Juvenile detention system: A family's nightmare

PLYMOUTH - Richard and Gloria Habel pulled into the West Side Vo-Tech High School parking lot one morning in mid-February to a flashing array of emergency vehicles. Full Story
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alan j fletcher

Honolulu, HI

#1 Nov 30, 2006
I completely understand....my son went through the same thing, same judge he was 12 at the time, 1997,that so called judge sent him to st. mikes. he was beaten, mistreated ect..the state needs to investagate mark ciavarella,he is in the wrong job.I still remember the hearing at the courthouse,the judge takes the police into the court room,we were not allowed in. then 30 min. later we come in and all the police are sitting in the back of the court room laughing. the FIX was in.he locked up my son,i tried to speak to the judge,nothing doing...i watched as they handcuffed a 12 year old boy.glad i moved to california,we have rights here....not in pa
Richard Habel

Dallas, PA

#2 Dec 18, 2006
alan j fletcher wrote:
I completely understand....my son went through the same thing, same judge he was 12 at the time, 1997,that so called judge sent him to st. mikes. he was beaten, mistreated ect..the state needs to investagate mark ciavarella,he is in the wrong job.I still remember the hearing at the courthouse,the judge takes the police into the court room,we were not allowed in. then 30 min. later we come in and all the police are sitting in the back of the court room laughing. the FIX was in.he locked up my son,i tried to speak to the judge,nothing doing...i watched as they handcuffed a 12 year old boy.glad i moved to california,we have rights here....not in pa
Hi; By going public with my situation with my daughter,I am getting 300 cases reviewed of the same nature with this judge. He seems to put them away and forget about them. This judge has way to much power given to him. I got my daughter back,but she was put on indefinite probation. When we went in front of him the last time he told my daughter he is not mad at her parents,but he commends us for being such hard fighters to get our daughter back. We would not stop,we started by contacting the govenor,then the legislators,then our local politicianers,and finally we went public with our story. This whole situation has made us very strong childs rights advocates. I agree fully that Judge Chiaverella should be investigated by the state. You are definitely right,parents do not have any rights when it comes to their kids and the juvenile justice system in Pennsylvania.
Ali G

Camp Hill, PA

#3 Dec 24, 2006
Richard Habel wrote:
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You are definitely right,parents do not have any rights when it comes to their kids and the juvenile justice system in Pennsylvania.
Parents in PA have all the rights in the world when it comes to their children. You are permitted the freedom to raise them to be decent human beings instead of juvenile offenders. At this point in their lives they are obviously being taken from their parents because the rearing skills are not there and before they become criminal adults the state tries to intercede. Don't blame one of the few honorable judges in this county who is tough on crime for the failings of your parenting skills. This is the problem with your children, they see you blame everyone else for things that are wrong with the world instead of taking responsibilities for their own actions. What this leads to is the reason they have to go to juvenile court in the first place...
Sharkey

AOL

#4 Dec 25, 2006
The whole family Court system has too much power and is quite often curropt.I've lost three children to Suffolk County.NY over a "neglect" case in which they alleged I neglected my kids because I had a fight with thier mother and after completing the Anger management they court ordered,they hired a psycologist for $5000.00 for 6 hours of interview and got a fageygy report in which my kids should remain in fostercare and I commute to Suffolk twice a week to see a specailist of thier choosing.I now live in PA.Family Court is America's way of being communist,it really needs a jury just like criminal court.I've been sentenced to never see three of my kids ever again by one piece of shit judge and county attorney ,a rich childless foster parent who is only interested in one of the children.Bottom line,we dont honor star and strip flags in this household anymore.
Sharkey

AOL

#5 Dec 25, 2006
When it comes to children the Government is a giant DUMBASS that should have no business in dicipline of minors
globell32956

