see in California they are open minded, educated and pay in more taxes then they take out. The President himself once said very insightfully "when faced with change people hold on tightly to religion and guns". You see the majority of Americans re-soundly rejected your archaic beliefs. The majority of people in this Country have said "we want change, we want to join the world community". No longer will the close minded and superstitious call the shots. President Obama has made it quite clear that America will play by UN rules. He is a great man leading this Nation to the light. Have you ever noticed that not once has he ever said "sovereign nation" when referring to America? he understands that this Country is part of the global community. Do a little research, UN peace keeping troops are currently running drills in Colorado and South Carolina. For years other Nations have had to live with American troops on their soil, why shouldn't you play by the same rules?
Rather then stick your head deeper in the sand why not try and educate yourself? the Center for accountability in media listed Barack Obama as the most liberal Senator (a compliment) 2 years in a row. The Rand Corporation think tank named him the most progressive Senator ever (a massive compliment). And how did the American public process this information? they elected him President, twice. Still want to tell me how things won't change? my poor uninformed friend, the ice is melting all around you. The old America with it's have and have not's, with it's hands in everyone's business and with an armed violent public is gone, and it's never coming back. The new America that is a tenant of this planet, no better no worse, one that gives it's fair share and takes care of people is just being born. It is my feeling that President Brack Obama will go down as one of the greatest Americans ever.
Didn't your socialist professors warn you about speaking in absolutes?

You and Obama have two things in common, it seems; both are arrogant and homosexuals.

As to my America melting around me, I hope if that's true, you remain here long enough to drown.

Until then, consider going back to California.
Change

Batesville, AR

#20321 Jan 5, 2013
a proud american wrote:
Anybody on here with me, the guy from france can go home and if he's living here on a ten year expired visa, he's got no business here. After all he doesn't respect our constitiution and our second amendment right. He needs to leave our country and quit draining our system
Do you have comprehension issues? you make this about me. Did you forget that over 52% of Americans agree. Did Obama win with 5% of the vote? wake up. Another point you can't seem to grasp, I said that since 2008 I love this Country. Do you think I'm trying to change it? I'm flattered, honestly. No my friend the President is changing it and the MAJORITY of Americans are with him. Why do you make this about me? I am very proud to be living here, I feel like I'm here for the rebirth of America. Since 2008 America has become very popular amongst the youth of Europe, people welcome this great land to the party. When I saw the news footage of UN peacekeeping troops drilling on American soil along side American troops my heart was full. President Obama traveled to Europe and apologized for American past behavior and the room erupted, louder cheers then any rock concert could dream of making. You are very very wrong, I love this Country! I talk with friends and family overseas and tell them about the changes going on here. It is a very exciting time. The UN is now again relevent and I give 100% credit to President Obama and Secretary Clinton (the next President).
Redd

United States

#20323 Jan 5, 2013
Change wrote:
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Ah, personal insults! the last bastion of the bitter and ignorant. Believe me, no one is mistaking this place for California. You see in California they are open minded, educated and pay in more taxes then they take out.
Blah, blah, blah, blah
that is a tenant of this planet, no better no worse, one that gives it's fair share and takes care of people is just being born. It is my feeling that President Brack Obama will go down as one of the greatest Americans ever.
You sound remarkably like Truth's post# 16279 out of a Batesville ISP...only now playing a liberal instead of a conservative so many times back then.
#16279
"Explain how the wealthy took from you? Obama's plan of class/race warfare is truly coming to fruition. Divide and conquer! the same rules that apply to me apply to you. Your lot in life is 100% a result of the decisions you have made. Don't blame Romney, don't blame Bush, don't blame Bill Gates. If you don't have the brains, balls or work ethic to grab your piece of the American pie it's on you. When did becoming a success become a bad thing? it's pitiful, in the 50's the Democratic party was the party of labor. It was a party that gave workers a platform before OSHA came around. Now it's the party of whiny needy children afraid of a little sweat. They depend on people dependent on them. It is widely known that your politics are genetic, if your father was a Republican odds are so are you. Let's talk about a dirty little FACT that no one wants to talk about? up until the 80's the Democratic party was uber strong in the south, why is that? simple, the Republicans were the party of the North. The GOP freed the slaves. Now over time the vast majority of heterosexual white males have the the Democratic party in the South. The New York Times ran an article in 2008 calling White Heterosexual males in the South who considered themselves a Democrat "virtually extinct". If you are White, Straight and believe in God the Democratic party has nothing to offer you. So sit there and bash Romney's wealth all you want, make Republicans out to be the devil. Just realize that Liberals in NY, LA, Chicago or any major metropolis want nothing to do with you. They consider you Redneck, White trash NASCAR watching goons. You're pouring support behind people that despise you."

Aren't you special.... and so smart.

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