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“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18424 Nov 20, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>in a right to work state which most states are turning to it does not matter what you say to your employeer about raises or benefits... those are incentives which they do NOT have to offer... try to collectively bargaining when your employeer in one of these states tells you that... i know people that have worked and not receieved a raise at all since 2005 that's 8 years don't think that a company wouldn't push it 8 more cuz they would... so yah i know realistic scenarios... i've seen people work at places for 12 years and only be making a couple dollars more Maybe than minimum wage.."In Pattern Makers, the Court reaffirmed its holding in NLRB v. Granite State Joint Bd., Textile Workers Local 1029, which said:
[T]he power of the union over the member is certainly no greater than the union-member contract. Where a member lawfully resigns from a union and thereafter engages in conduct which the union rule proscribes, the union commits an unfair labor practice when it seeks enforcement of fines for that conduct. That is to say, when there is a lawful dissolution of a union-member relation, the union has no more control over the former member than it has over the man in the street.(29)
Thus, a union member is free to resign from union membership at any time and cannot be disciplined by the union for post-resignation conduct, even if its constitution or bylaws purport to restrict the member's right to resign. When an individual effectively severs his relationship with the union through resignation, the union's right to discipline him for post-resignation conduct ceases.(30)
If a union official tells a member that he is not free to resign, this is a false statement and the union should thereafter lose its power to discipline that employee for actions taken after that false statement, because employees are not required to undertake gestures which the union tells them will be futile.(31) Moreover, if a union attempts to discipline a former member for events that occurred after his resignation, it violates Section 8(b)(1)(A) of the National Labor Relations Act. " theres your succenct.
I make the same wage now as I did in 2005. I have fewer vacation days and my health care has been cut. When we did get raises, they were usually 2%. This was all union negotiated.

As a non-union person before this job, my raises were roughly 8%.

When I asked about leaving the union some years ago, I was told I would still be required to pay union dues and if I had a problem, I would get no union representation. That's about the ONLY good thing a union does- is fight to keep someones job when they get in trouble. Though many times the person deserves to be fired. It wasn't worth going through any trouble, so I never took any action. I just have no use for it and never go to meetings or get involved in any way. I do see other union members getting disgusted with things too and more and more are wanting to dissolve the union.

A different union where I work is already in the midst of voting to dissolve their union, which only formed about five years ago. They saw how the union prevented them from getting any raises or fringe benefits. The union officers only negotiate the things they want for themselves and the other members are left out. People who used to be friends, no longer are.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18425 Nov 20, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>in a right to work state which most states are turning to it does not matter what you say to your employeer about raises or benefits... those are incentives which they do NOT have to offer... try to collectively bargaining when your employeer in one of these states tells you that... i know people that have worked and not receieved a raise at all since 2005 that's 8 years don't think that a company wouldn't push it 8 more cuz they would... so yah i know realistic scenarios... i've seen people work at places for 12 years and only be making a couple dollars more Maybe than minimum wage.."In Pattern Makers, the Court reaffirmed its holding in NLRB v. Granite State Joint Bd., Textile Workers Local 1029, which said:
[T]he power of the union over the member is certainly no greater than the union-member contract. Where a member lawfully resigns from a union and thereafter engages in conduct which the union rule proscribes, the union commits an unfair labor practice when it seeks enforcement of fines for that conduct. That is to say, when there is a lawful dissolution of a union-member relation, the union has no more control over the former member than it has over the man in the street.(29)
Thus, a union member is free to resign from union membership at any time and cannot be disciplined by the union for post-resignation conduct, even if its constitution or bylaws purport to restrict the member's right to resign. When an individual effectively severs his relationship with the union through resignation, the union's right to discipline him for post-resignation conduct ceases.(30)
If a union official tells a member that he is not free to resign, this is a false statement and the union should thereafter lose its power to discipline that employee for actions taken after that false statement, because employees are not required to undertake gestures which the union tells them will be futile.(31) Moreover, if a union attempts to discipline a former member for events that occurred after his resignation, it violates Section 8(b)(1)(A) of the National Labor Relations Act. " theres your succenct.
FUNNY how you always say that you KNOW people and you have SEEN people but you never say YOU have experienced any of it. Maybe you should put your big boy pants on and get out there in the real world and find a job for a change so you have a little credibility when you speak. Right now you sound like a dude who lays around all day on his mothers couch eating Ho Ho's and Twinkies!

Have a nice day DING DONG!

