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Speaking of Bush, I should throw this in as well..........
The country was bleeding jobs at a rate not seen since the Great Depression — 818,000 jobs lost in January 2009 alone.(All before Obama took office on the 20th — the BLS measures payrolls as of the week containing the 12th day of the month.) All told, the economy had lost nearly 4.5 million jobs in the year before Obama became president.
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In stark contrast to the jobs market, the stock market has recovered much faster under Obama. The markets had gone into a nose dive in October 2007, triggered by the collapse of the housing bubble and the subsequent banking crisis. They continued to plunge during the worst economic recession since the Great Depression, which began in December 2007. Unlike the job market, stocks had nearly hit bottom by the time Obama took office, and they started to rise soon after.
Since January 20, 2009, the Dow Jones Industrial Average is up 70 percent, the Standard & Poor’s 500 index is up 81 percent, and the NASDAQ composite index (heavy with tech stocks) is up 119 percent. Although none has quite regained the historic highs reached in 2007, the gains have brightened the retirement prospects of millions of Americans who invest through 401(k) and similar tax-deferred plans, compared with the dark days of early 2009.
And the stock market is making how much money for the middle class? Your McD stock might earn you a dividend, but then you want to tax it at a higher rate, but really you need to filtering deep fryers and cut and paste items that you know something about. We will wait while you try to find something that you actually comprehend.
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I'm sorry you must have read the wrong post. Nothing you said applied to my post. I would though, like a response, if you have one. I have been trying to find answers to the questions I asked you for a long time. Every liberal that answers seems to go from one talking point to another without answering anything. If you plan to do the same thing, please let me know so I can quit wasting my time. The questions I asked you and others are fair and legitimate. Heck, I will even take "I don't want to answer that" as your answer. At least that way I will know you either don't have an answer or you know you are on the wrong side of those issues. Look, I'm not running you or anyone else down, I even gave the Democrats credit where credit is due in that they ARE more passionate about their cause and they do know how to shape the argument on social issues in their favor with voters. All I want is for some liberal to give me forcasted statistics that will explain how and when America will succeed with their policies. I know it can't be done, I just want someone to try because we will have time to see how it plays out. So lets see it. BTW I never said that I was one of the ultra wealthy because I'm not. I would like to see what it is like to be one of the ultra wealthy, and maybe someday after Obama is gone (if he ever leaves office), I will.
look if you would ask some factual based questions that make sense instead of conspiracy theories thrown out there by the right wing social media then they might be worth answering but ... you have yet to do so ... if you look over time republicans decrease job growth with rare exceptions such as reagan... we have tried bush's way for 12 years now, as far as taxes are concerend, and how has that worked out?...you were sticking up for the greedy people by yes defending their tax rates... ya know if someone pays in 5,000 a year in federal and state income taxes ... do you get all of that money back?... NO ... so for everyone saying that middle and low income earners pay little to no income taxes is False!!!...they only take that into consideration the amount of dollars that are paid in... when you look at someone making 50 million dollars and they pay 15 percent and your only making 50000 a year and paying 40 percent then something is wrong with that picture.... period.... don't try to tell me it's not because your not one of the 50million dollar income earners so you do not have to prove anything to me so why do you think this is so wrong that they pay their fair share of taxes when the country is in need?... millionaires over the decades have paid millions of dollars in extra contributions when the country was in need... and i applaud them for that .. but when bush gets in here suddenly we are all on our own and we are going to war with no way to pay for it and no plan too? what's wrong with this picture?... ignorance ...so quit defending a party who is at complete odds with itself and there are many republicans that beleive the same thing just too afraid to switch parties because they are making mad money from all of the special interest donations on their side of the isle...so don't play quoy with igsignificant facts... learn how the tax system works and how it is supposed to be designed to help everyone... you give millionairs or other people an option to pay taxes and i garuntee nooone would.. then what ... no elected officials.. no appointed officials... no pollice, firefighters, school teachers, no roads, bridges, sidewalks, federal courts or prisons? i mean what kind of caos do you republicans want?..... quit trying to change the policies and entitlements that have helped this country grow and work on fixing the bad ones ... that's what the democrats do and that's what any elected official should do
