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dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18287 Nov 16, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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Do you even know what an insult is? If they had listened to him a few years earlier, 3000 people would STILL BE HERE! He PREDICTED IT!! He warned us the terrorists were coming. As usual HE WAS RIGHT!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vpdf_UtvSpEXX
Paul believes the size of the federal government must be decreased substantially. In order to restrict the federal government to what he believes are its Constitutionally authorized functions, he regularly votes against almost all proposals for new government spending, initiatives, or taxes,[15] in many cases making him in a minority of members of the house by doing so. For example, on January 22, 2007, Paul was the lone member out of 415[16] voting to oppose a House measure to create a National Archives exhibit on slavery and Reconstruction, seeing this as an unauthorized use of taxpayer money.

Paul advocates substantially reducing the government's role in individual lives and in the functions of foreign and domestic states; he says Republicans have lost their commitment to limited government and have become the party of big government.[17] His 2012 "Plan to Restore America"[18] would eliminate five Cabinet-level departments: Energy, HUD, Commerce, Interior, and Education. He has called for elimination of other federal agencies such as the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services,[19] and the Internal Revenue Service,[20] calling them "unnecessary bureaucracies". Paul would severely reduce the role of the Central Intelligence Agency; reducing its functions to intelligence-gathering. He would eliminate operations like overthrowing foreign governments and assassinations. He says this activity is kept secret even from Congress and "leads to trouble".[21] He also commented, "We have every right in the world to know something about intelligence gathering, but we have to have intelligent people interpreting this information."[22]

Paul calls for the elimination of the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), which is tasked with coordinating preparedness and relief for natural disasters. He regards the argument for FEMA as “symptomatic of a blind belief in big government's ability to do anything and everything for anyone and everyone.... When people are starving, injured and dying they need speed and efficiency, yet FEMA comes along with forms and policies and rubber stamps.”[23] He complains that FEMA is a mismanaged and nearly-bankrupt bureaucracy, open to corruption.[24][25][26][27] He also argues that the socialized insurance concept which underlies FEMA is deeply flawed, encouraging risk-taking – such as building beachfront homes in hurricane-prone coastal areas – that would be too expensive to consider if the sole source of disaster insurance were private-sector insurance purchased in the free market.[24][25][27] In his view, disaster response management should be coordinated at the state and local level, without any federal involvement, and should be entirely voluntary and based on charitable goodwill.[23][24][27] As Hurricane Irene bore down on the country's coast in August 2011, Paul said,“I live on the Gulf Coast. We put up with hurricanes all the time.... In 1900, before FEMA, the local people rebuilt the city, built a seawall, and they survived without FEMA....”[28]

yah i know what ron paul stands for and he stands for all those ignorant tea party republicans that are stalling the government in the house.
guest

Paragould, AR

#18289 Nov 16, 2012
Guess wrote:
<quoted text>Yes you are the ignorant one because you are one of the ones that think government can solve all problems. That part of the problem government is way to big. I could be wrong but i believe the way you are so pro obama and all. You are one of the 50 million people on food stamps and getting a welfare check. Just so you know smart butt the tea partyers are good decent hard working poeple that are tired of the government ripping the nation off with all their spending. Stick that in you food stamps and eat it.
It just seems like most Republicans are for socialism for the middle class (as described earlier in this thread, most don't even pay enough federal taxes to cover the parts of the budget they support, much less their share of the entire budget), but they are against socialism for those who actually need it. Why is it okay for the rich to support the middle class? That is socialism. I can't understand how the Republicans think they are for small government. They just want to change who the government benefits and who it doesn't. More tax cuts for the middle class, of course.

I mean, it will be bad if the "Bush Tax Cuts" (which Obama extended and wants to keep extending) for the middle class expire next year because the Republican Congress is holding them hostage for tax cuts for the rich -- but even Bush knew that they weren't affordable, that's why they originally had an expiration date. But where is any of that money going to come from? Welfare cuts?