Dallas, PA

#6 Dec 28, 2006
This is in answer to Ali G. I am guessing that you haven't had too much dealing with any of this. At one time, I felt the way you do, but after seeing first hand how politics is played in the juvenile court system and knowing how unfair decisions can be, I think you need to have your eyes opened a little. My kids were raised with manners and decently. It was an accident that put her on probation and constant harassment from the so-called victims that ended up with her in placement. When so-called victims lie and the charges get trumped up because no money crossed hands, that is what makes this so unfair. Each case is different, but when a child who previously had no record ends up in the system being put away after being raped (whether it is statutory or not) that is not justice. It is pure out and out evil, money grubbing, systems. I just pray to God, that if you have children, none of your gently bred kids (like mine were!!!!) will ever accidentally fall victim to this vicious circle or that judge again.The problem with today's society is that they are allowed to try to sue for stupid things on stupid things and when they don't get what they want, then they decide to try to get the person arrested. If no money get given, then they harass as a power play. Just try walking in our shoes one day for one hour when all this crap was going on and I would bet worse would hve happened to you. She should have NEVER BEEN put on probation in the first place, becuase it was an accident. Nothing she did, should have gotten her first raped, then locked up for 2 months awaiting sentencing, then after she hit VQ getting her medications played with tothe point where she was going off the wall mentally. Nor being restrained to the point of being physcially abused by being thrown to the ground and being sat on by a Major. This is where she really learned how to cut. 15 yrs. old and being put on Zoloft and then Prozac......are you telling me that is normal????? You my dear, need your eyes opened and I hope they don't get opened the way mine did!
Elizabeth Habel

Mifflinville, PA

#7 Dec 28, 2006
hey that's me!!! I am home now...I have been homw for almost two months now...doing great...thanks for reading my article.....

Since: Dec 06

Dallas, PA

#8 Dec 28, 2006
Ali G wrote:
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Parents in PA have all the rights in the world when it comes to their children. You are permitted the freedom to raise them to be decent human beings instead of juvenile offenders. At this point in their lives they are obviously being taken from their parents because the rearing skills are not there and before they become criminal adults the state tries to intercede. Don't blame one of the few honorable judges in this county who is tough on crime for the failings of your parenting skills. This is the problem with your children, they see you blame everyone else for things that are wrong with the world instead of taking responsibilities for their own actions. What this leads to is the reason they have to go to juvenile court in the first place...
Ali G: What are you a relation to the shithead judge that put my daughter through all this abuse. THERE IS NO PARENTS RIGHTS FOR THEIR CHILDREN IN N.E.PENNSYLVANIA! WAKE UP! DA! You live in a communist state when it comes to the wonderful juvenile justice system. Were you born with a silver spoon in your mouth? I sure as hell wasn't! Please don't comment negatively till you walked in my shoes. This incident has has made me and my wife a very strong advocate for the CHILDRENS rights involving our local Juvenile Justice System. We are fighting and continue to fight to get these judges to have less power when it comes to treating our children so inhumane. Acting like god,taking them away from their parents, and not listening to one thing the parents try telling them. You really piss me off! I hope you don't ever walk in my shoes,but,yes I do. Maybe it would open your closed eyes!!!
Quote for the Day: If there was more people that would fight for their kids in the local juvenile justice system,there would be less power given to these judges that act like JUDGE,JURY,and GOD.
Good Day
Father of the Victim
123123szi

United States

#10 Mar 14, 2007
My daughter, age 16, was placed for truancy. She is Bi-polar among other mental issues. After I reported the place for abuse on my daughter, they turned against my daughter. My daughter went AWOL. They are searching for her now. Another child in placement with her was being punched by a staff member. My daughter was slammed in the face, with a door, by a staff member. When she was first placed, she broke both wrists and they wouldn't take her to the hospital until the next day.
So, my daughter was placed for skipping school and will now battle these abuse issues for a long time to come. I was threatened with jail if I knew where she was and didn't tell. I don't know where she is. If I did... I wouldn't turn her in. I have a right to protect my daughter...even if it is from THEM!!!

“MR RELENTLESS”

Since: Mar 07

Wilkes Barre & Delaware County

#11 Mar 20, 2007
I agree with the fact that the junenile detention center does need work bigtime..

as a mother.. i agree.. never turn your daugther into a crooked system. no matter what...

