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Lonoke, AR

#24597 Apr 19, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
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While we are opining here, maybe, just maybe the Gun Industry and the NRA are in cahoots. Maybe they really are not Everyday Joe's best friend after all and instead purposely perpetuate a culture of fear and violence aimed at creating maximum profits around the world. Could it be that these two entities have, by their enormous monetary expenditures and world-wide media support, gained too much power over our political process? Is that even the remotest possibility?
I would doubt it but anything in this crazy world is possible. To be more powerful than the political machine, the black market would have to be a factor and that goes against the responsible gun ownership the NRA supports and stands for.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24598 Apr 20, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
I would doubt it but anything in this crazy world is possible. To be more powerful than the political machine, the black market would have to be a factor and that goes against the responsible gun ownership the NRA supports and stands for.
Maybe once stood for, everything's politicized now.

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24599 Apr 20, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
I would doubt it but anything in this crazy world is possible. To be more powerful than the political machine, the black market would have to be a factor and that goes against the responsible gun ownership the NRA supports and stands for.
Follow the money..........

NRA- annual budget 250 million dollars.

Money Spent to Influence Federal Elections

*•NRA + Pro Gun Groups =$53 million

•Brady + Gun Control Groups =$3 million

That equals this-

One out of four gun owners called their elected official.

One out of ten non gun owners called their elected officials on the issue of, extended back ground checks.

As for the black market..........

Fact: The Criminal market = 25% of the gun industry’s annual sales.*•The NRA fights to protect this market share.

They must defeat any law that would make it harder for criminals to get guns e.g. laws to stop gun trafficking, close the gun show loophole, etc.

THEN SAY

“You need a gun with you at all times to protect you from armed criminals.”

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24600 Apr 20, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
I would doubt it but anything in this crazy world is possible. To be more powerful than the political machine, the black market would have to be a factor and that goes against the responsible gun ownership the NRA supports and stands for.
Unfortunately R. C. responsibility on occasion plays second chair to money.

There is a book that talks about that, its called the King James Version, and it says this;

For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.


I guess he is also saying that sorrow also plays second chair to money.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24601 Apr 20, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately R. C. responsibility on occasion plays second chair to money.
There is a book that talks about that, its called the King James Version, and it says this;
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
I guess he is also saying that sorrow also plays second chair to money.
Judgement Day is going to be interesting.

Reality Check

Lonoke, AR

#24603 Apr 20, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
Unfortunately R. C. responsibility on occasion plays second chair to money.
There is a book that talks about that, its called the King James Version, and it says this;
For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
I guess he is also saying that sorrow also plays second chair to money.
An organization's members are a direct reflection of it's leadership. The vast majority of NRA members are some of the most responsible law abiding citizens in America so one can probably come to the conclusion that the NRA leadership acts in the same manner. Because the NRA is so large there is a lot of money associated with it. With money comes influence and power, that's just the way it is. By comparison the Government Service Agency (GSA) members are anything but responsible citizens. Their stated values are as follows:

Integrity
Accountability and transparency in operations
Effective leadership
Responsible decision-making

If you will remember the lavish parties that were thrown, and the stupid videos that were put on youtube? All done with our tax dollars. Why? Because it's a direct reflection of their leadership. If the NRA is as you and most liberals believe they are then their members would also act in the same way. Much like the GSA. I'm not an NRA member but I look at the evidence to draw my conclusion until contrary evidence is provided. You would do well to do the same.

