THE Lords Ranch. The Truth From People Who Have Been There.

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I've never been at the LORD's RANCH- but I've worked with foster children for years. I want to say that many kids that were abused or neglected have behaviors that are not what people would expect. They loved their parents in spite of the abuse and are angry at the "system" that removed them. Often they figure out what will bug you and do that behavior over and over- trying to recreate the environment they came out of. Some will become totally depressed if you baby them too much- to the point they cannot function. Some have attachment disorders that cause a lot of behaviors (killing animals, lying for no reason, destroying things, always have "pain" or "sickness" somewhere. This makes it challenging for untrained people to care for them properly. They do best with loving structure. There is too much to write here- but after training and experience I found it worth the effort to work with these kids. By the way, parents are never given big checks to give away their children. That is simply not true. Makes me question some of the other statements made here by this girl. Beware.

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I saw a white suburban with a pretty woman from the lords ranch meet a black guy on wal-mart parking lot a couple of friday nights ago. he was in a black colored avalanche truck. they left together and came back later and went separate ways. late at night, seemed kinda odd.
it may have been a date. some staff have off days, perhaps they were meeting each other. most staff tried to keep who they were seeing a secret until they were engaged to be married. it was silly to try to do that because most of us found out who was with who.

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I've never been at the LORD's RANCH- but I've worked with foster children for years. I want to say that many kids that were abused or neglected have behaviors that are not what people would expect. They loved their parents in spite of the abuse and are angry at the "system" that removed them. Often they figure out what will bug you and do that behavior over and over- trying to recreate the environment they came out of. Some will become totally depressed if you baby them too much- to the point they cannot function. Some have attachment disorders that cause a lot of behaviors (killing animals, lying for no reason, destroying things, always have "pain" or "sickness" somewhere. This makes it challenging for untrained people to care for them properly. They do best with loving structure. There is too much to write here- but after training and experience I found it worth the effort to work with these kids. By the way, parents are never given big checks to give away their children. That is simply not true. Makes me question some of the other statements made here by this girl. Beware.
my adopted parents got money from the state of texas to take care of me and my sister, you werent there so you dont know. we had government aid for medical and other things. they also told them if my sister and i had mental problems they could get a check for me and my siter. thats something they should of never told them because they spent a lot of time looking for dr.s and trying to get my sister and i diagnosed with a mental disorder. i was put on all kinds of meds that i didnt need, and one of the meds i was on made me the way i am now which i will be explaining that later on. the reason my adopted mom couldnt take care of us was because of the way she was brought up herself. she didnt know how to show love because she came from a family that didnt give affection. i will be telling more about my adopted family leading up to how i went to the home. ive been busy and havnt had the time. im about to go do something so maybe later today or tonight i will have the time to sit down and explain my situation. it dosnt matter to me if you believe me or not, im just simply telling my story the good and the bad of it all. the system may have failed me but i am not a victim nor do i want or expect anyone to feel sorry for me. There are other people out there who have had a hard life too. This isnt a pity me story this is a real life story about me. im all grown up now and i understand things better than i did when i was a child. i treat my own children with love and respect.when they do something wrong they get a time out or sent to their room. after they are done with their time out i explain to them what they did wrong. i tell them i love them and give them a hug and a kiss. my children respect me but do not fear me, they know that they can come talk to me whenever they need too, most importantly they trust me. i give them all the hugs and kisses they want, and spend time with them goofing off and being silly with them. i also know first hand the challenges of having a child with mental and behavior problems. one of my children has an autism disorder, but you can bet your bottom dollar i wont be giving my child away to someone else to take care of just because it can be difficult and hard a times to handle. also just to let you know i have a great relationship with my biological father. he was never the reason i got taken away. my biological mother had a lot of issues. My dad worked all day long while my mom would sleep all day. when they took us away my dad tried to keep us but they told him there was no way he could take care of five kids by himself. My foster parents are the ones who abused my sister and i. i will talk about my adopted parents and the events that led up to me going to the home later on. i have other things i need to do.