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First off, I am not a Republican, nor would I ever be. I am proudly an independent. Nobody said greed and ignorance have a place but lets not pretend they don't exist. It should not be up to the government to police work ethic and success. People who get free money end up just like stray cats that people start to feed. After a while those cats stop hunting for themselves because they know there are free daily meal(s). They simply show up and eat. Obviously, there are those that will break the mold but the percentage gets smaller the longer the free meal is given. It's called the path of least resistance and there is not a living creature that is immune to it.
if the government did not take the place of policing that then who would?... and your analogy with the stray cats is completely false ... i agree with repubs push to make everyone do drug tests that receive welfare because those abusers ultimatley abuse everything and make everyone seem bad that run into hard times instead of pushing themseleves to get off welfare... so cannot classify a few bad apples as the whole bunch
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dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>look if you would ask some factual based questions that make sense instead of conspiracy theories thrown out there by the right wing social media then they might be worth answering but ... you have yet to do so ... if you look over time republicans decrease job growth with rare exceptions such as reagan... we have tried bush's way for 12 years now, as far as taxes are concerend, and how has that worked out?...you were sticking up for the greedy people by yes defending their tax rates... ya know if someone pays in 5,000 a year in federal and state income taxes ... do you get all of that money back?... NO ... so for everyone saying that middle and low income earners pay little to no income taxes is False!!!...they only take that into consideration the amount of dollars that are paid in... when you look at someone making 50 million dollars and they pay 15 percent and your only making 50000 a year and paying 40 percent then something is wrong with that picture.... period.... don't try to tell me it's not because your not one of the 50million dollar income earners so you do not have to prove anything to me so why do you think this is so wrong that they pay their fair share of taxes when the country is in need?... millionaires over the decades have paid millions of dollars in extra contributions when the country was in need... and i applaud them for that .. but when bush gets in here suddenly we are all on our own and we are going to war with no way to pay for it and no plan too? what's wrong with this picture?... ignorance ...so quit defending a party who is at complete odds with itself and there are many republicans that beleive the same thing just too afraid to switch parties because they are making mad money from all of the special interest donations on their side of the isle...so don't play quoy with igsignificant facts... learn how the tax system works and how it is supposed to be designed to help everyone... you give millionairs or other people an option to pay taxes and i garuntee nooone would.. then what ... no elected officials.. no appointed officials... no pollice, firefighters, school teachers, no roads, bridges, sidewalks, federal courts or prisons? i mean what kind of caos do you republicans want?..... quit trying to change the policies and entitlements that have helped this country grow and work on fixing the bad ones ... that's what the democrats do and that's what any elected official should do
Did you read any of your post, if not, don't bother. Rush to your accountant and ask how you are paying 40% tax on $ 50,000 income.
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dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>if the government did not take the place of policing that then who would?... and your analogy with the stray cats is completely false ... i agree with repubs push to make everyone do drug tests that receive welfare because those abusers ultimatley abuse everything and make everyone seem bad that run into hard times instead of pushing themseleves to get off welfare... so cannot classify a few bad apples as the whole bunch
I know what you mean, 98% of the Democrats are making the rest of us look bad.
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No I didnt Vote Today,,maybe someone should make a interesting Topic to vote on?
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<quoted text>you bring up Reagan, you just can't bring up Obama, can't get much lower. Most economist during Clinton's years were comparing his administration to the roaring 20's and most saw the bust that was coming.
BS