As for the Bible verse you referenced, it is saying that replacing God as the number one priority of your life with money will bring sorrow instead of happiness. Sorrow is the byproduct of greed. The more greed in ones life, the more sorrow.
Reality Check

Lonoke, AR

#24604 Apr 20, 2013
BARNEYII wrote:
<quoted text>
Follow the money..........
NRA- annual budget 250 million dollars.
Money Spent to Influence Federal Elections
*•NRA + Pro Gun Groups =$53 million
•Brady + Gun Control Groups =$3 million
That equals this-
One out of four gun owners called their elected official.
One out of ten non gun owners called their elected officials on the issue of, extended back ground checks.
As for the black market..........
Fact: The Criminal market = 25% of the gun industry’s annual sales.*•The NRA fights to protect this market share.
They must defeat any law that would make it harder for criminals to get guns e.g. laws to stop gun trafficking, close the gun show loophole, etc.
THEN SAY
“You need a gun with you at all times to protect you from armed criminals.”
I don't agree with any lobbyist BUT the NRA made that money legally and may spend it in any manner they see fit. For every NRA there is a union or some tree-hugging lobbyist doing the same things. They all should be told to go home as far as I'm concerned. As far as I know there is no evidence that clearly shows that the NRA has any interest in keeping the black market gun sales flourishing.
CHBordelon

Conway, AR

#24606 Apr 20, 2013
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Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24607 Apr 21, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't agree with any lobbyist BUT the NRA made that money legally and may spend it in any manner they see fit. For every NRA there is a union or some tree-hugging lobbyist doing the same things. They all should be told to go home as far as I'm concerned. As far as I know there is no evidence that clearly shows that the NRA has any interest in keeping the black market gun sales flourishing.
Without unions many children could still be working at 8 or 10, uneducated and leading a short, dismal life.

I don't understand the hatred for environmentalist, we both know that there could already be solutions to our energy needs without depleting every last drop of oil, destroying every landscape, hellbent to deny future generationalal needs..have been since the Seventies...and we both know exactly why those solutions aren't being used today. Our Country is falling behind, take a look at the advancements being made in the Scandinavian Countries. We are exactly where those that really control this Country want us, at war with each other while neglecting our own self interest.

But hey, I haven't much time left on this beautiful pre-apocalyptic paradise we inherited...maybe the next residents will learn from our mistakes
Another ElDo Guy

El Dorado, AR

#24608 Apr 21, 2013
Hmmm, Sure there are alternatives to fossil fuels. Just none of them are competitive. When something viable comes along the fossil fuels vehicles will disappear. Look at horse power. Vanished off the streets within 20 years of the mass produced vehicle.
Horse transportation was based on renewable resources.Why aren't environmentalist proposing to bring that back?
Tree products are the most successful renewable resource business in the world. Yet my whole life I've heard about saving the trees. Why don't the renewable resource environmentalist proponents promoting more tree use?
Ethanol only extracts a small amount of the available energy out of corn. It would be far more efficient to promote using corn furnaces in peoples homes instead of natural gas. Then the natural gas could be used directly to power our cars. Much friendly on the environment that the current E10 ethanol blends in our gasoline.
How about the hydrogen economy. I hear a lot of environmentalist say that is where we should be headed. The problem is hydrogen is made from fossil fuels. The only way to get green house gas friendly hydrogen would be to make it by electrolysis from nuclear power electricity or solar powered electricity.
The contempt for environmentalist comes from their own inconsistencies, bad science, and hypocracy. i.e. Al Gore flying around the country in his jet telling the rest of us we should cut down on the amount of fossil fuels we use.
If we were a free market economy a solution might come to market. But we aren't. The ethanol business only exists because of goverment mandates. The nuclear business died due to government regulation.
Unions: I agree. Unions gave the people power over greedy abusive negligent company owners. Desparately needed. Unions are fading now because governmental laws finally caught up. The one area where we needed governmental protection and they failed. They didn't do anything until the people banded together in unions for their own protection