I looked at the federal budget. Of course, the military, which Republicans want to expand spending on, is about 25% of the budget (and that's with the two wars all but ended). Medicare, which Republicans want to increase spending on, is nearly 25% of the budget too. Social Security? About nearly 25% of the budget. Education, which is about 4% of the budget, is something that Republicans want to cut. Welfare? Cut cut cut. It is 12% of the budget. What are we going to do, cut welfare down to 9% and increase what Republicans like by several times that? It's a drop in the bucket, and that's without their increases in spending. Not to mention all of the tax cuts that Republicans want for the rich and the middle class. Where is the responsibility in that? Where is that money going to come from? Cuts to welfare? No. It isn't even possible. Not even if it was eliminated.

I have never heard anyone talk about the middle class before like I have. I can understand why too. The poor don't vote. The rich don't have the numbers to make a difference. Both sides need the middle class. The Democrats and the rich both pander to them. But it amazes me how the Republicans get so many people to take on the cause of the rich as if it was their own situation, when in reality the vast majority of them aren't even paying their share of the budget, much less paying for anything that the government provides for anyone else (which they so commonly erroneously complaign about).

Stick that in your food stamp hating pipe and smoke it.
guest

Paragould, AR

#18290 Nov 16, 2012
...we all know that the top 1% pays 37% of federal income taxes paid. The top 5% pays 60% of federal income taxes paid. The top 10% pays 70% of federal income taxes paid. I looked it up once, and someone has to be in like the top 15% of wage earners to even be a net positive contributor to the federal income tax system...

A vast majority of Americans (including most of the middle class) are "subsidized by the rich."

They aren't paying for anything of anyone else...they aren't even paying their own "fair share" of the budget (likely not even the parts of the budget that they support if they got to pick and choose what they want to exit).

For example, the Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost $14,000 per man, woman and child in America.

How many of you Paragould Republicans have paid that much in federal income taxes? Family of 4...$56,000?

And remember, that is your "fair shair" of the tax bill on just that ONE thing...imagine everything that even you are for added up and divided by the population.

That kinds puts Romney's "47%" comment into prespective.

If you think that I'm wrong, then how?

...it isn't in the math...
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18292 Nov 16, 2012
Guess wrote:
<quoted text>You just prove you know nothing about socialism is and republicans arenot socialist. Your president is, he wants the government to control the people. YOU are one of these people who won't wake up and you are allowing him to do it. i don't believe the government should control anybody. The constitution states the government is for the people by the people. If our founding fathers could see what obama has done to this nation they would be spining in the graves. News flash since you know nothing about economics. I'm all for the rich and everybody else paying their shares. But obama is talking about the filthy rich paying as high as 52% of their income. If you tax the rich they don't hire and they lay off people. The government doesn't have a revenue problem. They have a really big spending problem. Obama spend 6 trillion dollars in four years. They need to cut accross the board. I say we start with obama and congress salaries. Your president makes 400,000.00 a year plus a great big expense account. The average congressmen gets about 175,000.00 plus a big expense account. Now i'm betting you don't make that much. Why in the world should all us tax payers pay for their spending sprees? Why should future generations pay for all their spending sprees. Wake up before you allow obama to destroy this nation with his radical socialist-communist ideas, before we lose our freedom. Do you not love your freedom?
if republicans aren't socialist then why are 13 republican states now not agreeing to implement obamacare which would force the federal government to pay for their states share of the contribution... they are taking the handout and begging for more... you ron paul quacks are just as nuts as all of the extreme right wing tea partiers... oh and by the way the government doesn't control anyone .. you don't have to accept medicare, medicaid, social security, unemployment, wic, disability, or any other type of welfare... but i bet you do .. and even if you just use what you paid in you would run out before your life ends... with the rising cost in medical which has been leveled pretty much off by obamacare...and as for your constitution statement for the people and so on .. guess what this is what the people want .. we as americans help each other out .. we don't spit on them when their down .. if your ok with that then move to china and live in one of those prisons designed to keep people "in" lol .. we have each other's backs when we go to war, when a national desaster strikes, so why the hell would we not have each others backs if one of us loses a job through no fault of their own, gets cancer, gets to old to work, becomes a quadrapaligic,... your version of i'm on this on my own will never pass as this entire country is tied to every one of it's citizens and indirectly to the rest of the world... the tax hike may go as high as 40 if we go over the cliff as that was the previous taxes under clinton for someone who doesn't know anything about economics... and let me tell you years of companies taking big bonuses and giving them to upper management due to record profits on the back of employees is coming to an end... these companies will essentially have to reinvest in their companies through pay raises and restructure just like they were doing in the 90s or they will fail and i commend that. if companies that are profiting millions more due to bush tax cuts and decide not to reinvest then let them go under. denny's franchises, papa johns, and other multi million dollar companies will learn and you are and will continue to see changes... people will go elsewhere and jobs that are lost will be created due to other companies having to expand to pick up business this is how econ works how it has always worked and if there will be no change freely then the econ will force companies to change .. the money will infact stay the same just move to different places.
dont know nothin