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ANOTHER HURT FATHER

AOL

#12 Mar 20, 2007
Sharkey wrote:
The whole family Court system has too much power and is quite often curropt.I've lost three children to Suffolk County.NY over a "neglect" case in which they alleged I neglected my kids because I had a fight with thier mother and after completing the Anger management they court ordered,they hired a psycologist for $5000.00 for 6 hours of interview and got a fageygy report in which my kids should remain in fostercare and I commute to Suffolk twice a week to see a specailist of thier choosing.I now live in PA.Family Court is America's way of being communist,it really needs a jury just like criminal court.I've been sentenced to never see three of my kids ever again by one piece of shit judge and county attorney ,a rich childless foster parent who is only interested in one of the children.Bottom line,we dont honor star and strip flags in this household anymore.
Man, I fully agree with your veiws regarding a currupt family court system.. I HAVE NOT seen my three kids for 8 months now.. the family cys system would not even let me give them a birhtday card to say happy birhtday. They are FULL OF LIES AND THEY ARE VERY CURRUPT! ALL THEY HAVE DONE IS HURT MY THREE KIDS AND PUNISH ME FOR NOTHING. I HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THERE FOR MY THREE KIDS, WENT TO ALL THEIR SCHOOL MEETINGS EVEN WHEN THEIR BIOLIGCAL MOTHER WAS AWOL FROM THEIR LIVES.. WHO DO THEY BELEIVE.. YOU GUESSED IT.. THEIR AWOL MOTHER! I AS FATHER HAS NO RIGHTS.. THE MOTHER CAN SAY ANTING AND RIP ME FROM MY KIDS.. THE CORRUPT SYSTEM BELEIVES HER! MYKIDS LIVE IN FOSTER CARE ALSO AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE THEY ARE OR HOW THEY ARE DOING..
MAN, I FEEL FOR YOU ALOT.. I CRY ALOT OF DAYS WONDERING HOW THEY ARE. I HEAR MY DAUGTHERS CALLING ME AT NIGHT SAYING DAADDY, DADDY, HELP ME! IT HURTS MAN.
THE MOTHER JOINED WITH CYS AND MADE ME OUT TO LOOK LIKE AN ANIMAL.. I NEVER ABUSED MY KIDS IN ANY WAY AND THEY DO KNOW THIS. BUT STILL KEEP ME FROM MYKIDS BECAUSE I DONT HAVE THE MONEY TO GET AN EXPENSIVE LAWYER..
ALL I CAN SAY.. IS I WILL NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR MY KIDS.. AND DONT WORRY... GOD WILL HELP US BOTH BE DADS AGAIN.. KEEP THE FAITH MAN.. I HAVE PICS OF MY KIDS EVERYWHERE IN MY HOUSE.. THOUGH THEY TOOK MY KIDS THEY CANT TAKE MY LOVE FOR THEM OR MY; ;MEMMORIES.. LIKE YOU I BET..
GOOD LUCK.. AND MAYBE WE SHOULD GET TOGETHER AND PROTEST OUTSIDE OF THE FAMILY COURT ONE DAY..
THEY ARE LLIERS AND I HAVE WATCHED CYS LIE ON REPORTS OVER AND OVER AGAIN.. I DONT TRUST THEM.. WORST OF ALL THE FAMILY COURT WILL TAKE THEIR WORDS OVER OURS ANYDAY.. IT IS SAD!
Hello

Philadelphia, PA

#13 Mar 20, 2007
I want to post a comment to this post and ones like it, I totally agree with what you are both saying about CYS. They are a bunch of liars and in some cases even the cops will lie with them! I know because I have seen it happen, they rip families apart for no reason except for their own self centered uneducated reasons! Ok perhaps some family don't deserve their kids and in those cases I can understand but what about the people or families that are innocent?? I think something needs to be done about this, it seems that the wife can say anything she likes and right away CYS believes them! THAT IS SICK!!
Hello

Philadelphia, PA

#14 Mar 20, 2007
I want to post a comment to this post and ones like it, I totally agree with what you are both saying about CYS. They are a bunch of liars and in some cases even the cops will lie with them! I know because I have seen it happen, they rip families apart for no reason except for their own self centered uneducated reasons! Ok perhaps some family don't deserve their kids and in those cases I can understand but what about the people or families that are innocent?? I think something needs to be done about this, it seems that the wife can say anything she likes and right away CYS believes them! THAT IS SICK!!
bon