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24610 Apr 21, 2013
Another ElDo Guy wrote:
Hmmm, Sure there are alternatives to fossil fuels. Just none of them are competitive. When something viable comes along the fossil fuels vehicles will disappear. Look at horse power. Vanished off the streets within 20 years of the mass produced vehicle.
Horse transportation was based on renewable resources.Why aren't environmentalist proposing to bring that back?
Tree products are the most successful renewable resource business in the world. Yet my whole life I've heard about saving the trees. Why don't the renewable resource environmentalist proponents promoting more tree use?
Ethanol only extracts a small amount of the available energy out of corn. It would be far more efficient to promote using corn furnaces in peoples homes instead of natural gas. Then the natural gas could be used directly to power our cars. Much friendly on the environment that the current E10 ethanol blends in our gasoline.
How about the hydrogen economy. I hear a lot of environmentalist say that is where we should be headed. The problem is hydrogen is made from fossil fuels. The only way to get green house gas friendly hydrogen would be to make it by electrolysis from nuclear power electricity or solar powered electricity.
The contempt for environmentalist comes from their own inconsistencies, bad science, and hypocracy. i.e. Al Gore flying around the country in his jet telling the rest of us we should cut down on the amount of fossil fuels we use.
If we were a free market economy a solution might come to market. But we aren't. The ethanol business only exists because of goverment mandates. The nuclear business died due to government regulation.
Unions: I agree. Unions gave the people power over greedy abusive negligent company owners. Desparately needed. Unions are fading now because governmental laws finally caught up. The one area where we needed governmental protection and they failed. They didn't do anything until the people banded together in unions for their own protection
I found your post interesting, in the equation of contempt for environmentalist you can also include those who cannot see the forest for the Tree.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24611 Apr 21, 2013
Another ElDo Guy wrote:
Hmmm, Sure there are alternatives to fossil fuels. Just none of them are competitive. When something viable comes along the fossil fuels vehicles will disappear. Look at horse power. Vanished off the streets within 20 years of the mass produced vehicle.
Horse transportation was based on renewable resources.Why aren't environmentalist proposing to bring that back?
Tree products are the most successful renewable resource business in the world. Yet my whole life I've heard about saving the trees. Why don't the renewable resource environmentalist proponents promoting more tree use?
Ethanol only extracts a small amount of the available energy out of corn. It would be far more efficient to promote using corn furnaces in peoples homes instead of natural gas. Then the natural gas could be used directly to power our cars. Much friendly on the environment that the current E10 ethanol blends in our gasoline.
How about the hydrogen economy. I hear a lot of environmentalist say that is where we should be headed. The problem is hydrogen is made from fossil fuels. The only way to get green house gas friendly hydrogen would be to make it by electrolysis from nuclear power electricity or solar powered electricity.
The contempt for environmentalist comes from their own inconsistencies, bad science, and hypocracy. i.e. Al Gore flying around the country in his jet telling the rest of us we should cut down on the amount of fossil fuels we use.
If we were a free market economy a solution might come to market. But we aren't. The ethanol business only exists because of goverment mandates. The nuclear business died due to government regulation.
Unions: I agree. Unions gave the people power over greedy abusive negligent company owners. Desparately needed. Unions are fading now because governmental laws finally caught up. The one area where we needed governmental protection and they failed. They didn't do anything until the people banded together in unions for their own protection
Agree with your post, many good points, especially the corn debacle, couple of exceptions though.

There is abundant hydrogen in sea water.
Al Gore is failed politician, a silver-spooned, monied entrepreneur, a adulterer, and doesn't fit what I think of as a true environmentalist.
Where would we be if during the oil crisis of the Seventies we had demanded developing alternatives to fossil fuel powered transportation.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24612 Apr 21, 2013
Forgot to add, I agree a hundred percent with the success story behind renewable forest management, I also agree with those advocating protecting our rare and endangered old growth areas from the axe.

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24613 Apr 21, 2013
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
What difference does it make in the unimaginable vastness of the universe what a carbon based life-form, on a insignificant chunk of space debris, orbiting a third rate star, surrounded by one of several billion galaxies, believes or doesn't?
Just feel fortunate to have lived and loved to our best ability and to have caused the least amount of pain and suffering possible.
God has no limits, is utterly boundless, completely incomprehensible.
Still, I hope for those true believers who do.
Fortunate, indeed I do.