Yakima, WA

#18293 Nov 16, 2012
Guess wrote:
<quoted text>Yes you are the ignorant one because you are one of the ones that think government can solve all problems. That part of the problem government is way to big. I could be wrong but i believe the way you are so pro obama and all. You are one of the 50 million people on food stamps and getting a welfare check. Just so you know smart butt the tea partyers are good decent hard working poeple that are tired of the government ripping the nation off with all their spending. Stick that in you food stamps and eat it.
no sir i am not one of the 50 million hard working americans who lost their jobs through one of the worst economic downturns since the great depressin, which i consider myself to be lucky and you should as well, yah i beleive tea partiers are good hard working people never said they weren't but i will tell you that they are as dumb as a box of rocks because they are living in a fantasy land led by conservative media, and i wouldn't consider them "good" people either since all they seem to bash and degrading other people for voicing the truth.. but hard working ... yah maybe... and like i said in my other posts if you don't like the way our government works then move... there are millions of people waiting to come from other countries to fill your spot probably be more productive than taking what their family and friends say and say that that's the truth
Willie Granville

East Greenwich, RI

#18294 Nov 16, 2012
No Nonsense wrote:
<quoted text>
No, the jobs went to other countries because we have too many workers like you, no grasp of reality, just feel the employer owes them.
You kinda lost me, NO GRASP OF REALITY? Reality of what? Workers like me FEEL THE EMPLOYER OWES THEM? Your DARN RIGHT THEY OWE ME IF I DO A JOB FOR THEM. I know the CHECK IS FOR MONEY, BUT THE WORK IS FOR FREE. Jobs went overseas because of cheap labor, like many companies hire people here in this country from overseas for cheap labor. That is REALITY. It is called GREED. Get back with me and answer those questions, I would like to know.
Willie Granville

East Greenwich, RI

#18295 Nov 17, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> I agree. its the Parasite Takers versus the Productive Makers. If your money comes from the goverment coffers you are a parasite Taker. You job may be necessairy however the fact is your still a unproductive parasite taker. That money must be robbed (taxed)away from some producing maker. Or in the case of the 40 cents borrowed of every dollar the US goverment spends Robbed from some future Proucing maker. We have too many relatively high paid taking parasites and too few relatively lower paid making producers. Too many parasites are killing the host.
The one's I mention in my post as you call PARASITE TAKERS are the one's who is killing this Country. If you are not on PROBATION or in TROUBLE WITH THE LAW you are as useful as a BREAST ON A BORE HOG. The Lawyer makes money, the Judge, the Police etc., but the main thing is if you are working they LOVE YOU. They will say he/she is a working person they will pay the fine. They really don't want a POOR PIG they want a FAT PIG that way ALL OF THEM ARE HAPPY, HAPPY just like I was on Nov. 6, 2012. Later.
Willie Granville

