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WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18453 Nov 20, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
You're just full of nice words for other posters today, aren't you? He actually has been quite polite in his disagreements. Try to be nice back, okay?
I will try!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18454 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>What gives YOU or any employee the right to dictate what the boss gets paid? You do what you get paid to do and if you don't like it move on, find another job. Or maybe work hard and move up the company ladder and eventually make what the boss makes. Why so jealous of people who succede in life. Don't like the conditions you signed up for LEAVE!
I grew up in a family where both my dad, who lives in CA, and my step-dad here, owned their own businesses. Many times our family did without new school clothes and vacations so his employees could get paid. I sometimes get furious when I see people talking about greedy bosses and what they make. Often the bosses aren't making nearly as much as what the employees think they are. They don't realize all the costs involved in running a business.

So I mostly agree with you here, but I also know that sometimes people don't "sign up" for certain conditions. Sometimes things change after many years into ones career. I agree, if someone doesn't like it, they can leave, but there are cases where as one gets closer to getting that pension or some other benefit, employers try to make them miserable just to run them out. That's wrong too.

Every employer and every situation is different. Most people only talk about what they can relate to from what they've seen or experienced themselves.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18455 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>I will try!
:) Thank you.
Now try not to kill any coyotes tomorrow, okay?
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18456 Nov 20, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
I grew up in a family where both my dad, who lives in CA, and my step-dad here, owned their own businesses. Many times our family did without new school clothes and vacations so his employees could get paid. I sometimes get furious when I see people talking about greedy bosses and what they make. Often the bosses aren't making nearly as much as what the employees think they are. They don't realize all the costs involved in running a business.
So I mostly agree with you here, but I also know that sometimes people don't "sign up" for certain conditions. Sometimes things change after many years into ones career. I agree, if someone doesn't like it, they can leave, but there are cases where as one gets closer to getting that pension or some other benefit, employers try to make them miserable just to run them out. That's wrong too.
Every employer and every situation is different. Most people only talk about what they can relate to from what they've seen or experienced themselves.
I have been on both ends. I have been poor, rich and poor again. I am comfortable now. I did it on my own. No union, no help, no way. All hard work and being blessed. We donate thousands of dollars a year to charities, we made it a priority in all good and bad times. We never waivered, we always gave when we should have saved. If it didn't help somebody at least it made us feel good about ourselves. I have learned a couple of things in my lifetime. You are not here for a long time, you are here for a good time. And, nobody on their death bed ever said I wish I would have spent more time at the office. SO if you are miserable you have nobody to blame but yourself especially in this great cou ntry the United States of America!
lol

Oklahoma City, OK

#18457 Nov 20, 2012
news flash the election is over we are all doomed

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18458 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>I have been on both ends. I have been poor, rich and poor again. I am comfortable now. I did it on my own. No union, no help, no way. All hard work and being blessed. We donate thousands of dollars a year to charities, we made it a priority in all good and bad times. We never waivered, we always gave when we should have saved. If it didn't help somebody at least it made us feel good about ourselves. I have learned a couple of things in my lifetime. You are not here for a long time, you are here for a good time. And, nobody on their death bed ever said I wish I would have spent more time at the office. SO if you are miserable you have nobody to blame but yourself especially in this great cou ntry the United States of America!
Kudos to you, Warrior. I love success stories. That's why I enjoy listening to Dave Ramsey. Lots of good stories. Some not so good too. But always interesting. He is a huge advocate of giving. He firmly believes that when you do, you become richer for it. He described it this way: When you hold on so tight to your money that it can't leave your hand, money cannot enter your hand either.

Me? I wish I had more to give. I'm still trying to work through some stupid mistakes I made. That and trying to make ends meet with all the pay cuts I've taken and the recent state law that currently takes a big bite out of my paycheck and is about to get even bigger after things get decided in court.