Anyone with a brain could see that many Tech stocks were not backed by any sound or normal infrastructure, if those that gambled on a bank of computers making them a fortune long term, they were DA's.
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Did you read any of your post, if not, don't bother. Rush to your accountant and ask how you are paying 40% tax on $ 50,000 income.
ok so i embelished... 25% still higher than 15%.... tax loopholes and exemptions for the rich should be closed it's not fair for people to manipulate the tax system when they should be paying 35% in taxes to where they are actually paying what people in the 0 to 34,000 dollar bracket which is anywhere from 0 to 15%. that is not how the tax system is supposed to work.then you have peolpe saying that they will make sure their businesses make under 250,000 dollars so they don't have to pay higher taxes?... we have a marginal tax rate system in this country which allows those poeple to be taxed at the same rate as the current tax code up too that amount and only have to pay a higher percentage over that amount...what ignorance.

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And the stock market is making how much money for the middle class? Your McD stock might earn you a dividend, but then you want to tax it at a higher rate, but really you need to filtering deep fryers and cut and paste items that you know something about. We will wait while you try to find something that you actually comprehend.
The stock market is doing just fine, and so are the middle class' 401k's and IRA's, which are TAX DEFERRED, by the way, that have invested in the Stock Market.

Now what is your next ignorant remark?


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Obama's Soviet Mistake
Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote. Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.

After Obama was elected in his first term as president the then Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in January of 2009. Ignored by the West as usual, Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to help the world economy and saying the world should avoid the Soviet mistake.

Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.

Putin said regarding the military,

"...instead of solving the problem, militarization pushes it to a deeper level. It draws away from the economy immense financial and material resources, which could have been used much more efficiently elsewhere."

Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O'bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like "fast and furious" and there is still no sign of ending it. He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion.

Reading Putin's speech without knowing the author, one would think it was written by Reagan or another conservative in America. The speech promotes smaller government and less taxes. It comes as no surprise to those who know Putin as a conservative. Vladimir Putin went on to say:

"...we are reducing taxes on production, investing money in the economy. We are optimizing state expenses.

The second possible mistake would be excessive interference into the economic life of the country and the absolute faith into the all-mightiness of the state.

There are no grounds to suggest that by putting the responsibility over to the state, one can achieve better results.

Unreasonable expansion of the budget deficit, accumulation of the national debt - are as destructive as an adventurous stock market game.

During the time of the Soviet Union the role of the state in economy was made absolute, which eventually lead to the total non-competitiveness of the economy. That lesson cost us very dearly. I am sure no one would want history to repeat itself."
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President Vladimir Putin could never have imagined anyone so ignorant or so willing to destroy their people like Obama much less seeing millions vote for someone like Obama. They read history in America don't they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents. Obama has bailed out those businesses that voted for him and increased the debt to over 16 trillion with an ever increasing unemployment rate especially among blacks and other minorities. All the while promoting his agenda.

"We must seek support in the moral values that have ensured the progress of our civilization. Honesty and hard work, responsibility and faith in our strength are bound to bring us success."- Vladimir Putin

The red, white and blue still flies happily but only in Russia. Russia still has St George defeating the Dragon with the symbol of the cross on its' flag. The ACLU and other atheist groups in America would never allow the US flag with such religious symbols. Lawsuits a plenty against religious freedom and expression in the land of the free. Christianity in the U.S. is under attack as it was during the early period of the Soviet Union when religious symbols were against the law.

Let's give American voters the benefit of the doubt and say it was all voter fraud and not ignorance or stupidity in electing a man who does not even know what to do and refuses help from Russia when there was an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Instead we'll say it's true that the Communists usage of electronic voting was just a plan to manipulate the vote. Soros and his ownership of the company that counts the US votes in Spain helped put their puppet in power in the White House. According to the Huffington Post, residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the Unites States. We'll say that these Americans are hostages to the Communists in power. How long will their government reign tyranny upon them?

Russia lost its' civil war with the Reds and millions suffered torture and death for almost 75 years under the tyranny of the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Russians survived with a new and stronger faith in God and ever growing Christian Church. The question is how long will the once "Land of the Free" remain the United Socialist States of America? Their suffering has only begun.