East Greenwich, RI

#18296 Nov 17, 2012
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>Sounds like you have a miserable life. Maybe you should have paid for an education. Why are you so jealous of those who put their life on the line daily to make sure you are safe? You probably failed a state entrance exam or something like that and now have to serve up fries with those happy meals! I will pray for you!
I did have a MISERABLE LIFE at one time, living and dealing with a bunch of SOUTHERN GEORGE WALLACE DEMOCRATS, DUMB JESSE JACKSON HOLLY ROLLERS. Oh, yea I went to College, I put my life on the line every day to protect me ( sometime aganist those you think are protecting me), but that is your thoughts. Yes I do serve fries on most morning in N.H. to a 74 yr. old French Canadian man when I cook breakfast for both of us. This PAID EDUCATION YOU SPEAK OF, that is the problem. I have dealt with these EDUCATED FOOL FOR YEARS. In the Court Systems & SCHOOL SYSTEMS. You know what happen? I HAVE WHIPPED THEM ALL DAY LONG AND INTO THE NITE AND NIGHT. And do me a favor PLEASE. DON'T PRAY FOR ME. I CAN PRAY FOR MYSELF. So far I am doing OK. See Prayer is good in Pray MEETING BUT IT DON'T IN BEAR MEETINGS.
Willie Granville

East Greenwich, RI

#18297 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
NAFTA, my Friend. Signed by Clinton.
Had 8 years or so to be unsigned after Clinton. What happen?
frogmann

Pittsburgh, PA

#18298 Nov 17, 2012
youtube.com/watch...
at nine am im voting,,,

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18299 Nov 17, 2012
Willie Granville wrote:
<quoted text>Had 8 years or so to be unsigned after Clinton. What happen?
Make that 12 years. What happened is this; as I've stated numerous times here, both parties are corrupt and are to blame. Neither party abides by the Constitution. Their votes all revolve around what's in it for them, either more votes, or bribes.

So funny reading all the back and forth this morning and each blaming the other side for the mess. The reality is it is BOTH SIDES that caused these problems. What changes when power shifts from one party to the other? NOTHING. They are opposite sides of the same coin.

Welfare keeps going up.
Our freedoms are being usurped.
Our standing in the world keeps getting diminished.
We get involved in more and more wars.
More money gets stolen from our paychecks.
More laws are put in place for us to follow.
We are losing more of our rights.
Judges make laws.
Police abuse their power.
Taxes get higher.
Congress passes bills without reading them.
Congress votes themselves raises and benefits at our expense.
Citizens are arrested and detained with no charges brought.
Citizens are arrested and thrown in jail, sometimes forever, even though they never hurt anybody.
Congress wants to tell Americans what they can and cannot do, buy, or own, in the privacy of their own homes and cars.
The thoughts and actions of the citizens are controlled directly through the media.
People are made to feel guilty if they make a profit as though profit is a bad thing.
Other people feel like the government and society owes them something, even when they've done nothing to deserve it.

Republicans pander to the corporations.
Democrats pander to different corporations.

Republicans make promises to rich people and middle class people.
Democrats make promises to the poor people and the middle class people. No promises are never kept, unless there's something in it for somebody. The poor get poorer, even with democrats in power. The country gets poorer because the wars.

When a man stands up against all that, he is black-balled. We all know who that one man is.