I do give when and where I can. Each year I give to the Salvation Army and to people I know need the help as situations arise.
mjm71

Duluth, GA

#18459 Nov 20, 2012
Yes
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18460 Nov 20, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Kudos to you, Warrior. I love success stories. That's why I enjoy listening to Dave Ramsey. Lots of good stories. Some not so good too. But always interesting. He is a huge advocate of giving. He firmly believes that when you do, you become richer for it. He described it this way: When you hold on so tight to your money that it can't leave your hand, money cannot enter your hand either.
Me? I wish I had more to give. I'm still trying to work through some stupid mistakes I made. That and trying to make ends meet with all the pay cuts I've taken and the recent state law that currently takes a big bite out of my paycheck and is about to get even bigger after things get decided in court.
I do give when and where I can. Each year I give to the Salvation Army and to people I know need the help as situations arise.
I assume your husband works also. You sound like you have a good honest job and something to be proud of. I bet you can sleep at night. Many people, many rich people can't sleep at night for various reasons. I believe my family was the happiest when we struggled the most, interesting but true. My two favorite charites are St. Judes Childrens Hospital and the Marine Corps/Federal Law Enforcement Foundation. Both great organizations with very low administrative costs!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18461 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>I assume your husband works also. You sound like you have a good honest job and something to be proud of. I bet you can sleep at night. Many people, many rich people can't sleep at night for various reasons. I believe my family was the happiest when we struggled the most, interesting but true. My two favorite charites are St. Judes Childrens Hospital and the Marine Corps/Federal Law Enforcement Foundation. Both great organizations with very low administrative costs!
I don't have a "husband." But my "other half" is currently on a medical disability. One more surgery in January. Hopefully, he'll get back to work soon. He just applied for a job in Montana.

I have a decent job and make an honest living. Not much money, but enough to pay the bills, put food on the table and include a little bit of fun. I'm not too bad at saving and investing because I'm not into material stuff and I live within my means. I plan to be retired at a very young age. My job isn't what I imagined I'd do with my life, but the retirement package made it worth staying, even though I have a degree that could have earned me a better living. I consider myself to be very happy, very lucky, and I have a clear conscience.

I honestly believe people who struggle, at least for a while, are happier than those who have everything. They have a better appreciation of what it means to work hard and actually earn what they own. There is something about accomplishment that does something to people.

That reminds me. Gotta get up early. Good night.
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18462 Nov 21, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>What gives YOU or any employee the right to dictate what the boss gets paid? You do what you get paid to do and if you don't like it move on, find another job. Or maybe work hard and move up the company ladder and eventually make what the boss makes. Why so jealous of people who succede in life. Don't like the conditions you signed up for LEAVE!
so i just have to say that this is total "malarky" lol !!! well let me tell you if the boss is doing horrible they should be no subject to being fired just the same as his or her employee... they do not deserve the right to make other people's lives misserable for the own personal pleasure.. and if ceo's of major corporations are not gonna make the correct changes then shut them down like you said... if the workers have to go find other jobs than corporate officials should be doing the same and if ceo's aren't going to fire upper management and turnaround business then why contribute to the corporation... i garuntee that those presidents, vicepresidents, marketing directors and other top level exects... or suits... will have an even harder time finding a job than the laborers you think they rule over... this great united states of america is built on democracy and compromise not dictatorship and hardship....it was built on the backs of unions and the middle class american which i assume everyone on here is... incase you haven't notices we went through a economic crises so just working harder to get to that position doesn't cut it .. you have people who have left the worforce comming back to work ... such as retirees... you have doctorets taking masters positions and masters taking bachelors positions .. you have people stayin in longer and not retiring keeping good positions out of reach... which will keep you in your current position not expecting any raise no matter how hard you work .. no matter what they will not give a raise because they are betting that you will stay because it is hard to find a good job. that's nationwide and will be for awhile.
Linda

Hardy, AR

#18463 Nov 21, 2012
This was 47 years ago. April 3, 1965. An amazing prediction. Do you remember the famous ABC radio commentator Paul Harvey?

Millions of Americans listened to his programs which were broadcast over 1,200 radio stations nationwide.

When you listen to this, remember the commentary was broadcast 47 years ago on April 3, 1965.

It's short...less than three minutes. You will be amazed.

http://stg.do/9LDc Paul Harvey was right. It goes to show that there's a lot of truth in the statement; those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. We truly are in scary times!
America s loss

Cherkessk, Russia

#18464 Nov 21, 2012
GOP Legally Barred From Fighting Vote Fraud
Tuesday, November 20, 2012 23:20

Voting machines suspiciously defaulting to Barack Obama? Buses loaded with strangers appearing at polling stations? Even ballots turning out 100 percent for one candidate in precinct reports?