Pravda
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for comrad barney II wrote:
Obama's Soviet Mistake
Putin in 2009 outlined his strategy for economic success. Alas, poor Obama did the opposite but nevertheless was re-elected. Bye, bye Miss American Pie. The Communists have won in America with Obama but failed miserably in Russia with Zyuganov who only received 17% of the vote. Vladimir Putin was re-elected as President keeping the NWO order out of Russia while America continues to repeat the Soviet mistake.
After Obama was elected in his first term as president the then Prime Minister of Russia, Vladimir Putin gave a speech at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland in January of 2009. Ignored by the West as usual, Putin gave insightful and helpful advice to help the world economy and saying the world should avoid the Soviet mistake.
Recently, Obama has been re-elected for a 2nd term by an illiterate society and he is ready to continue his lies of less taxes while he raises them. He gives speeches of peace and love in the world while he promotes wars as he did in Egypt, Libya and Syria. He plans his next war is with Iran as he fires or demotes his generals who get in the way.
Putin said regarding the military,
"...instead of solving the problem, militarization pushes it to a deeper level. It draws away from the economy immense financial and material resources, which could have been used much more efficiently elsewhere."
Well, any normal individual understands that as true but liberalism is a psychosis . O'bomber even keeps the war going along the Mexican border with projects like "fast and furious" and there is still no sign of ending it. He is a Communist without question promoting the Communist Manifesto without calling it so. How shrewd he is in America. His cult of personality mesmerizes those who cannot go beyond their ignorance. They will continue to follow him like those fools who still praise Lenin and Stalin in Russia. Obama's fools and Stalin's fools share the same drink of illusion.
Reading Putin's speech without knowing the author, one would think it was written by Reagan or another conservative in America. The speech promotes smaller government and less taxes. It comes as no surprise to those who know Putin as a conservative. Vladimir Putin went on to say:
"...we are reducing taxes on production, investing money in the economy. We are optimizing state expenses.
The second possible mistake would be excessive interference into the economic life of the country and the absolute faith into the all-mightiness of the state.
There are no grounds to suggest that by putting the responsibility over to the state, one can achieve better results.
Unreasonable expansion of the budget deficit, accumulation of the national debt - are as destructive as an adventurous stock market game.
During the time of the Soviet Union the role of the state in economy was made absolute, which eventually lead to the total non-competitiveness of the economy. That lesson cost us very dearly. I am sure no one would want history to repeat itself."
what right wing nut came up with this article?.. post the name of the writer lol probably to embarrassed and i don't blame you .
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dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>what right wing nut came up with this article?.. post the name of the writer lol probably to embarrassed and i don't blame you .
Pravda, fool, the Russian paper. Can you google, or do you just sit in your own waste and drool.
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Pravda, fool, the Russian paper. Can you google, or do you just sit in your own waste and drool.
lol yah i saw that but i thought it was a joke i mean you can't have independant journelist voicing their own credible opinions on something because it was and still is controlled by Communist Party of the Russian Federation... so of course they are going to say stupid stuff llike that and of course they will pay their government so they can say stuff like that in a national newspaper that was printing everyday and now is down to only 3 prints per week... of course they will try to fear monger over there just like they do here i'm guessing it's almost impossible to escape republican i mean communist rule... lol take it with fact for what you will but i can tell you that it is not fact.. and that you would probably have a better time understanding them than fox news which has already went to court for lieing but ... of course russia wouldn't do that to provda.. and why should they they're being paid by the corporation.
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<quoted text>ok so i embelished... 25% still higher than 15%.... tax loopholes and exemptions for the rich should be closed it's not fair for people to manipulate the tax system when they should be paying 35% in taxes to where they are actually paying what people in the 0 to 34,000 dollar bracket which is anywhere from 0 to 15%. that is not how the tax system is supposed to work.then you have peolpe saying that they will make sure their businesses make under 250,000 dollars so they don't have to pay higher taxes?... we have a marginal tax rate system in this country which allows those poeple to be taxed at the same rate as the current tax code up too that amount and only have to pay a higher percentage over that amount...what ignorance.
Do you think it's fair that 49% of all citizens in this country pay nothing in federal taxes? Should someone that pays nothing in federal taxes get a tax return? Should people who are on welfare have to work to get their money? Should we be concerned about the $30 billion in revenue that taxing the rich will bring in or the hundreds of billions in wasteful spending we have? The simple fact that businesses will intentionally make less than $250,000 should tell you that people would rather see their business take in less than give Washington more. How about closing the loopholes that some don't like and leave rates the same?
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The stock market is doing just fine, and so are the middle class' 401k's and IRA's, which are TAX DEFERRED, by the way, that have invested in the Stock Market.
Now what is your next ignorant remark?
It is tax deferred until you withdraw the money and then YOU PAY TAXES on that money. Mc Donalds doesn't have a plan like that for you?
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<quoted text>lol yah i saw that but i thought it was a joke i mean you can't have independant journelist voicing their own credible opinions on something because it was and still is controlled by Communist Party of the Russian Federation... so of course they are going to say stupid stuff llike that and of course they will pay their government so they can say stuff like that in a national newspaper that was printing everyday and now is down to only 3 prints per week... of course they will try to fear monger over there just like they do here i'm guessing it's almost impossible to escape republican i mean communist rule... lol take it with fact for what you will but i can tell you that it is not fact.. and that you would probably have a better time understanding them than fox news which has already went to court for lieing but ... of course russia wouldn't do that to provda.. and why should they they're being paid by the corporation.
Your first sentence just described the lame stream media reporting on Obama! I couldn't have said it better! LOL!