"completely incomprehensible", no argument there.

Which was my meaning from a personal view point. Difficult to understand.

When Napoleon asked Laplace, how God fitted into this system, he replied, "Sire, I have not needed that hypothesis".

I do see a need.
Former Iowa resident

Ash Flat, AR

#24614 Apr 21, 2013
Another ElDo Guy wrote:
Hmmm, Sure there are alternatives to fossil fuels. Just none of them are competitive. When something viable comes along the fossil fuels vehicles will disappear. Look at horse power. Vanished off the streets within 20 years of the mass produced vehicle.
Horse transportation was based on renewable resources.Why aren't environmentalist proposing to bring that back?
Tree products are the most successful renewable resource business in the world. Yet my whole life I've heard about saving the trees. Why don't the renewable resource environmentalist proponents promoting more tree use?
Ethanol only extracts a small amount of the available energy out of corn. It would be far more efficient to promote using corn furnaces in peoples homes instead of natural gas. Then the natural gas could be used directly to power our cars. Much friendly on the environment that the current E10 ethanol blends in our gasoline.
How about the hydrogen economy. I hear a lot of environmentalist say that is where we should be headed. The problem is hydrogen is made from fossil fuels. The only way to get green house gas friendly hydrogen would be to make it by electrolysis from nuclear power electricity or solar powered electricity.
The contempt for environmentalist comes from their own inconsistencies, bad science, and hypocracy. i.e. Al Gore flying around the country in his jet telling the rest of us we should cut down on the amount of fossil fuels we use.
If we were a free market economy a solution might come to market. But we aren't. The ethanol business only exists because of goverment mandates. The nuclear business died due to government regulation.
Unions: I agree. Unions gave the people power over greedy abusive negligent company owners. Desparately needed. Unions are fading now because governmental laws finally caught up. The one area where we needed governmental protection and they failed. They didn't do anything until the people banded together in unions for their own protection
"The ethanol business only exists because of goverment mandates"
So you saying the government mandates that, ethanol, or ethyl alcohol, put into hairspray, mouthwash, aftershave, cologne, and perfume ,deodorants, lotions, hand sanitizers, soaps, and shampoos?
The characteristics of ethyl alcohol make it a prime carrier for a whole spectrum of medicines including cough treatments, decongestants, iodine solution, and many others. As a solvent for the pharmaceutical industry, ethanol is useful for processing antibiotics, vaccines, tablets, pills, and vitamins.
Ethanol is used as a solvent in the manufacture of many other substances including paints, lacquer, and explosives. Industrial ethanol is used as a raw material for the production of vinegar and yeast, and similarly in chemical processing as a chemical intermediate.
Even food products like extracts, flavorings, and glazes contain large amounts of alcohol. The ethanol is also used in some liquid animal feed products as an energy source.
Many cleaning products contain high volumes of industrial alcohol. A bottle of household disinfectant spray can contain nearly 80 percent ethanol.

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24615 Apr 21, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
An organization's members are a direct reflection of it's leadership. The vast majority of NRA members are some of the most responsible law abiding citizens in America so one can probably come to the conclusion that the NRA leadership acts in the same manner. Because the NRA is so large there is a lot of money associated with it. With money comes influence and power, that's just the way it is. By comparison the Government Service Agency (GSA) members are anything but responsible citizens. Their stated values are as follows:
Integrity
Accountability and transparency in operations
Effective leadership
Responsible decision-making
If you will remember the lavish parties that were thrown, and the stupid videos that were put on youtube? All done with our tax dollars. Why? Because it's a direct reflection of their leadership. If the NRA is as you and most liberals believe they are then their members would also act in the same way. Much like the GSA. I'm not an NRA member but I look at the evidence to draw my conclusion until contrary evidence is provided. You would do well to do the same.
As for the Bible verse you referenced, it is saying that replacing God as the number one priority of your life with money will bring sorrow instead of happiness. Sorrow is the byproduct of greed. The more greed in ones life, the more sorrow.
You are obviously proof that one can come to that conclusion. I will also be so bold as to say, in my opinion, you have to be blind in one eye and can not see good out of the other, to reach that conclusion.