Mount Laurel, NJ

#15 Jun 29, 2007
I just pray for some justice for every parent who has been wrongfully dubbed as bad parents or children who are most of the time just trying to figure out who they are an sometimes get into a little trouble on the way.Don't we all make mistakes at one point in our lives why pay hell? sorry for rambeling but I hate the system
bon

Mount Laurel, NJ

#16 Jun 29, 2007
Cys is a bunch of liers and we do indeed need to protest lets get it going very soon

“MR RELENTLESS”

Since: Mar 07

Wilkes Barre & Delaware County

#17 Jun 29, 2007
The family court system stole mythree kids with ALL LIES and got away with it. i have not seen them now for 11 months and IT HURTS BADLY.
PROTEST? LETS GET STARTED ASAP. VIEWS???

“MR RELENTLESS”

Since: Mar 07

Wilkes Barre & Delaware County

#18 Jun 29, 2007
YO CYS FROM WILKES BARRE. I HOPE YOU READ THIS MESSAGE.. I AM COMMING FOR MY KIDS VERY SOON.. I WILL FIGHT UNTIL YOU LIERS RELEASE MY KIDS BACK TO ME.. YOU LOOSE AND I WIN...H A HA HA HAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

“MR RELENTLESS”

Since: Mar 07

Wilkes Barre & Delaware County

#19 Jun 29, 2007
JOHNATHON AMANDA AND KIRSTEN.. DADDY LOVES YOU THREE VERY MUCH AND I DID NOT FORGET YOU GUYS AND I DID NOT FORGET YOUR BIRTHDAYS OR CHRISTMAS GIFTS ARE WAITING UNDER THE TREE STILL... I WILL SEE YOU SOON.. GOD IS MY PARTNER IN MY LIFE AND HE HIS HELPING ME GET YOU GUYS FROM THOSE LIERS. CALLED CYS..AND I HAVE PROOF OF THEIR LIES LAW SUIT WILL BE NEXT..
Desperate Mom

Pasadena, TX

#20 Oct 2, 2007
I can only speak of the justice system here in Houston, Texas. I understand the hurt and angry that you all feel. My son was told on about playing house. You all know what I mean! He is now detained in Juvenille Detention with a charge of 1st degree aggrevated sexual assualt. He is only 13 and he is such a wonderful child. He never causes anyone any trouble. He is such loving child and has never been in trouble at home or with the law. He was simply an innocent child that had curiousity and so did the other child. Hey, who hasn't been curious and experiment at that age. But, because of a rebellious ex-wife my son if fighting for his life of freedom. How the system could think and charge him with such a herinous crime is crazy. We are begging for anyone to help us save my son and not allow these liars lose my son in the system. Please help is you have any suggestions! We are spending all the monies we can come up with for a lawyer. My baby is so scared and wanting to come home. Please help!!!
HELLO THERE

Carbondale, PA

#21 Oct 3, 2007
Ali G wrote:
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Parents in PA have all the rights in the world when it comes to their children. You are permitted the freedom to raise them to be decent human beings instead of juvenile offenders. At this point in their lives they are obviously being taken from their parents because the rearing skills are not there and before they become criminal adults the state tries to intercede. Don't blame one of the few honorable judges in this county who is tough on crime for the failings of your parenting skills. This is the problem with your children, they see you blame everyone else for things that are wrong with the world instead of taking responsibilities for their own actions. What this leads to is the reason they have to go to juvenile court in the first place...
I agree....if you took being a parent seriously and knew where you kids were and what they were doing....they WOULD NOT have gotten in trouble. Instead of your childern being punished because you decided not to care what they were doing before they got in trouble, then say after the fact NOT my child.....MAYBE you as the parent should be made acountable for what you let your child do.Maybe you as the parent should do the time with your child and be held responible for NOT knowing what your child was up to....not knowing where they were at or what they were doing.If you did....why would you allow them to break the law????? You are as guilty as your child...you are responible for your minor childern!!!!!

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