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WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>It is tax deferred until you withdraw the money and then YOU PAY TAXES on that money.
Congratulations, you just showed the world you know the meaning of the word "DEFERRED."

FOR todays lesson Mr. Wizard, will you explain how deferring that income tax to retirement age, makes the taxes much lower, on that income, and what benefit that would be for someone on a fixed income?


Thanks for the heads up on that, "Mc Donalds doesn't have a plan like that for you?"

In your next lesson, maybe you can cover self funded I.R.A.'s.

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for comrad barney II wrote:
President Vladimir Putin could never have imagined anyone so ignorant or so willing to destroy their people like Obama much less seeing millions vote for someone like Obama. They read history in America don't they? Alas, the schools in the U.S. were conquered by the Communists long ago and history was revised thus paving the way for their Communist presidents. Obama has bailed out those businesses that voted for him and increased the debt to over 16 trillion with an ever increasing unemployment rate especially among blacks and other minorities. All the while promoting his agenda.
"We must seek support in the moral values that have ensured the progress of our civilization. Honesty and hard work, responsibility and faith in our strength are bound to bring us success."- Vladimir Putin
The red, white and blue still flies happily but only in Russia. Russia still has St George defeating the Dragon with the symbol of the cross on its' flag. The ACLU and other atheist groups in America would never allow the US flag with such religious symbols. Lawsuits a plenty against religious freedom and expression in the land of the free. Christianity in the U.S. is under attack as it was during the early period of the Soviet Union when religious symbols were against the law.
Let's give American voters the benefit of the doubt and say it was all voter fraud and not ignorance or stupidity in electing a man who does not even know what to do and refuses help from Russia when there was an oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Instead we'll say it's true that the Communists usage of electronic voting was just a plan to manipulate the vote. Soros and his ownership of the company that counts the US votes in Spain helped put their puppet in power in the White House. According to the Huffington Post, residents in all 50 states have filed petitions to secede from the Unites States. We'll say that these Americans are hostages to the Communists in power. How long will their government reign tyranny upon them?
Russia lost its' civil war with the Reds and millions suffered torture and death for almost 75 years under the tyranny of the United Soviet Socialist Republic. Russians survived with a new and stronger faith in God and ever growing Christian Church. The question is how long will the once "Land of the Free" remain the United Socialist States of America? Their suffering has only begun.
Pravda
Damn, some of you people are nutts.

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Do you think it's fair that 49% of all citizens in this country pay nothing in federal taxes? Should someone that pays nothing in federal taxes get a tax return? Should people who are on welfare have to work to get their money? Should we be concerned about the $30 billion in revenue that taxing the rich will bring in or the hundreds of billions in wasteful spending we have? The simple fact that businesses will intentionally make less than $250,000 should tell you that people would rather see their business take in less than give Washington more. How about closing the loopholes that some don't like and leave rates the same?
I can see it now, sighs in windows across the country

SORRY WE ARE CLOSED

.......... we have made our 250,000 for the year..........


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