Two downtown York night clubs close

Two downtown York night clubs close

There are 47 comments on the York Dispatch story from Sep 30, 2009, titled Two downtown York night clubs close. In it, York Dispatch reports that:

The Bourbon Street Saloon and Evolution Night Club in York City shut their doors for good last week -- another loss for downtown York's entertainment scene, but nothing that should concern nearby establishments, city officials said Wednesday.

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George

Marshall, VA

#21 Oct 1, 2009
notsomuch wrote:
So, again, lds, you haven't been in the heart of the city for...how long?
Any friday or saturday night there are multiple foot cops patrolling most areas. Go downtown. then report back as to how safe or unsafe you feel.
The mayors "safe area #2". How many "multiple foot cops' are there in the other areas of the City where most of the City crime is happening? Thats right, they don't need any in those areas because there are the shot spotters!
drew pffaflin

Philadelphia, PA

#22 Oct 1, 2009
too many punks w no $$, knives and guns
+
cheep cheep cheep Yorkers =

NO LUCK FOR ANY YORK BUSINESS!!

besides, this guy dont pay his employees enuf.
Ted

Laurel, MD

#23 Oct 1, 2009
York Stinks wrote:
York is a dead city and will never become like Lancaster or Harrisburg. With all of the closed minded people and no one thinking outside the box, it ends up being the same old thing. Good luck with your pipe dreams York.
__________

Couldn't agree more. Given it's location, it's a travesty that York is not a premier nightlife destination today. Instead, it's just a place people pass through en-route to other cities to party, dine and hang out on weekends.

Back in the mid 80s to I would say the early part of the 90s, York had decent, and happening places such as the Golden Bear, Zakies, 55 West, etc. Market St. and the square area were teeming with nightlife on weekend nights during that period. Then, things changed and the result is now a ghost town that most people avoid like the plague.

As a result, people are going to Harrisburg, Lancaster, Philly and Baltimore to spend nightlife dollars that could be spent in downtown York. What are other locales doing that we are not? Yeah..there is crime and that could be a deterrent. But that's the case as well in the 'burg and Lancaster.

When two clubs, a bar (Harp and Fiddle) and coffehouse close in this short span of time, something is SERIOUSLY wrong here.
4REAL1

Westminster, MD

#24 Oct 1, 2009
Lisa wrote:
Maybe Harrisburg Mayor Steven Reed should come to York? I heard he may be available?? Just a thought!
Yea that would work... Guess nobody has noticed Harrisburg crime... lol
Stop living in a bubble... oh and harrisburg clubs are also full every weekend even though they have a high crime rate....

FACTS
4REAL1

Westminster, MD

#25 Oct 1, 2009
Ben wrote:
Well, Lancaster and Harrisburg actually have larger crime problems than York. We just have "better" (yeah, right) news coverage of our crimes. You know, if you promote the bad, it will become the norm. How about this: look at page D6 of today's Dispatch - over in the corner near the fold, "Dillsburg Park Vandalized" "In the past few weeks, Carroll Township Police have taken several complaints of mischief, including damage to the gazebo, benches and several American flags."
If this was in Penn Park, or at Farquar, it would be front page news. "AMERICAN FLAGS DAMAGED AT PENN PARK".
Anyone know the crime rate in Lancaster? How about this: "The City of Lancaster used to be number two as the safest community in Pennsylvania and now we are number two in the worst cities in Pennsylvania, and the only difference is Mayor Gray and the suppression of police in taking active roles in the removal of illegal guns from people who illegally have them," Smithgall said.
He referred to the 2008 Pennsylvania State Police Crime report released in July. That report showed Lancaster having a per capita crime rate higher than Philadelphia.
Yeah, lets HOPE that York never becomes a Lancaster like someone here suggests.
How about this one:
Harrisburg, York and Lancaster ranked as the top three cities in the state in 2008 for crime per capita, according to Pennsylvania State Police Uniform Crime Reporting System figures released this week.
With 72.7 crimes per 1,000 people, Harrisburg ranked first, followed by Lancaster at 66.6 per 1,000 people, and York at 65.6 per 1,000 people, according to the report. By comparison, Philadelphia had a rate of 57.8 per 1,000 people and Pittsburgh had a rate of 51.9 per 1,000 people, according to the report.
In Harrisburg, violent crimes -- homicide, rape, robbery, aggravated assault -- increased 11.6 percent from 2007, while offenses like vandalism, fraud and drug offenses increased 0.1 percent, according to the report.
Crime also increased in the Harrisburg suburbs in 2008, with violent crime going up 5.4 percent and lesser offenses increasing 1.4 percent. Statewide, the overall number of crimes reported to the state police UCR increased less than half a percent in 2008 while violent crimes decreased by one percent. Property crimes were up by 2.8 percent
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Crime increased in teh Harrisburg subburbs?!?!?! Wow - glad I don't live there!
Thank You... Nice to read some facts instead of everyone blowing opinions out there A55
Ted

