N. Ind. pastor sought in molesting

A pastor remained at large Thursday after being charged with molesting a 12-year-old female member of his Hispanic congregation. Full Story
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glory to god

Reston, VA

#26 Jan 26, 2007
Researched It wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 3:23:
"23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"
We all make mistakes.
1 Peter 3:18:
"18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God..."
Titus 3:5:
"5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,..."
Provided that the pastor has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (including all that entails, as far as repentance goes, etc.), the pastor will still be with God in heaven, Mr. WHY. Jesus died to cover all of our sins; just because someone is a pastor does not mean they can't make mistakes or that they don't. Pastors of churches are human, just like you and me. And just like you and me, if one truly gives his life to Jesus Christ, then when Judgment Day comes, he will not be "punished for his sins" as you say, but will be rewarded for striving to live his life with/for Christ with an eternity spent in heaven with God.
(P.S. I'm not going to get into a debate about the Bible & related issues. As a Christian, I just want to clarify something I think was misrepresented.)
Amen, you are exactly right. I know as humans we can not really understand this and many Christians have a problem dealing with this. Jesus did not die for only certain sins in our lives but all sins. That means past, present and future.
glory to god

Reston, VA

#27 Jan 26, 2007
Citizen Patriot wrote:
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By your statement, are we to assume that we can be the next Hitler and get into heaven? I am a Christian but I don't believe that idea to be the case. If someone has committed such evil they have turned their backs on God and don't deserve salvation!
If you truly believe in your heart and accept him that is exactly what we mean. It is not up to us to be the judge of that persons actions and as much as people want to be vengenance is not ours it is God's. At jubdgement the saved will be judged for their actions/and living for Christ. So if Hitler was to have accepted Jesus before he died, he may make it to heaven, but his works for Christ will be judged. Unsaved people are judged for not believeing in Jesus. It is hard as humans to see or understand that someone convicted of murder can have a place in Heaven. But Christ makes us a new person. It not by our power but Jesus's grace that we are still living and existing on this Earth. We do not have a license to sin, God will deal with that sin either now or in the future, but just because you think you got away with sin does not mean that we have.
Citizen Patriot

Wixom, MI

#28 Jan 26, 2007
glory to god wrote:
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If you truly believe in your heart and accept him that is exactly what we mean. It is not up to us to be the judge of that persons actions and as much as people want to be vengenance is not ours it is God's. At jubdgement the saved will be judged for their actions/and living for Christ. So if Hitler was to have accepted Jesus before he died, he may make it to heaven, but his works for Christ will be judged. Unsaved people are judged for not believeing in Jesus. It is hard as humans to see or understand that someone convicted of murder can have a place in Heaven. But Christ makes us a new person. It not by our power but Jesus's grace that we are still living and existing on this Earth. We do not have a license to sin, God will deal with that sin either now or in the future, but just because you think you got away with sin does not mean that we have.
You are quite contradictory in your response... You miss a valuable point. Grace and forgiveness, not withstanding, do not prevent you from being judged by God. By your explanation, there would be no need for "hell". God presented Moses with the commandments for a purpose. That purpose was to give laws to the lawless. They were not suggestions, they were commandments. I know that you have your opinion of this subject and I also know that opinion is likely generated by the branch of Christianity that you embrace. It is just that there are monsters in this world that are so depraved that I find it very difficult to believe that God can condone their forgiveness. That is my opinion.
CAROL S

Lindon, UT

#29 Jan 26, 2007
Wayne Conn wrote:
i think the age of consent is 12 in mexico.
THAT IS CORRECT, HOWEVER HE WAS NOT IN MEXICO AND NEITHER WAS SHE. HE ABSOLUTELY KNEW BETTER. I JUST CANNOT FIGURE OUT WHY HIS WIFE WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THEIR DEPARTURE. IF HER PARENTS WERE AWARE OF HIS RETURN WITH HER ALONE? NOT ONLY WAS THIS AN EXTREME IRRESPONSIBLE ACT OF HIS TRUSTWORTHINESS BUT HIS WIFE AND HER PARENTS.

Since: Dec 06

West Central IN

#30 Jan 26, 2007
Citizen Patriot wrote:
<quoted text>
You are quite contradictory in your response... You miss a valuable point. Grace and forgiveness, not withstanding, do not prevent you from being judged by God. By your explanation, there would be no need for "hell". God presented Moses with the commandments for a purpose. That purpose was to give laws to the lawless. They were not suggestions, they were commandments. I know that you have your opinion of this subject and I also know that opinion is likely generated by the branch of Christianity that you embrace. It is just that there are monsters in this world that are so depraved that I find it very difficult to believe that God can condone their forgiveness. That is my opinion.
The original poster has it correct. By our trust and faith in Jesus Christ we are forgiven our sin, all of it if we confess it God and are truly sorry for committing those sins. And that is where no man has the right to judge another, that if God's right. None of us can know what is in anothers heart, that is between the individual and God. That is why there are some folks in heaven that we may consider despicable, but because they had faith in Jesus they are there and as pure as any one can be. Also, there are two commanments that Jesus Himself gave us. First, love the Lord your God with your whole heart and soul. The other is to love your neighbor as yourself. Does that mean a Christian is not required to obey the 10 commandments. No. But, it does mean the God so loved us that through His Son all sins can be forgiven.
poogiesue