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Jessica, I just want to tell you that I'm sorry you were mistreated as a child by obviously many of the people who should have been trying to protect you and show you love. But, I am so glad that you were able to turn it around and become a happy adult! <3
As for those of you putting her down, why don't you just leave her alone? Her posts have the ring of truth if you read them for what they are which is a young woman trying to tell her story!!
thank you for understanding.
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I saw a white suburban with a pretty woman from the lords ranch meet a black guy on wal-mart parking lot a couple of friday nights ago. he was in a black colored avalanche truck. they left together and came back later and went separate ways. late at night, seemed kinda odd.
News Flash....they are married!!!
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I would say that what I have to say is definitely not a success story. I sent my daughter there in hope of getting her the help that I failed to find anywhere else before she could injure herself of others anymore. A month after she left I called up there to let them know that her eye doctor had sent me a postcard reminder letting me know that her 6 month appointment was due. She never saw her eye doctor until we took her up there 4 months later when she was allowed a home visit. We then realized that while my daughter has an eye condition that will eventually cause her one eye to go blind, they never required her to wear her glasses as was stated she needed in her intake. The lack of this caused permanent scarring on her retina on her other eye. After she returned home, I had to deprogram her. I have nothing against religion and have a faith in God myself. But I do not believe in shoving it down the throats of everyone around you. Those that wish to listen will stop and do so. Don't force them. So in my opinion, The Lord's Ranch did nothing but make my daughter believe that God will fix everything and she doesn't need the doctors in this world for her health. I will never send another child there and will strongly suggest to others to stay away.

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I want to tell my story to help parents of children that have dr.s and are being put on meds. yes i will agree that sometimes this is needed. please be careful of the dr you pick and what the medications are. look into the medications and into the dr that you are taking your child to see. there a lot of dr.s out that are dangerous.
from the time i was adopted until the age of nine i was sent to a lot of dr.s all who diagnosed me with all sorts of disorders and put me on all kinds of drugs. i should of never been on any of them. thankfully when i went to the home they got me off the last of medications i was on, that mostly saved my life and my brain. my adopted mother became obsessed with taking us to dr.s and getting us put on meds. she thought that there was something wrong with us and there wasnt. we went through some very difficult times before we got adopted so she was convinced that we had mental problems from it all. she took us to drs. who forced us to tell them about what happend to us over and over again. i had stuffed animals that i use to play with and i would make them talk when i played. my mother twisted that into me having other people living in my head. what i was doing was normal all kids at one time or another talk to their toys and make them talk back, but she was convinced i was having conversations with people that were not there. i also had nightmares and i talked in my sleep(i still talk in my sleep lol!) and their were nights i woke up screaming things. she turned that into seeing and hearing things that were not there. the medications i remember being on were a clear liquid medicine called lithium, tegretol, dapakote, thorazin. i dont remember the rest of them.they were given by shots, pills, or in liquid form. i became sick and several times passed out and ended up in the hospital. when i was an adult i sought out my own dr who informed me that these medications that i remembered were very dangerous and that i should of never been on them. i have no memory of what happend to me while i was on lithium and i have very few memories of what happend while on the other medications. i remember i had a swimming party with my family, i got rushed to the hospital after i started shaking and i passed out and hit my head on the pavement by the pool. i can tell you that being on those medications made me worse. i space out all the time and i have problems remembering things. i have some long term memory lost from when i was on the medication. the rest is short term, like forgetting what i was going to say or being asked to do something and not remembering what it is. my husband has to keep all the important mail in one place or i will forget where it is. i cant drive because i never know when im going to space off. i space off all the time, talking to someone, reading, watching tv, etc. sometimes its for short periods of times, other times my husband has to yell at me several times or tap me just to snap me out of it. i got into trouble a lot growing up because of this and i never had those problems until all the meds. ive been tested as an adult for all the mental problems there are and the only thing i have is Social Anxiety Disorder and that is from everything that i went through growing up. i never had any real mental problems when i was little. i dont know why they put me in a home. it all started with me playing with my stuffed animals and being normal but my adopted mother was convinced i wasnt. i did have some problems after being at the home for awhile but anyone in my situation would. my brother died when i was in the home. i was 13 and i broke down for a long time after that. i thought anyone i got close to was going to leave me. i missed my two older sisters, and i didnt understand why i couldnt go home or why my adopted parents didnt want me. i had one very close friend the whole time i was there, and without that friendship i dont know what i would of done.