Put that in your pipe (all of you) and smoke it.
Churmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#18300 Nov 17, 2012
Willie Granville wrote:
<quoted text>The one's I mention in my post as you call PARASITE TAKERS are the one's who is killing this Country. If you are not on PROBATION or in TROUBLE WITH THE LAW you are as useful as a BREAST ON A BORE HOG. The Lawyer makes money, the Judge, the Police etc., but the main thing is if you are working they LOVE YOU. They will say he/she is a working person they will pay the fine. They really don't want a POOR PIG they want a FAT PIG that way ALL OF THEM ARE HAPPY, HAPPY just like I was on Nov. 6, 2012. Later.
I behooves & enables the Law Enforcment & court system to have as many criminals & law breakers as possible. They encourage criminals! It generates revenue and enables their parasite existance. kinda like the fireman who was also a arsonist!
Churmudgeon

Ash Flat, AR

#18302 Nov 17, 2012
Guess wrote:
<quoted text>I would like to add something to my statement. If you think socailism and communism are so great, Then why is all the of the nations that are roiting at the moment are coming apart at the seams. Why you ask is cause socialism and communist don't work. It never works when the government rules over you with an iron fist. You need to face facts it's not the republicans that are socialists, it's obama that is and he's got you and several other believing that it's the greatest thing on earth. Well it ain't. I think you should move to one of them nations, see if it so grand. I don't even give you two weeks and you will be wanting to move back. Our founding fathers wanted us free not chained to a big government that over taxes it's people and spends way to much like the one we have. Why do you think our founding fathers come from another country to form a new government it's so you and I could have freedom. The tea partiers get it they want a smaller government not taxed to death and they want everyone free not government telling you what to do and when to do it. And they don't live in a fantasy land they see things as they are. As long as obama is president we will go broke, because all he knows how to do is spend you will see just how bad come january. The blaming bush thing is getting old he made some mistakes but for 4 years Obama has been president he is the one signing the checks. Guess what everything he has trying to do ain't worked now we are in 6 trillion more debt he has put on this nation. You ain't seen nothing yet. Things are fixing to get worst. You can't blame bush after all you helped put obama in office. Hannity was right when he says the people that voted for obama deserves what obama will do. I say you are liberal and all liberals live in a fantasy land they see things as that want them to be. WE CONSERVATIVES SEE THINGS AS THEY ARE AND LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD AND WE TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS. We don't do what you liberals do, you are always bashing us. Not us bashing you. I thank God I live in this nation but if people like you don't wake up and see Obama for who he is I afraid by the end of his four years we will lose the freedom that our founding fathers and millions of our fighting men and women died for.
yep it is all over. No use lamenting & crying over things the we had ought naught to do with and couldnt be effective at. its a sad end for our once great republic. and it wouldnt make much difference if Romney had won. The UN & NWO agenda along with the parasites who vote themselves money from the public coffers has taken its toll. The TITAN is no more. We are one clatyclismic or economic event away from social or economic collapse & utter chaios!!! and the events in the Euro countries and the Israel war mongering is a lit fuse! The republicans are equally to blame or thank it just depends on who you are and or your point of view. However when one door closes another opens.(the old for evey action there is an equal and opposite reaction) With the continuing clatyclismic end of an age earth changing events there will be a whole new adventure. and so what if the USA should collapse and break apart? It will make way for those who are self reliant & have know how to rise above the parasitic takers. The strongest craftiest fittese and most adaptable will prevail. I hope I live long enough to embrace the new adventure,s. If not that,s OK too!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#18305 Nov 17, 2012
Guess wrote:
yep this nation will be destoryed because good men stand by and do nothing. Until people wake up and see obama for who he is, Obama will continue to destory our nation pretty soon you will see I know what I'm talking about. Good men have stood by and let him.
Then they aren't that good, are they?
Churmudgeon

Horseshoe Bend, AR

#18306 Nov 17, 2012
Guess wrote:
yep this nation will be destoryed because good men stand by and do nothing. Until people wake up and see obama for who he is, Obama will continue to destory our nation pretty soon you will see I know what I'm talking about. Good men have stood by and let him.
Thats a cute saying but its not necessairly brilliant or correct. Its no better than the saying he who runs away will live to fight another day. Or hyou gotta know when to hold em when to fold them, when to walk away and when to run. The one I like best is you gotta know your limitations.
Churmudgeon