Indianapolis, IN

#31 Jan 26, 2007
poogiesue wrote:
I am logged on as poogiesue
Will the REAL poogiesue please stand up.
WWJD

Indianapolis, IN

#32 Jan 26, 2007
glory to god wrote:
<quoted text>
If you truly believe in your heart and accept him that is exactly what we mean. It is not up to us to be the judge of that persons actions and as much as people want to be vengenance is not ours it is God's. At jubdgement the saved will be judged for their actions/and living for Christ. So if Hitler was to have accepted Jesus before he died, he may make it to heaven, but his works for Christ will be judged. Unsaved people are judged for not believeing in Jesus. It is hard as humans to see or understand that someone convicted of murder can have a place in Heaven. But Christ makes us a new person. It not by our power but Jesus's grace that we are still living and existing on this Earth. We do not have a license to sin, God will deal with that sin either now or in the future, but just because you think you got away with sin does not mean that we have.
enough with the sermon on accepting Jesus, we better hope he accepts US! Read Acts 2 and find your Salvation, everyone knows that. This man does not DESERVE the title let alone the respect of a Pastor. This man is a plain pervert hiding under the church. Like a wolf in sheep clothing preying on the innocent. He probably went to California or to Mexico to "run" from this situation.
cant feed dont breed

Dyer, IN

#33 Jan 26, 2007
Researched It wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 3:23:
"23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"
We all make mistakes.
1 Peter 3:18:
"18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God..."
Titus 3:5:
"5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,..."
Provided that the pastor has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (including all that entails, as far as repentance goes, etc.), the pastor will still be with God in heaven, Mr. WHY. Jesus died to cover all of our sins; just because someone is a pastor does not mean they can't make mistakes or that they don't. Pastors of churches are human, just like you and me. And just like you and me, if one truly gives his life to Jesus Christ, then when Judgment Day comes, he will not be "punished for his sins" as you say, but will be rewarded for striving to live his life with/for Christ with an eternity spent in heaven with God.
(P.S. I'm not going to get into a debate about the Bible & related issues. As a Christian, I just want to clarify something I think was misrepresented.)
thanks for the green light, dude. I am going to rape and pillage, and sweet jesus will cleanse my soul. In the meantime, you better hide....cept your daughter. I want to "share the rod and spoil the child"
perverts anon

Lombard, IL

#34 Jan 26, 2007
This preacher should check in with former escort Mike Jones who says he had a three-year sexual relationship with megachurch pastor pervert Ted Haggard and helped him obtain drugs.
terycarl

United States

#38 Jan 26, 2007
Lafguy60 wrote:
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The original poster has it correct. By our trust and faith in Jesus Christ we are forgiven our sin, all of it if we confess it God and are truly sorry for committing those sins. And that is where no man has the right to judge another, that if God's right. None of us can know what is in anothers heart, that is between the individual and God. That is why there are some folks in heaven that we may consider despicable, but because they had faith in Jesus they are there and as pure as any one can be. Also, there are two commanments that Jesus Himself gave us. First, love the Lord your God with your whole heart and soul. The other is to love your neighbor as yourself. Does that mean a Christian is not required to obey the 10 commandments. No. But, it does mean the God so loved us that through His Son all sins can be forgiven.
The various protestant denominations that believe this nonsense need to re-read scripture....when our Lord was on earth, he instilled in certain members of the church that he founded, the authority over sin ie; whos sin you shall forgive, they are forgiven, whos sin you shall retain, they shall be retained....now get off your butts and get to confession as soon as possible.....it is not too late!!!!!thank you Jesus, for your pilgrim church on earth....you all know which one it is
walter troy

La Porte, IN

#40 Jan 27, 2007
kill him all child preters should be shot
warpig

Wolflake, IN

#41 Jan 28, 2007
Researched It wrote:
<quoted text>
Romans 3:23:
"23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"
We all make mistakes.
1 Peter 3:18:
"18 Christ suffered for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners to bring you safely home to God..."
Titus 3:5:
"5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,..."
Provided that the pastor has a personal relationship with Jesus Christ (including all that entails, as far as repentance goes, etc.), the pastor will still be with God in heaven, Mr. WHY. Jesus died to cover all of our sins; just because someone is a pastor does not mean they can't make mistakes or that they don't. Pastors of churches are human, just like you and me. And just like you and me, if one truly gives his life to Jesus Christ, then when Judgment Day comes, he will not be "punished for his sins" as you say, but will be rewarded for striving to live his life with/for Christ with an eternity spent in heaven with God.
(P.S. I'm not going to get into a debate about the Bible & related issues. As a Christian, I just want to clarify something I think was misrepresented.)
This man molested and had intercourse with a 12 year old girl. He did not make a "mistake" as you call it. A mistake is when you forget where you put your car keys. God is forgiving, I agree. But he also expects the government to do their job, and find this man and prosecute him.
He did NOT make a "mistake." Don't enable and make excuses for child molesters. He needs to be caught, prosecuted and if he is found gulty, pay the penalty.(I, a christian, clarified your misrepresentation also.)
hehe