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I would say that what I have to say is definitely not a success story. I sent my daughter there in hope of getting her the help that I failed to find anywhere else before she could injure herself of others anymore. A month after she left I called up there to let them know that her eye doctor had sent me a postcard reminder letting me know that her 6 month appointment was due. She never saw her eye doctor until we took her up there 4 months later when she was allowed a home visit. We then realized that while my daughter has an eye condition that will eventually cause her one eye to go blind, they never required her to wear her glasses as was stated she needed in her intake. The lack of this caused permanent scarring on her retina on her other eye. After she returned home, I had to deprogram her. I have nothing against religion and have a faith in God myself. But I do not believe in shoving it down the throats of everyone around you. Those that wish to listen will stop and do so. Don't force them. So in my opinion, The Lord's Ranch did nothing but make my daughter believe that God will fix everything and she doesn't need the doctors in this world for her health. I will never send another child there and will strongly suggest to others to stay away.
i agree with you. God cant heal or fix everything thats wrong and sometimes a dr is needed. God gave us brains and we should use them and stop relying on God to fix everything. Its up to us to fix ourselves and use the knowledge that has been given to us to help us. we should keep our faith in God to give us strength when we are in need of a dr for our health and to help guide us in every day life, but we should not use him like the home has.its why so many people that leave the home dont believe in God any more. im very sorry you and your daughter had to go through that. i hope it dosnt destroy her faith and God.
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I have no problem telling a doctor that they are putting my daughter on too much medicine. Just as I have no problem telling them to kiss my ass and I will find another. I know my daughter needs medication, she is identical to me, and I know that I need medicine. I don't expect or even want her to be perfect. I just want her to have the chance of a normal life.

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I have no problem telling a doctor that they are putting my daughter on too much medicine. Just as I have no problem telling them to kiss my ass and I will find another. I know my daughter needs medication, she is identical to me, and I know that I need medicine. I don't expect or even want her to be perfect. I just want her to have the chance of a normal life.
i agree with you and i understand. one of my children has an autism disorder and has had to be seen by many doctors. my child is too young for any medications, but someday they might be needed. i want my children to have the best normal life too, and i will do my best to give that to them.
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my adopted parents got money from the state of texas to take care of me and my sister, you werent there so you dont know. we had government aid for medical and other things. they also told them if my sister and i had mental problems they could get a check for me and my siter. thats something they should of never told them because they spent a lot of time looking for dr.s and trying to get my sister and i diagnosed with a mental disorder. i was put on all kinds of meds that i didnt need, and one of the meds i was on made me the way i am now which i will be explaining that later on. the reason my adopted mom couldnt take care of us was because of the way she was brought up herself. she didnt know how to show love because she came from a family that didnt give affection. i will be telling more about my adopted family leading up to how i went to the home. ive been busy and havnt had the time. im about to go do something so maybe later today or tonight i will have the time to sit down and explain my situation. it dosnt matter to me if you believe me or not, im just simply telling my story the good and the bad of it all. the system may have failed me but i am not a victim nor do i want or expect anyone to feel sorry for me. There are other people out there who have had a hard life too. This isnt a pity me story this is a real life story about me. im all grown up now and i understand things better than i did when i was a child. i treat my own children with love and respect.when they do something wrong they get a time out or sent to their room. after they are done with their time out i explain to them what they did wrong. i tell them i love them and give them a hug and a kiss. my children respect me but do not fear me, they know that they can come talk to me whenever they need too, most importantly they trust me. i give them all the hugs and kisses they want, and spend time with them goofing off and being silly with them. i also know first hand the challenges of having a child with mental and behavior problems. one of my children has an autism disorder, but you can bet your bottom dollar i wont be giving my child away to someone else to take care of just because it can be difficult and hard a times to handle. also just to let you know i have a great relationship with my biological father. he was never the reason i got taken away. my biological mother had a lot of issues. My dad worked all day long while my mom would sleep all day. when they took us away my dad tried to keep us but they told him there was no way he could take care of five kids by himself. My foster parents are the ones who abused my sister and i. i will talk about my adopted parents and the events that led up to me going to the home later on. i have other things i need to do.
First of all, any money your adopted parent received for you was to cover the expenses incurred by having you. Children are not free. More important, if you were moved out of the home, that money would have stopped. It is called Adoption Assistance- and it stops if the child is not living in your home. Second, she wouldn't have adopted you if she hadn't loved children and wanted to provide a home for you. If she found that you had issues- and then took you to a doctor- it was up to the doctor to tell her what the issues were and how to treat it. Doctors don't typically allow parents or anyone else to diagnose and choose the medicine. Third, she probably put you in the home because the medicine and treatment didn't work and she didn't know what else to do. I believe she loved you and wanted you. The home you were in didn't make you happy- but they probably provided for you the best they could. You are an adult now- don't bash the home- provide a better one if you can. I wish you well and I really wish you hadn't had sad times. In a perfect world parents would take care of their own kids.
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My child was there also. He was sent there for serious acting out behavior. He was nearly kicked out of high school do to his "out of control" behavior. I believe if I had not sent him there he would have destroyed himself.

