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Reality Check

Camden, AR

#25572 Jun 26, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
You're anti choice, is that "following the Constitution AS IT'S WRITTEN"? Obviously not!
It would appear you have interpreted it to be. Or is your reason based on religious belief which the Constitution clearly states as a U.S. citizen you have the right to refrain from any religion.
Who is this "we" you mention above.
Has our brave independent had a slip of his keyboard and inadvertently claimed association with a political group?
A group such as the T.E.A. party perhaps?
You have gone a long way to say that I was speaking of God or religion in general in the Constitution when, in fact, I was not.
Since you went there, I will answer your accusation. While the Constitution doesn't mention God one single time, you are correct that individuals can choose to be free from religion. However to say that the Constitution wasn't inspired by God's word is completely false. Our founders were deeply relilgious people and that religion was Christianity. Each session of Congress opened with 3-4 hours of prayer each day BEFORE one order of business was conducted. The content of the Constitution came directly from Biblical principles derived from Bible study and prayer. The fact that God was ommitted from the Constitution is a Christian principle in itself. Christianity never forces itself on anyone but rather is to be shown to the lost for the lost to accept or reject it. If God's Word is rejected then the person who rejected it will have to deal with the eternal consequences but the person who presented the Gospel will receive blessing from God for following The Great Commission regardless of success or failure. This is the sole reason that God was left out of the Constitution. Our founding fathers were mature enough in their Christian faith to know they couldn't force God's Word on anyone but to say the Constitution doesn't contain God is wrong because it does.
WARRIOR

Washington, DC

#25573 Jun 26, 2013
Redd Neckerson wrote:
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Vaseline should be capitalized Shakespeare.
What a dumb-ass.
LMAO! You got me, I can't argue with an EXPERT on VASELINE! LMFAO!
Redd Neckerson

Little Rock, AR

#25574 Jun 26, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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If following the Constitution AS IT'S WRITTEN, not as it's interpreted, is extremism then I'm a extremist. If my way ends in blood, the way we conduct ourselve is farther away from the Constitution than I thought in which case, there's no hope for your moderation either.
Haters hate...and all it took was a Black President. Being a somewhat reasonable Conservative, you will disagree but it permeates a large sector of our society...ignoring it won't make it go away.

Maybe it is nearing a time to rethink our commitment to each other as a Society, as a Nation.
Redd Neckerson

Little Rock, AR

#25575 Jun 26, 2013
WARRIOR wrote:
<quoted text>LMAO! You got me, I can't argue with an EXPERT on VASELINE! LMFAO!
You are actually not capable of argument, just juvenile nonsense.
Redd Neckerson

Little Rock, AR

#25576 Jun 26, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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While the Constitution doesn't mention God one single time, you are correct that individuals can choose to be free from religion. However to say that the Constitution wasn't inspired by God's word is completely false. Our founders were deeply relilgious people and that religion was Christianity.
Many of the most well known decision makers were Deist.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25577 Jun 26, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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You have gone a long way to say that I was speaking of God or religion in general in the Constitution when, in fact, I was not.
Since you went there, I will answer your accusation. While the Constitution doesn't mention God one single time, you are correct that individuals can choose to be free from religion. However to say that the Constitution wasn't inspired by God's word is completely false. Our founders were deeply relilgious people and that religion was Christianity. Each session of Congress opened with 3-4 hours of prayer each day BEFORE one order of business was conducted. The content of the Constitution came directly from Biblical principles derived from Bible study and prayer. The fact that God was ommitted from the Constitution is a Christian principle in itself. Christianity never forces itself on anyone but rather is to be shown to the lost for the lost to accept or reject it. If God's Word is rejected then the person who rejected it will have to deal with the eternal consequences but the person who presented the Gospel will receive blessing from God for following The Great Commission regardless of success or failure. This is the sole reason that God was left out of the Constitution. Our founding fathers were mature enough in their Christian faith to know they couldn't force God's Word on anyone but to say the Constitution doesn't contain God is wrong because it does.
You are wrong on several things in this post.

Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington harbored a pantheistic sense of providential destiny, John Adams began a Congregationalist and ended a Unitarian, Hamilton was a lukewarm Anglican for most of his life but embraced a more actively Christian posture after his son died in a duel.