“Hear No, Speak No, See No ”

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#18426 Nov 20, 2012
We should always remember the blood shed so we would have the freedom to express our opinion by having the ability to cast our vote for the candidate we believe in the most.
Those who can and don't should keep their mouth and opinions to themselves. They have another chance the next election.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18427 Nov 20, 2012
monkey_trouble wrote:
We should always remember the blood shed so we would have the freedom to express our opinion by having the ability to cast our vote for the candidate we believe in the most.
Those who can and don't should keep their mouth and opinions to themselves. They have another chance the next election.
You're an i diot!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18428 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>You're an i diot!
That wasn't very nice.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18429 Nov 20, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
That wasn't very nice.
I know! I was in a mood!
Pondering

Jonesboro, AR

#18430 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>I know! I was in a mood!
Your mood has little to do with their being an idiot, let them take responsibility.

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#18431 Nov 20, 2012
Old Army wrote:
<quoted text>
JonTobi, Edith, Belinda, Sgt Bro, et al, learned a new word today. Maybe tomorrow they will learn how to use it in a relevant sentence that makes sense. KISS.
please be "extinct"
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18432 Nov 20, 2012
Pondering wrote:
<quoted text>
Your mood has little to do with their being an idiot, let them take responsibility.
Thank you!
Belinda

Searcy, AR

#18433 Nov 20, 2012
Old Army wrote:
<quoted text>
JonTobi, Edith, Belinda, Sgt Bro, et al, learned a new word today. Maybe tomorrow they will learn how to use it in a relevant sentence that makes sense. KISS.
Get over yourself.
Belinda

Searcy, AR

#18434 Nov 20, 2012
Old Army wrote:
<quoted text>
JonTobi, Edith, Belinda, Sgt Bro, et al, learned a new word today. Maybe tomorrow they will learn how to use it in a relevant sentence that makes sense. KISS.
It's et al. Try not to use words above your scope.
Turkeys

Alamogordo, NM

#18435 Nov 20, 2012
Belinda wrote:
<quoted text>It's et al. Try not to use words above your scope.
Just try using Scope every now and then stinky!
dont know nothin

Benton City, WA

#18436 Nov 20, 2012
Look For the Union Label wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right, those that choose to withdraw from the union are allowed to. If they go to work, they are referred to as Scabs, have their cars burned and are beaten mercilessly. I do love the union label.
ok if you are being harrased take that up with your employer i do not care nor will i ever. noone deserves to be treated in anyway like the ways you just referenced; so with that being said, grow some spine and stick up for yourself.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18437 Nov 20, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>ok if you are being harrased take that up with your employer i do not care nor will i ever. noone deserves to be treated in anyway like the ways you just referenced; so with that being said, grow some spine and stick up for yourself.
They have harassed the families of people who voted against joining the union. The votes are not allowed to be kept private. Lots of people had to vote yes just to make sure their family stayed safe.
dont know nothin