In short, suspicions of vote fraud?

That’s too bad, because a race-based consent decree negotiated by Democrats against the Republican National Committee a generation ago still has tied the RNC’s hands, and GOP officials could be cited for contempt – or worse – if they try to make sure American elections are clean.

Impossible?

No. Fact.

The case is the Democratic National Committee vs. the Republican National Committee, originally from 1982.

Democrats alleged Republicans were trying intimidate minority voters in New Jersey and brought the legal action. The RNC, inexplicably, decided to agree to a consent decree before a Democrat-appointed judge rather than fight the claims.

The judge, Dickinson Debevoise, appointed by Jimmy Carter, later retired but decided he would continue to control the case. The decision requires the RNC – but not the DNC – to “refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose.”

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18465 Nov 21, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>so i just have to say that this is total "malarky" lol !!! well let me tell you if the boss is doing horrible they should be no subject to being fired just the same as his or her employee... they do not deserve the right to make other people's lives misserable for the own personal pleasure.. and if ceo's of major corporations are not gonna make the correct changes then shut them down like you said... if the workers have to go find other jobs than corporate officials should be doing the same and if ceo's aren't going to fire upper management and turnaround business then why contribute to the corporation... i garuntee that those presidents, vicepresidents, marketing directors and other top level exects... or suits... will have an even harder time finding a job than the laborers you think they rule over... this great united states of america is built on democracy and compromise not dictatorship and hardship....it was built on the backs of unions and the middle class american which i assume everyone on here is... incase you haven't notices we went through a economic crises so just working harder to get to that position doesn't cut it .. you have people who have left the worforce comming back to work ... such as retirees... you have doctorets taking masters positions and masters taking bachelors positions .. you have people stayin in longer and not retiring keeping good positions out of reach... which will keep you in your current position not expecting any raise no matter how hard you work .. no matter what they will not give a raise because they are betting that you will stay because it is hard to find a good job. that's nationwide and will be for awhile.
"this great united states of america is built on democracy and compromise not dictatorship and hardship"
You're wrong on two counts. This great United States of America was NOT built on democracy and it WAS built on hardship.
This is a republic, and do you honestly believe our ancestors didn't have it rough??? They had tremendous hardships! Having it rough makes you stronger. Todays society doesn't know what hardship means. Some think it means having their cable shut off.

"it was built on the backs of unions and the middle class american which i assume everyone on here is."
Wrong again. It was NOT built on unions and you can never assume everyone on Topix is in the middle class. America was build on hard work by ALL Americans. Unions are a minority of the population. And you'd be surprised at how many Americans are millionaires. Ever heard of the millionaire next door?

"you have doctorets taking masters positions and masters taking bachelors positions"
So? Who ever guaranteed someone a good high paying position, just because they went to college? That is a risk they take. If someone has a Masters and can't find a job, McDonalds is always hiring.
Linda

Hardy, AR

#18466 Nov 21, 2012
Obama will follow his liberal socialist ideologies as always. Destroy business, destroy economy, grab more government control, steal from Americans and give it to special interest groups. Welcome to the new liberal utopia.
Old Army

Greenbrier, AR

#18468 Nov 21, 2012
JudeJacobs wrote:
<quoted text>please be "extinct"
When you think about it, that was a stupid post. Never mind, you must be one of the "and others" that doesn't have the ability to think.
Peter