Benjamin Franklin made a suggestion at the Constitutional Convention that the sessions be opened with a prayer. The delegates refused to accept the motion stating that there was not enough money to hire a chaplain.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25578 Jun 26, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
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You are wrong on several things in this post.
Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington harbored a pantheistic sense of providential destiny, John Adams began a Congregationalist and ended a Unitarian, Hamilton was a lukewarm Anglican for most of his life but embraced a more actively Christian posture after his son died in a duel.
Benjamin Franklin made a suggestion at the Constitutional Convention that the sessions be opened with a prayer. The delegates refused to accept the motion stating that there was not enough money to hire a chaplain.
The Founding Fathers were well read and knowledgeable in the history of democracy. Some of the common documents cited as part of the influence include:•The Mayflower Compact (1620)
•The Magna Carta (1215)

•Early state documents including those of Connecticut and Massachusetts
•The English Bill of Rights (1689)
•The Articles of Confederation (1777)

I guess they forgot bible study.
Reality Check

Lonoke, AR

#25579 Jun 26, 2013
Redd Neckerson wrote:
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Haters hate...and all it took was a Black President. Being a somewhat reasonable Conservative, you will disagree but it permeates a large sector of our society...ignoring it won't make it go away.
Maybe it is nearing a time to rethink our commitment to each other as a Society, as a Nation.
I personally don't understand racism but to say that it doesn't exist in America would be irresponsible. It is just as irresponsible to say that the vast majority of racism comes from whites. As for our black president, it is his record and anti-American agenda that people hate and not his skin color. His skin color is just a crutch liberals use to try to hide Obama's agenda. Your right, we do need to rethink our commitment to each other as a Society and as a Nation. But that will NEVER happen until the left lets go of the race card, stops creating race tension where there would have been none, and starts giving people credit for who they are and what they do based on their actions and not the color of their skin.
Reality Check

Lonoke, AR

#25580 Jun 26, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
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You are wrong on several things in this post.
Franklin and Jefferson were deists, Washington harbored a pantheistic sense of providential destiny, John Adams began a Congregationalist and ended a Unitarian, Hamilton was a lukewarm Anglican for most of his life but embraced a more actively Christian posture after his son died in a duel.
Benjamin Franklin made a suggestion at the Constitutional Convention that the sessions be opened with a prayer. The delegates refused to accept the motion stating that there was not enough money to hire a chaplain.
So Franklin and Jefferson believed in God just not organized religion, Hamilton was a lukewarm Christian but became a solid Christian later in life. Franklin asked that the Constitutional Convention be opened up with prayer and was denied BUT they did break for prayer in that same convention. There were close to 100 people in the first Congress and you give me 3 examples and every one of them believed God had a place in government. And Congress did open each session up with 3-4 hours of prayer whether you like it or not.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25581 Jun 26, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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I personally don't understand racism but to say that it doesn't exist in America would be irresponsible. It is just as irresponsible to say that the vast majority of racism comes from whites. As for our black president, it is his record and anti-American agenda that people hate and not his skin color. His skin color is just a crutch liberals use to try to hide Obama's agenda. Your right, we do need to rethink our commitment to each other as a Society and as a Nation. But that will NEVER happen until the left lets go of the race card, stops creating race tension where there would have been none, and starts giving people credit for who they are and what they do based on their actions and not the color of their skin.
I would like to know what you consider to be President Obama's

"anti-American agenda".

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25582 Jun 26, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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So Franklin and Jefferson believed in God just not organized religion, Hamilton was a lukewarm Christian but became a solid Christian later in life. Franklin asked that the Constitutional Convention be opened up with prayer and was denied BUT they did break for prayer in that same convention. There were close to 100 people in the first Congress and you give me 3 examples and every one of them believed God had a place in government. And Congress did open each session up with 3-4 hours of prayer whether you like it or not.
Thomas Jefferson said that the Declaration of Independence was "an expression of the American mind." Now, if he had said it was "an expression of the American faith," like the Religious Right currently claims (and retrojects into the document), they might have a point.