Horseshoe Bend, AR

#18307 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Then they aren't that good, are they?
Just what do you expect the (good men ) to do? most men and women for that matter just want a comfortable lifestyle and to provide for their loved ones. most arent killers or risk takers,there for the most part decient folks. Myself Im the greedy type with a killer instinct. Thats why I have more than most and resent the goverment wanting to redistrubute my hard fought plunder. What are the good men supposed to do start a unreasonable revolition or join the occupy movement or KKK? Sometimes the best thing is to do nothing until its absolutly unavoidable.
Willie Granville

East Greenwich, RI

#18308 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Make that 12 years. What happened is this; as I've stated numerous times here, both parties are corrupt and are to blame. Neither party abides by the Constitution. Their votes all revolve around what's in it for them, either more votes, or bribes.
So funny reading all the back and forth this morning and each blaming the other side for the mess. The reality is it is BOTH SIDES that caused these problems. What changes when power shifts from one party to the other? NOTHING. They are opposite sides of the same coin.
Welfare keeps going up.
Our freedoms are being usurped.
Our standing in the world keeps getting diminished.
We get involved in more and more wars.
More money gets stolen from our paychecks.
More laws are put in place for us to follow.
We are losing more of our rights.
Judges make laws.
Police abuse their power.
Taxes get higher.
Congress passes bills without reading them.
Congress votes themselves raises and benefits at our expense.
Citizens are arrested and detained with no charges brought.
Citizens are arrested and thrown in jail, sometimes forever, even though they never hurt anybody.
Congress wants to tell Americans what they can and cannot do, buy, or own, in the privacy of their own homes and cars.
The thoughts and actions of the citizens are controlled directly through the media.
People are made to feel guilty if they make a profit as though profit is a bad thing.
Other people feel like the government and society owes them something, even when they've done nothing to deserve it.
Republicans pander to the corporations.
Democrats pander to different corporations.
Republicans make promises to rich people and middle class people.
Democrats make promises to the poor people and the middle class people. No promises are never kept, unless there's something in it for somebody. The poor get poorer, even with democrats in power. The country gets poorer because the wars.
When a man stands up against all that, he is black-balled. We all know who that one man is.
Put that in your pipe (all of you) and smoke it.
Many things you say is true. All I can say (and have said) is if you see corruption and have a chance to do something about it do it. Let me say this I vote for the MAN or WOMAN I don't vote for a REPUBLICAN. I know some (so-called Democrats) that need to voted out and if it was up to my vote they would be. I just don't see and have never seen a Republican that I would vote for that would help all Americans.
Just Wondering

Jonesboro, AR

#18309 Nov 17, 2012
Willie Granville wrote:
<quoted text>Many things you say is true. All I can say (and have said) is if you see corruption and have a chance to do something about it do it. Let me say this I vote for the MAN or WOMAN I don't vote for a REPUBLICAN. I know some (so-called Democrats) that need to voted out and if it was up to my vote they would be. I just don't see and have never seen a Republican that I would vote for that would help all Americans.
Won't anybody play with you, you seem to go on and in about nothing. If you have problems sleeping, reread your posts, that should put you to sleep.
WARRIOR

Alamogordo, NM

#18310 Nov 17, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you even know what an insult is? If they had listened to him a few years earlier, 3000 people would STILL BE HERE! He PREDICTED IT!! He warned us the terrorists were coming. As usual HE WAS RIGHT!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =vpdf_UtvSpEXX
I saw your hero on Stossel earlier. He is still a nut. I can see why you didn't vote for him.
Willie Granville

East Greenwich, RI

#18311 Nov 17, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> I behooves & enables the Law Enforcment & court system to have as many criminals & law breakers as possible. They encourage criminals! It generates revenue and enables their parasite existance. kinda like the fireman who was also a arsonist!
They don't encourage criminals, they MAKE CRIMINALS. All of the Government Employee I have mention are working side by side helping each other out, while working people support them. In other words when they break the law they got a friend in office to take care of it. I have saw the PROGRAM in process for years.

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