Tempe, AZ

#18469 Nov 21, 2012
America s loss wrote:
GOP Legally Barred From Fighting Vote Fraud
Tuesday, November 20, 2012 23:20
Voting machines suspiciously defaulting to Barack Obama? Buses loaded with strangers appearing at polling stations? Even ballots turning out 100 percent for one candidate in precinct reports?
In short, suspicions of vote fraud?
That’s too bad, because a race-based consent decree negotiated by Democrats against the Republican National Committee a generation ago still has tied the RNC’s hands, and GOP officials could be cited for contempt – or worse – if they try to make sure American elections are clean.
Impossible?
No. Fact.
The case is the Democratic National Committee vs. the Republican National Committee, originally from 1982.
Democrats alleged Republicans were trying intimidate minority voters in New Jersey and brought the legal action. The RNC, inexplicably, decided to agree to a consent decree before a Democrat-appointed judge rather than fight the claims.
The judge, Dickinson Debevoise, appointed by Jimmy Carter, later retired but decided he would continue to control the case. The decision requires the RNC – but not the DNC – to “refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose.”
Good post for what looks like a Ruskie, but the obama worshipers won't listen even when the Kenyan takes their guns away from them, shoves the barrel up their butts and pulls the trigger.
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18470 Nov 21, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
"this great united states of america is built on democracy and compromise not dictatorship and hardship"
You're wrong on two counts. This great United States of America was NOT built on democracy and it WAS built on hardship.
This is a republic, and do you honestly believe our ancestors didn't have it rough??? They had tremendous hardships! Having it rough makes you stronger. Todays society doesn't know what hardship means. Some think it means having their cable shut off.
"it was built on the backs of unions and the middle class american which i assume everyone on here is."
Wrong again. It was NOT built on unions and you can never assume everyone on Topix is in the middle class. America was build on hard work by ALL Americans. Unions are a minority of the population. And you'd be surprised at how many Americans are millionaires. Ever heard of the millionaire next door?
"you have doctorets taking masters positions and masters taking bachelors positions"
So? Who ever guaranteed someone a good high paying position, just because they went to college? That is a risk they take. If someone has a Masters and can't find a job, McDonalds is always hiring.
i did not say that americans did not go through hardships when we built this country the context that the sentenece was used is that hardships were not meant to be endured through employer benefit get it right... and if you ever paid attention in your history lesson in school which you seem to be posed to be a bright individual in your other posts but clearly your ignorance is showing... this country WAS built on the backs of hard working middle class americans alot of which were in unions .. they helped stopped the monopolies that were running this country such as oil, gas, coal, steel, automobiles, get real with your incompentence. we would be answering to a few rich americans if roosevelt who was a republican did not agree with all of these MIDDLE class americans and break up monopolies with union support and add to our nations parks and forests to keep them out of reach of the greedy people in this country... and yes this country was built on democracy ... believe it or go back to school because we live in a republic but the belief in democracy is what the strive was for "While there is no universally accepted definition of "democracy,"[5] equality and freedom have both been identified as important characteristics of democracy since ancient times.[6] These principles are reflected in all eligible citizens being equal before the law and having equal access to legislative processes. For example, in a representative democracy, every vote has equal weight, no unreasonable restrictions can apply to anyone seeking to become a representative, and the freedom of its eligible citizens is secured by legitimized rights and liberties which are generally protected by a constitution.[7][8]" the word can be used to describe situations which we underwent not that democracy should be controlled by the majority my words were taken out of context. i also bet that if you talk to hundreds of thousands of people standing in soup kitchen lines all across the country i think they would tell you they could care less about there cable being turned off... you also think that doctorets should be working at mcdonalds? that is not how this country was meant to operate the hope to better you life through hard work and good decision making is what this country is meant to be why do you think millions of people want to come to this country? not to work at mcdonalds... until you look at the whole picture and quit dissecting bits and pieces and taking them out of context instead of understanding the meaning behind the phrase then there is and will be no hope for you become complacent at where your at because i know you already are and in away i almost feel sorry for you .. almost.
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18471 Nov 21, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>It is obvious that you have never ran a business not even so much as a lemonaide stand. It doesn't benefit ANYBODY to not produce the best product one can and make the most money possible. That is the bottom line, making money! It is not the EMPLOYEES job to evaluate the BOSS! Everybody works for somebody. It is none of YOUR business how much the BOSS makes. Do what you get paid to do and keep your mouth shut. You are definitely part of this entitlement society where you think everybody owes you something. Nobody owes you anything in life. And this country is NOT a DEMOCRACY just like Hostess is not a democracy! The better the rich do, the better owners of companies do, the better the Stock Market does the better ALL of us in America do. You liberals are so blind with your hate towards those who have more than you do. You crack me up!