Bronx, NY

#42 Jan 29, 2007
glory to god wrote:
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Amen, you are exactly right. I know as humans we can not really understand this and many Christians have a problem dealing with this. Jesus did not die for only certain sins in our lives but all sins. That means past, present and future.
PAST, PReSENT and FUTURE
quit hidding behind the mask
you are one of those, that sin all the time, but by Sunday when you confess, you are all ready to star sinning the next week and so on
do you have kids? would you have forgiven him, if this would have been your daughther?
or are you so understanding that you have done the same thing, and just 3 Holly Mary's and you are on your way to the Kingdom of God?

pettiful and sick
I do not believe in killing him, even though the earth will be alot better wiouthim, but I do believe he needs to be lock up, and yes he will then have to answer to God when he passes away.
ignorant

Bronx, NY

#43 Jan 29, 2007
Wayne Conn wrote:
i think the age of consent is 12 in mexico.
God, it kills me to see how many ignorant people are out there?
Only because her name is Spanish automatically you assume she is from Mexico? Do you even know there is more than just Mexico? Do you also call all Orientals, Chinese?
I'll be you do...

I am Spanish, and know more than you do.
The girl didn't consent to this, you idiot.

rest my case, why should I even bother, if you sound so ignorant.
Citizen Patriot

Wixom, MI

#44 Jan 29, 2007
ignorant wrote:
<quoted text>
God, it kills me to see how many ignorant people are out there?
Only because her name is Spanish automatically you assume she is from Mexico? Do you even know there is more than just Mexico? Do you also call all Orientals, Chinese?
I'll be you do...
I am Spanish, and know more than you do.
The girl didn't consent to this, you idiot.
rest my case, why should I even bother, if you sound so ignorant.
Being as the child is a minor and a victim of a sex crime, her name was not posted. I believe that the minister/preacher had a Spanish sounding name. Regardless, the person you responded to is an idiot! A twelve year old cannot consent in any state in the U.S.
glory to god

Reston, VA

#45 Jan 30, 2007
terycarl wrote:
<quoted text>
The various protestant denominations that believe this nonsense need to re-read scripture....when our Lord was on earth, he instilled in certain members of the church that he founded, the authority over sin ie; whos sin you shall forgive, they are forgiven, whos sin you shall retain, they shall be retained....now get off your butts and get to confession as soon as possible.....it is not too late!!!!!thank you Jesus, for your pilgrim church on earth....you all know which one it is
What should we re-read, any particular scripture we should look at?
glory to god

Reston, VA

#46 Jan 30, 2007
warpig wrote:
<quoted text>
This man molested and had intercourse with a 12 year old girl. He did not make a "mistake" as you call it. A mistake is when you forget where you put your car keys. God is forgiving, I agree. But he also expects the government to do their job, and find this man and prosecute him.
He did NOT make a "mistake." Don't enable and make excuses for child molesters. He needs to be caught, prosecuted and if he is found gulty, pay the penalty.(I, a christian, clarified your misrepresentation also.)
He has not been found guility of that act. We only have heard one side of the story. We as a society need to get back to innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.
glory to god

Reston, VA

#47 Jan 30, 2007
hehe wrote:
<quoted text>
PAST, PReSENT and FUTURE
quit hidding behind the mask
you are one of those, that sin all the time, but by Sunday when you confess, you are all ready to star sinning the next week and so on
do you have kids? would you have forgiven him, if this would have been your daughther?
or are you so understanding that you have done the same thing, and just 3 Holly Mary's and you are on your way to the Kingdom of God?
pettiful and sick
I do not believe in killing him, even though the earth will be alot better wiouthim, but I do believe he needs to be lock up, and yes he will then have to answer to God when he passes away.
You are absoultly correct, I do sin all the time, that is my nature. God realized we would sin again. Jesus died to cover those sins, not a get out of trouble card. I have no afflitation to the Catholic church and would not dismiss my sins with just saying hail marys or whatever else they do. Everything begins with the heart, if you are not truly sorry then you are going to do it again and again. God forgives. I do have children and yes I would agree it would be hard to forgive, and I am not going to say that I would, but with the strength of God we can do all things. I am not perfect, because I am not Jesus, nor did I claim to be. We as a society have become a society of accusser.

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