He is now a changed young man. He is now a senior in college at U of A in Fayetteville.

He did not go there as a Christian and he did not leave a Christian, but he did change his behavior. He has thanked me many times for sending him there. Though he was not especially happy when he was first sent there.

The doctors and nurses there that treated my son there were always calling me with updates and were very responsive whenever I had questions about medication he was on.

In short, I am glad I sent my son there to get his life together.
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I would say that what I have to say is definitely not a success story. I sent my daughter there in hope of getting her the help that I failed to find anywhere else before she could injure herself of others anymore. A month after she left I called up there to let them know that her eye doctor had sent me a postcard reminder letting me know that her 6 month appointment was due. She never saw her eye doctor until we took her up there 4 months later when she was allowed a home visit. We then realized that while my daughter has an eye condition that will eventually cause her one eye to go blind, they never required her to wear her glasses as was stated she needed in her intake. The lack of this caused permanent scarring on her retina on her other eye. After she returned home, I had to deprogram her. I have nothing against religion and have a faith in God myself. But I do not believe in shoving it down the throats of everyone around you. Those that wish to listen will stop and do so. Don't force them. So in my opinion, The Lord's Ranch did nothing but make my daughter believe that God will fix everything and she doesn't need the doctors in this world for her health. I will never send another child there and will strongly suggest to others to stay away.

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First of all, any money your adopted parent received for you was to cover the expenses incurred by having you. Children are not free. More important, if you were moved out of the home, that money would have stopped. It is called Adoption Assistance- and it stops if the child is not living in your home. Second, she wouldn't have adopted you if she hadn't loved children and wanted to provide a home for you. If she found that you had issues- and then took you to a doctor- it was up to the doctor to tell her what the issues were and how to treat it. Doctors don't typically allow parents or anyone else to diagnose and choose the medicine. Third, she probably put you in the home because the medicine and treatment didn't work and she didn't know what else to do. I believe she loved you and wanted you. The home you were in didn't make you happy- but they probably provided for you the best they could. You are an adult now- don't bash the home- provide a better one if you can. I wish you well and I really wish you hadn't had sad times. In a perfect world parents would take care of their own kids.
ive talked about the good and bad that happens because its apart of life there will always be good and bad things in this world no matter where you are. im telling my story so that other people will know that its possible to have a wonderful, healthy, normal life no matter what has happend to you. its a story of not giving up hope and faith, about rebuilding your life after its been crushed by all the people who were suppose to love you and protect you. ive seen a lot of evil, but i have not become evil myself because i chose to have a good heart and to treat others with kindness love and respect. If you want a good life than you have to make it good. I have forgiven everyone who has hurt me but i will never forget the bad things or the good things that i went through all those years ago. you never forget what youve been through and where you came from. everyone has to decide to make their life better its not going to happen on its own. you cant get what you want out of life just by wishing on a star or praying to God. You can pray all day long for a job, but if you dont get out there and apply for a job than your not gonna get one, you can wish every night for a husband and a family to love and to hold but if you dont get out of your house to meet new people then its not going to happen. Life isnt a fairy tale. Prince charming dosnt come riding up on a horse shouting let down your hair so i can climb up there and save you and we can live happily ever after. God dosnt just magically make everything you want appear out of thin air right before your eyes. Yes God wants nothing but good things for us yes he wants us to be happy but hes not going to just give it to us. He gives us all free will and because of that there will always be good and bad things that happen in life. We have to decide to live a good life ourselves and to work for the things we want in life. In order to have good things happen you have to live your life in a good way. This is why i wanted to tell my story, to help someone else who has had a rough life and to let them know that it can and will get better if they want it too.