Benton City, WA

#18438 Nov 20, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
I make the same wage now as I did in 2005. I have fewer vacation days and my health care has been cut. When we did get raises, they were usually 2%. This was all union negotiated.
As a non-union person before this job, my raises were roughly 8%.
When I asked about leaving the union some years ago, I was told I would still be required to pay union dues and if I had a problem, I would get no union representation. That's about the ONLY good thing a union does- is fight to keep someones job when they get in trouble. Though many times the person deserves to be fired. It wasn't worth going through any trouble, so I never took any action. I just have no use for it and never go to meetings or get involved in any way. I do see other union members getting disgusted with things too and more and more are wanting to dissolve the union.
A different union where I work is already in the midst of voting to dissolve their union, which only formed about five years ago. They saw how the union prevented them from getting any raises or fringe benefits. The union officers only negotiate the things they want for themselves and the other members are left out. People who used to be friends, no longer are.
wait what? you make the same wage but when you did get raises it was 2 percent?... that makes no sense.. and unions did do drastic negotiations when the collapse happend because we are all in this together... and of course you were getting raises before then because the economy was actually doing well until 2002 when wars were starting and economy was doing "ok" and noone knew anything about the stock market and banks and what investors where doing, when in my opinion i think bush knew exactly what was going on but that's just my opinion, in 05 06 people were getting greedy and slowed down raises and did all kinds of adjustments to benifits to skew their profits.. in 07 08 the bubble bursts and here we are.. no telling when we might get a raise next. you were also lied to they were making you pay for the benefit of them fight for you because if you wanted out without that benefit and wanted to just be on your own you could have. that's what the law says. also any union who is just in it for their union officers benefits then i consider them just as greedy as the ceo's and i do agree with you on that, that the right thing to do is dissolve. Like i said though a victim of a new upcoming union or a victim of a bad union does not take the place Millions of americans like i said that rely on good union help. If unions were so bad then they wouldn't have tried to or successfully stopped most of the union busting that was going on after the tea party republicans took office in 2010. wisconsin, ohio, michigan, iowa, many states fought to keep those unions.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18439 Nov 20, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>ok if you are being harrased take that up with your employer i do not care nor will i ever. noone deserves to be treated in anyway like the ways you just referenced; so with that being said, grow some spine and stick up for yourself.
Hey Ding Dong looks like your Twinkie UNION FAILED AGAIN! I guess once they started negotiating today they remembered that the right thing to do was have their membership spend Christmas unemployed!
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18440 Nov 20, 2012
dont know nothin wrote:
<quoted text>wait what? you make the same wage but when you did get raises it was 2 percent?... that makes no sense.. and unions did do drastic negotiations when the collapse happend because we are all in this together... and of course you were getting raises before then because the economy was actually doing well until 2002 when wars were starting and economy was doing "ok" and noone knew anything about the stock market and banks and what investors where doing, when in my opinion i think bush knew exactly what was going on but that's just my opinion, in 05 06 people were getting greedy and slowed down raises and did all kinds of adjustments to benifits to skew their profits.. in 07 08 the bubble bursts and here we are.. no telling when we might get a raise next. you were also lied to they were making you pay for the benefit of them fight for you because if you wanted out without that benefit and wanted to just be on your own you could have. that's what the law says. also any union who is just in it for their union officers benefits then i consider them just as greedy as the ceo's and i do agree with you on that, that the right thing to do is dissolve. Like i said though a victim of a new upcoming union or a victim of a bad union does not take the place Millions of americans like i said that rely on good union help. If unions were so bad then they wouldn't have tried to or successfully stopped most of the union busting that was going on after the tea party republicans took office in 2010. wisconsin, ohio, michigan, iowa, many states fought to keep those unions.
Are you sure you are not a Union President? You are just as intelligent and have the same writing skills as most Union Officials. LMAO!
dont know nothin

Benton City, WA

#18441 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>FUNNY how you always say that you KNOW people and you have SEEN people but you never say YOU have experienced any of it. Maybe you should put your big boy pants on and get out there in the real world and find a job for a change so you have a little credibility when you speak. Right now you sound like a dude who lays around all day on his mothers couch eating Ho Ho's and Twinkies!
Have a nice day DING DONG!
um no i havent experience any of it .. i have not lived in a union based state nor have i went out of my way to actively seek a job in a union profession to join. i am not a baker, welder, electrician, teacher, coal miner, NFL football player, automobile worker, airline worker, fire fighter, postal worker, nurse, plumber, or roofer, but i do know people that are. i've had my big boy pants on since you were playing pee wee sports... and have worked since i was 15 so i speak with all the credibility in the world and have no desire in hearing what someone who hasn't made it out of a town of 6 thousand people and probably works at the walmart or is relying on it to stay open for job security in a town that is slowly dying and will continue to do so even more so when they put the bypass up. so stuff that in your ho ho... dude.. and think about it for a min ding dong.
dont know nothin

Benton City, WA

#18442 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>Are you sure you are not a Union President? You are just as intelligent and have the same writing skills as most Union Officials. LMAO!
beleive me i wish i was a union president and could help in the changing of peoples lives for the better.. i'm not gonna give everyone of them a pass but there are more good apples than bad. you keep bashing unions like they don't do anything... that hostess plant was going to go behind unions backs and shut down the factory... judge told ceos to hash it out between union workers and an agreement will get made.. weather for the better or worse... i beleive that the ceo's will not get their bonuses they were promised and union workers will still keep there jobs at the same rate as before..but .. the court mediator will ultimatley decide that.
dont know nothin

Benton City, WA

#18443 Nov 20, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>Hey Ding Dong looks like your Twinkie UNION FAILED AGAIN! I guess once they started negotiating today they remembered that the right thing to do was have their membership spend Christmas unemployed!
um no just as i stated in the previous post... the court mediator will ultimately decide and guide the outcome. hostess as a company may not be in existance.. but some form of the same products will produce either new companies or expand existing ones ...but who knows i'm not the official nor would i want to be. everything until the end is just speculation.

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