Laurel, MD

#26 Oct 1, 2009
4REAL1 wrote:
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Thank You... Nice to read some facts instead of everyone blowing opinions out there A55
That's why it's called a forum. Then again, I guess no one is entitled to their opinion unless they mirror yours,correct? Typical York.
Dave

Airville, PA

#27 Oct 1, 2009
Yorky wrote:
York is the city of failure. What does the consultant the mayor hired have to say? This is just the begining of many closings. York is not middle class anymore Its a ghetto slum being run by the thugs who have taken over a once nice city.
The White Rose has parking.
Dave

Airville, PA

#28 Oct 1, 2009
notsomuch wrote:
Can I ask a question? How many of you cantankerous windbags actually spend any time at night, downtown, between george and newberry?
How many of you actually eat at any of the restaurants mentioned or go to any of the bars mentioned? And when and where PRECISELY on these streets, the "heart" of the city, do you feel unsafe? I'd like to know because i've never, not once, have felt unsafe in these areas.
Please, enlighten me.
I lived downtown until two years ago. I still work there and frequent the market. We moved out because of regular gunfire, and a month ago, in the "safe" area, on the first block of West Market Street, I narrowly escaped from two thugs who intended to either mug me, or assault me (which they threatened to do).

If you don't feel unsafe, you are delusional.
Obama

United States

#29 Oct 1, 2009
We need more strip clubs. They bring in the crowd
Dave

Airville, PA

#30 Oct 1, 2009
lds wrote:
I wouldn't come into downtown York after dark if you paid me anymore, not with the almost daily shooting/stabbing. Stop the crime, run the absentee landlords out of town, get a less 'ghetto' look and class of citizenry down there and you'll get a nightlife. The only reason Harrisburg has a thriving nightlife is because the police are always around while the clubs are open.
After dark? I was nearly mugged at 8:00AM on a Saturday morning, downtown.
nosferatu

Reinholds, PA

#31 Oct 1, 2009
First Cap has parking. And class. Something NO corporate bar can provide.
who cares

Plainsboro, NJ

#32 Oct 1, 2009
sorry but all bar could close for all I care they do nothing but cause the troulble in the first place....

Certainly isn't the answer to the cities problem.

I would go downtown do everyday...lived in York , work in York I have never had a problem...

I am more afraid to walk outside the city but that is because you are always afraid of what you don't know!

People on this forum are a big part of York cities problem.

Common sense helps also!

Out of town they just kill their own family members!
When you get into drugs you have to deal with the problems that are a part of that scene.....
NoLoveLost

Hammonton, NJ

#33 Oct 1, 2009
We'll just hang out at the White Rose & Cheers... the same way we did BEFORE these places came... When you REALLY hit rock bottom...you can go to Bottoms Up.. lol
keffer

Harrisburg, PA

#34 Oct 2, 2009
These bars are an excellent source of drunks for the police to harasse, instead of dealing with the bad guys with guns. safety first. It also gives the college kids a little relief.
Ted

Laurel, MD

#35 Oct 2, 2009
nosferatu wrote:
First Cap has parking. And class. Something NO corporate bar can provide.
True..I will say this city is hurting for a brewpub in a bad way.
Negro city resident

Lansing, MI

#36 Oct 2, 2009
Whatever wrote:
I just moved 20 miles outside of York and people really do have a horrible outlook on York City. Most people I meet would rather cut their own arm off then go into York. It has gotten alot worse in the last 10 years. All the trash from the bigger cities have moved in and set up shop....it's turning into one big project.
Finally,someone who said something to raise an ear.Big city criminals have a great deal of involvement in the high crime rate in our city.
just me

Johnstown, PA

#37 Oct 2, 2009
nosferatu wrote:
First Cap has parking. And class. Something NO corporate bar can provide.
'

It's also the size of my bathroom.
PARENT

Hummelstown, PA

#38 Oct 2, 2009
lds wrote:
I wouldn't come into downtown York after dark if you paid me anymore, not with the almost daily shooting/stabbing. Stop the crime, run the absentee landlords out of town, get a less 'ghetto' look and class of citizenry down there and you'll get a nightlife. The only reason Harrisburg has a thriving nightlife is because the police are always around while the clubs are open.
THAT WOULD BE A LONG DRIVE FOR YOU FROM LOS ANGELES!!!!!!!!!
ahhhh

United States

#39 Oct 2, 2009
if you don't like what the officials are doing, become one and make a difference.

if you don't like the type of clubs avaialable, open a new one.

it's easy to talk about what changes should be made but none of you have the true desire to act on it. quit talking about the problems and become active to make it better.
Your Neighbor

Port Huron, MI

#40 Oct 2, 2009
I think most people forget how the city courted Mr. K and thought that his clubs would be the salvation of downtown. Of course, people with 3 digit IQ's knew that having bars as the anchor of city life was just a train wreck in the making.

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