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My child was there also. He was sent there for serious acting out behavior. He was nearly kicked out of high school do to his "out of control" behavior. I believe if I had not sent him there he would have destroyed himself.
He is now a changed young man. He is now a senior in college at U of A in Fayetteville.
He did not go there as a Christian and he did not leave a Christian, but he did change his behavior. He has thanked me many times for sending him there. Though he was not especially happy when he was first sent there.
The doctors and nurses there that treated my son there were always calling me with updates and were very responsive whenever I had questions about medication he was on.
In short, I am glad I sent my son there to get his life together.
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i am very glad you and your family had a good experience with them.
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http://arkansasleader.blogspot.com/2006_06_11...
SATURDAY EDITORIAL>>The Lord as your co-pilot
Providence dealt mercifully with Gov. Huckabee last week when one of the twin engines of the Cessna Citation that was ferrying him, his wife, daughter and aides to a political gathering in North Carolina conked out near Chattanooga.
The pilot landed the jet with one engine, got the plane repaired and then carried him on to North Carolina for his (presidential) campaign speech. Huckabee shared his close call with spellbound North Carolina Republicans and the whole thing attracted national attention.The Lord works in wondrous ways.But could the divine purpose be something besides saving the governorís life so that he can become president?The governorís miraculous escape attracted the attention of people over at the Arkansas Times, who were curious about the airplane because the paper has been scolding the governor for using Arkansas State Police aircraft, property of Arkansas taxpayers, for personal and political travel the past few years. All that Huckabee would say was that it was not a State Police plane.But through reports at the Chattanooga airport, the newspaper traced the airplane to New Hampshire, where it was registered to the name of a company domiciled in that state that has won a series of contracts with the Arkansas Department of Human Services under Gov. Huckabee.The 2006 contract is for about $8.5 million. The payment is for housing and ministering to troubled youngsters at a religious camp called The Lordís Ranch in rural Randolph County near the Missouri border. The Lordís Ranch, some of you may remember, has had a turbulent relationship with the state government for more than 15 years, but it has gotten better and better since Huckabee took over in 1996. An $8.5 million annual contract suggests that the relationship has progressed beautifully.Now the governorís providential flight is looking less divine. Ethical and legal questions abound. Was The Lordís Ranch properly reimbursed for the trip (chartering a Citation SII ordinarily costs $1,500 to $1,900 an hour) or was it a gift to the governor? State law bars people who do not have a family or long-standing relationship with a state official from making gifts of more than $100 to him or else it becomes an unlawful payment for his public duties.The Associated Press put the question to Huckabee Thursday. He said there was no problem and that he was always careful to avoid conflicts of interest with outfits that did business with the government he runs. Southeastern Asset Management, the outfit that owns The Lordís Ranch, gave the jet trip, he explained, as an in-kind contribution to his political-action committee, Hope for America, which he incorporated in Virginia. So, you see, itís perfectly all right. There is no quid pro quo, no back scratching.No, these little arrangements are never all right, no matter what committee you run them through and no matter if the governor is Huckabee, Bill Clinton or George W. Bush.Would Southeastern Management be flying the governor around the country to political gatherings (Huckabee acknowledged that this might not be the first instance) if it was not doing a handsome amount of business with the Huckabee administration? To ask the question is to answer it.Gov .Huckabee said he never approaches The Lordís Ranch people or others to fly him around the country. But how do they find out when he is going to a political event somewhere and wants a free ride?