no sir i do not own a business but i am invested in one and do give guidance and i must say that the business is doing incredibly well... actually expanding... and clearly you can't understand what was wrote so let me break it down for you ... i did not mean that everyone should just produce low grade materials or goods.. i said that if the top level executives cannot competently turn around a company through smart investments and decision making and ceos do not want to FIRE these executives for making poor decisions ultimatly hurting the company then yes unions like hostess deserve the right to shut the company down... the company would have ultamtly failed anyways with bonuses going to upperlevel exects who couldn't produce a profit so they were inevadibly gutting the company anyways just prolonging the liquidation... unions and workers saw what was happening they were not dumb .. so they decided to end it on their terms not work for less wages to try and squeeze out an extra couple hundred thousand dollars of profit that would have went to the top exxects anyways... and like i said to both you and raptor.. if the union was not sure that it was making the right decision and that their employees would have been in great harm of not finding future employement i beleive they would have crossed lines and came to a compromise at least until they became more confident in employeement in the areas... in the end result they were looking to liquidate the company anyways.. so by people leaving with their current pay rate and benifits can leave with their head held high as they were not persuaded in degrading theirselves by giving up benifits that 95 percent of them deserved. oh yah "The better the rich do, the better owners of companies do, the better the Stock Market does the better ALL of us in America do." how has that worked out for the past 10 years ? that same type of trickle down economics has never proven itself in history. clintons age of economics was the opposite of that and we had the biggest economic growth of our lifetime. beleive it. the stock market has doubled under obama companies as a whole are making record profits and the rich are still getting richer... but how are 98 percent of middle class americans doing?.. very poorly .. their work is producing these record profits for the so called rich but they do not get rewarded for their efforts.. don't you think it's only right to share the rewards of a succesful company with it's employees or are you that greedy and incompetent as well? the subject is MORALS which all of you who beleive what this "WARRIOR" guy is saying clearly have never had or have any aspect of obtaining.
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18472 Nov 21, 2012
Linda wrote:
Obama will follow his liberal socialist ideologies as always. Destroy business, destroy economy, grab more government control, steal from Americans and give it to special interest groups. Welcome to the new liberal utopia.
more like welcome to more cazy right wing conspiracies.
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18476 Nov 21, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>It is obvious that you have never ran a business not even so much as a lemonaide stand. It doesn't benefit ANYBODY to not produce the best product one can and make the most money possible. That is the bottom line, making money! It is not the EMPLOYEES job to evaluate the BOSS! Everybody works for somebody. It is none of YOUR business how much the BOSS makes. Do what you get paid to do and keep your mouth shut. You are definitely part of this entitlement society where you think everybody owes you something. Nobody owes you anything in life. And this country is NOT a DEMOCRACY just like Hostess is not a democracy! The better the rich do, the better owners of companies do, the better the Stock Market does the better ALL of us in America do. You liberals are so blind with your hate towards those who have more than you do. You crack me up!
you know i was just thinking and you seem to stick up for the big guy.. but i bet for one second that you do not own your own business and by own a business i mean one that actually does provide to pay for the bills rather than have to have a side hobby such as raptor... if you are not one of the people wearing a suit at the top or the owner of a small business succeeding enough on its own or have money time sweat labor and tears invested into a company then you have no "right" to be telling other fellow employees of the labor market what and what not to beleivek.. you have the right to voice your opinion but imposing those beleifs on others is not acceptable.. unless factually based and proven to work.... which nothing you have voiced contains either of those 2.and yes it is important for employees to know how long a company has been in business, what their growth rate is like, and what future expectations are... it is like you said not intended for everyone to know everyones pay check .. but if someones getting ripped off it should be fair to that party that all descussions should be pput on the table not put off... and if companies are doing "bad" by taking their profits as a whole and investing into un educated top level exects that make poor decision making then the general laborer is getting ripped off. and your "entitlement" in these united states is that.. you should be able to go to school if you want.. you should be able to get the healthcare you deserve if you need it... you should be helped if you lose a job through no fault of your own so you can continue to contribute to the economy.. you should be able to own your own house and afford to pay for energy that you use everyday... farmers should also be given help as they need it.. and families living in the economy should be helped if they come into hard times not spit on like dogs. your ignorance is clearly showing because everyone that is on these entitlement programs are still guess what spending money in the economy .. may not be directly at the business you work at, but they do contribute and put the same money they recieve from entitlements back in the economy... so until you learn how the economy works just quit trying to act like you do because knowledge is key but it's hard to get through to an ignorant lock.

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