Odd that you say something like that when the Orgnazation is loosing some of its elite members.

Another prominent member of the NRA, Adolphus Busch IV, heir to the Busch family brewing fortune, decided to resign his membership on Thursday.

"The NRA I see today has undermined the values upon which it was established," he wrote in a letter to NRA President David Keene. "Your current strategic focus clearly places priority on the needs of gun and ammunition manufacturers while disregarding the opinions of your 4 million individual members."

To compare a handful of government employees who made some bad
and very ignorant choices,(were held accountable for their actions) by leadership, to a public org. with four million members, you have to be blind in both eyes.

The Bible verse- if that is what he meant, why did he not just say what he meant.

If what he said is to be interpreted, as you just did, how are you so sure your interpretation is a correct one?

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24616 Apr 21, 2013
oops' Organization .
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24617 Apr 21, 2013
Former Iowa resident wrote:
<quoted text>
"The ethanol business only exists because of goverment mandates"
So you saying the government mandates that, ethanol, or ethyl alcohol, put into hairspray, mouthwash, aftershave, cologne, and perfume ,deodorants, lotions, hand sanitizers, soaps, and shampoos?
The characteristics of ethyl alcohol make it a prime carrier for a whole spectrum of medicines including cough treatments, decongestants, iodine solution, and many others. As a solvent for the pharmaceutical industry, ethanol is useful for processing antibiotics, vaccines, tablets, pills, and vitamins.
Ethanol is used as a solvent in the manufacture of many other substances including paints, lacquer, and explosives. Industrial ethanol is used as a raw material for the production of vinegar and yeast, and similarly in chemical processing as a chemical intermediate.
Even food products like extracts, flavorings, and glazes contain large amounts of alcohol. The ethanol is also used in some liquid animal feed products as an energy source.
Many cleaning products contain high volumes of industrial alcohol. A bottle of household disinfectant spray can contain nearly 80 percent ethanol.
I think he was referring to fuel.
Hmmm

Little Rock, AR

#24618 Apr 21, 2013
Reality Check wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorrow is the byproduct of greed. The more greed in ones life, the more sorrow.
Then I must be one of least greedy people around.

Since: Dec 10

Kansas City Ks.

#24619 Apr 21, 2013
OH yes, I forgot, that (GSA) members thing, would you apply that same theory to the leadership in the Republican majority house.

A Republican congressman representing Kansas has apologized for embarrassing his supporters by skinny dipping at the holy site of the Sea of Galilee while on a fact-finding mission to Israel.

Freshman U.S. Rep. Kevin Yoder, 36, has not been charged in the Aug. 18, 2011, incident in which he and about 20 other lawmakers and staff members jumped into the water. Politico reported Sunday that he was the only one among them who wore no clothes.

(Related: FBI Investigates GOP Members After Nude Swim Incident in Israel)

“It’s an embarrassing situation, and I regret it,” Yoder said during an interview on public radio station KCUR-FM in Kansas City, Mo.“I know that many constituents out there are sort of scratching their heads, saying,`What is this guy up to? What was he doing? What was he thinking?’”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2012/08/20/ma...

You know of the BLAZE, THE ONE RUN BY GLEN BECK?

Or maybe even State level republicans,

The Benton County (Arkansas) Republican newsletter contained a call for Republican legislators who voted to expand Obamacare in the state to be shot.

Chris Nogy, the husband of the county Republican Party secretary, was so upset at Republican state legislators that he called for them to be shot in the county party newsletter

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