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(continued from posted article) The answer must be divine providence.Sixteen years ago, in response to widespread concern about abuse and neglect at child-care facilities, the state Child Care Review Board revoked The Lordís Ranchís license for numerous violations of state rules, including improper restraints of children.The board subsequently gave it a provisional license, but in 1994 the ranch refused to allow state inspectors in, and in 1996 the state cited the home for compliance problems with health and safety standards.After Huckabee became governor, he appointed the manager of the ranch to the Child Welfare Agency Review Board, where he still serves, and the homeís psychiatric director to the state Psychology Board. With the governorís assistance, the ranch is now in good standing with the agency and won its first state Medicaid contract in 2000.The contract has grown from $140,460 in 2000 to $8.5 million. Coincidence: Between 1996 and 2000 Lordís Ranch officials gave $8,650 to Huckabeeís campaigns for governor. They gave to his wifeís campaign for secretary of state and to the Arkansas Republican Party.And hereís another coincidence: Next week, a legislative committee will probe concerns about billing and undue influence on juvenile judges by The Lordís Ranch and a few other ďfaith-basedĒ providers of childrenís services to have children diagnosed and sent to those facilities.But someone checked and found that more than a third of the legislative committee members, like the governor, have received contributions from Lordís Ranch officials.Donít you love state government?
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in this link there is proof of abuse and cover ups in the home. read this and you will see the truth.
http://www.arktimes.com/arkansas/its-not-chil...
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I sent my son to this place years ago and there is no way to explain the difference in my son from when he went there to when he came out. He was a different person. He went there feeling suicidal and worthless, and when he left there he realized that he could become a successful young man. He is still doing great all these years later. It makes me sick to read these lies and hear these made up stories from people who must hate christians. I don't understand why people hate christians so much but I know that these people truly helped my son and these lies make me sick. Anything can make up stories on these things and that doesn't make it true. I would have never sent my son to a place where there was abuse and I know the state checked on them all of the time and would have never allowed it either. If you all could see my son and how great he is doing then you would be ashamed of yourselves for spreading such lies and hatred for something that you obviously know NOTHING about!! Shame on you for spreading these lies about a place that saved my son's life!!
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SERIOUSLY wrote:
Why start all of this on here? You must have some major issues.. A public forum that is used for bashing people and places is not where you should be writing all of this...The name has changed, it is no longer the Lord's ranch.. Most people in the area was offended by the name so that is one of the reasons it was changed... And Jessica you need to stay in counseling... It is obvious by writng this book on here like you have you need to find other things to do with your time... I thank God everyday for that place is... It saved my life!!!
I havent heard of that place saving anyones life, i heard the beat some of the kids and some was looked in rooms, but i also heard that the girls would beat up the aids out there and thats why they are always looking for people, but if they was mistreating me like that i would beat them up too..Topix is a place for us to tell things that are happening,and maybe her speaking out will let another child that was there, that they are not alone. so if u liked it thats great,she didnt so shut your mouth and let her talk!!!!!!!
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Jessica_Rae wrote:
<quoted text> thank you for understanding.
Hun u have a story that needs to be told so use your voice to tell it,call kait,call the news paper,call good morning america,email the view, dont let anyone shut u up, there are other kids out there that this place has hurt,find them,dont let another child get hurt out there, tell the names of people who hurt u,tell the names of those who turned the other way and let this happen.im a mother of 2 and it makes me sick to think of those kids there getting mistreated, all children need love no matter what is wrong with them and no matter how old they are, i tried to be a foster parent but they turned me down because i didnt make enough money,i have a lot of love to give but i was turned away thats why a lot of children die in the system because they dont care about that, its all about the money..so do be quiet,keep talking sweetie.make your voice heard.

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