Most were deists (in the classical sense where an individual's relationship with God is impersonal), though their individual religious stances were as varied as night and day.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25583 Jun 26, 2013
OH yeah what is your source for this-

"3-4 hours of prayer"
Redd Neckerson

Little Rock, AR

#25584 Jun 27, 2013
Educateder wrote:
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I would think with the lubricants necessitated by the gay life style, underwear soling would be on the rise with the SC ruling
Why makes one's flawless Christian mind even go there?
Redd Neckerson

Little Rock, AR

#25585 Jun 27, 2013
Do some of you actually think that mankind has existed for only seven thousand years.
Reality Check

Little Rock, AR

#25586 Jun 27, 2013
Redd Neckerson wrote:
Do some of you actually think that mankind has existed for only seven thousand years.
Do some think that the earth has actually been around for billions of years and that man was created because two rocks collided in space or any host of other "explinations" sicentist have gone to when their current theory is proved to be false. The current belief among the science community is parallel universes that we can't see are constantly expanding and contracting. When two of these unseen universes expand into each other a "big bang" results and this is what created the earth and all living things. Now that we have crossed over into the "believe me, it's there but you can't see it" theory, science has basically insulated itself from questions into the validity of their theory from people who aren't smart enough to understand the explination behind the scientists lies. The theory behind the original big bang of two rocks colliding was disproved because when the science community traced back the origins of life to the big bang the laws of physics simply fell apart because they couldn't facilitate such an explosion. My question is that if such an explosion couldn't be contained in the original big bang theroy then how can the current big bang theory of parallel universes be contained by the same laws of physics that couldn't contain the original big bang? C'mon Redd use some common sense.
Reality Check

Little Rock, AR

#25587 Jun 27, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
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I would like to know what you consider to be President Obama's
"anti-American agenda".
Socialism. If you will be honest enough with yourself and study just a little bit of American history you will find that freedom from a socialistic government is why America exists today. It's why our founders made the Declaration of Independence in the first place, it's how the tea ended up in Boston Harbor, it's how the American Revolution came about. In short, Obama is taking this country to the very place we were willing to fight and die to get away from.
Reality Check

Little Rock, AR

#25588 Jun 27, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
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Thomas Jefferson said that the Declaration of Independence was "an expression of the American mind." Now, if he had said it was "an expression of the American faith," like the Religious Right currently claims (and retrojects into the document), they might have a point.
Most were deists (in the classical sense where an individual's relationship with God is impersonal), though their individual religious stances were as varied as night and day.
The Christian faith is why there is no mention of God in the Constitution whether you want to admit it or not. As a non-Christian, I wouldn't expect you to know that anyway. You look at Christianity through secular eyes which only look for ways to discredit Christianity. If you actually studied what God's word is ACTUALLY about you would find the truth though I don't expect you to make the effort. It goes back to the point I have made to you what seems like thousands of times. Stop listening to outside sources to form your opinion and look for yourself at tangible things that you see the source of the information youself. Quit relying on fabrications from politically biased sources.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25589 Jun 27, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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The Christian faith is why there is no mention of God in the Constitution whether you want to admit it or not. As a non-Christian, I wouldn't expect you to know that anyway. You look at Christianity through secular eyes which only look for ways to discredit Christianity. If you actually studied what God's word is ACTUALLY about you would find the truth though I don't expect you to make the effort. It goes back to the point I have made to you what seems like thousands of times. Stop listening to outside sources to form your opinion and look for yourself at tangible things that you see the source of the information youself. Quit relying on fabrications from politically biased sources.
Now would it have not been counter productive to mention God in the Constitution when the First Amendment prohibits government from establishing a religion and protects each person's right to practice (or not practice) any faith without government interference?

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25590 Jun 27, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
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Socialism. If you will be honest enough with yourself and study just a little bit of American history you will find that freedom from a socialistic government is why America exists today. It's why our founders made the Declaration of Independence in the first place, it's how the tea ended up in Boston Harbor, it's how the American Revolution came about. In short, Obama is taking this country to the very place we were willing to fight and die to get away from.
"Socialism", is that your answer to why you said President Obama has an "anti-American agenda".

Very well then, please explain the exact actions of this President that draws you to that conclusion.

Since: Dec 10

Washington DC

#25591 Jun 27, 2013
Tell me something, if The Christian faith is why there is no mention of God in the Constitution, is it the Christian faith the chaplains for the Senate and the house are paid by U.S. tax payer dollars.

Don't you think some Christian soldiers would have done that job for free. If you do, you better read a little history.

Maybe God was pissed he was left out of the constitution and told them Christian soldiers not to do it for free.

At best it is hypocritical, not to mention unconstitutional, paying the clergy with Tax payer dollars, when the separation of church is clearly written.

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