Man Holed Up in Home After Tax Verdict

Man Holed Up in Home After Tax Verdict

There are 38 comments on the The Daily Reflector story from Jan 18, 2007, titled Man Holed Up in Home After Tax Verdict. In it, The Daily Reflector reports that:

A man who has holed up with armed supporters in his cement-walled house for most of his tax evasion trial was found guilty Thursday, along with his wife, of failing to pay federal income taxes for a decade.

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Patriot820DC

Braman, OK

#21 Jan 20, 2007
Oh come on now TJA ... surely you don't believe that it is un-necessary to have an entity such as the Federal Reserve do you ?
Of course I'm aware that it is a private organization which has a contract with the government of These United States of America and of course I'm aware that the contract can be withdrawn and even re-issued to a preferable organization or be replaced by the original system .
As for the gold standard ... if I'm not mistaken it was the Federal Government which went off of the gold standard and nothing in those laws pertains to state and local governments from being exempt from the original established monetary foundation.
Do you really want to enforce the gold standard ?
Fractional Reserve Banking is a much more satisfactory system.
Maybe what we really need is to enforce the laws which state that congress can not authorise spending which would take longer than a period of 14 years to repay...(yeah that's in the Constitution )
The Federal Reserve System may not be perfect but what better system to replace it ?

You complain that you are taxed as a productive citizen and those taxes are used in part to support those who are not productive.
Do you really want to eliminate the social welfare system ?

I don't know about you, but I do believe in a hand up when possible and a hand out when necessary.
Should all welfare depend on the kind-heartedness of my fellow citizen ?

If you can come up with a better system which is at least as successful as the current then you are welcome to attempt to implement it as long as you work within the system to do so.

I mean, I don't have all of the answers and of course I'm worried that the current progression is towards extreme socialism but unfortunately neither am I yet able to propose a better system.
I'm not giving up, because I do have the responsibility to leave this world a better place then it was when I first arrived in it and I do have a responsability to work together with others for the greater good of society not just in this generation but for generations yet to follow.
I don't know who you are, but I'm not going to call you a worthless twit or an ignoramous, instead I'm going to invite you to work with me to help find answers that work.
My e-mail address is Patriot820DC@yahoo.com
I have a more private e-mail address at this time of course, but I also already have in hand my cut off of services notice if my telephone/internet bill isn't paid within the next couple of days and believe me that I don't yet even have the answer as to how I'm going to meet that obligation...but you can bet that I have plans to fire up my chain-saw and cut some firewood and hopefully I will be able to find a buyer for the small amounts I can get cut and sold before my deadline approaches.
I'm already 2 house-payments behind and my cell phone just got cut off yesterday for lack of payment and I still don't have the answers.
We are in the middle of a blizzard here today and at my age it would be foolish of me to go back in my pasture and start cutting hedge trees for firewood on a day like this but I honestly don't have other answers even to my own dilemna much less the answers to the problems of the nation... but hey... since the weather is too rough for me to go outside right now at least I can sit here at my computer for now and try to do whatever I can to help make sure that Ed Brown's situation does NOT turn into another Waco or Ruby Ridge type incident.
It seems while I was attempting to do that I might have found a way to participate in some discussion which might lead to resolutions for the nations other problems... I dunno... but thanks for your input anyway.

Take Care of yourself... good luck.


TJA

Danville, VT

#22 Jan 20, 2007
Patriot820DC:

"As for the gold standard ... if I'm not mistaken it was the Federal Government which went off of the gold standard and nothing in those laws pertains to state and local governments from being exempt from the original established monetary foundation."

Who is the Federal Goverment? The banking and business establishment that gets our federal politicians elected with $$millions$$ in campaign contributions, or the politicians beholden to them thereafter?

"Do you really want to enforce the gold standard ?
Fractional Reserve Banking is a much more satisfactory system."

Alan Greesnpan (of all people) put it authoritatively in an article published in 1967. You can find the full text of what Greenspan said about the Gold Standard here;
http://www.gold-eagle.com/greenspan041998.htm...

The gist of what he said can be found in his closing statements;
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"The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. They have created paper reserves in the form of government bonds which-through a complex series of steps-the banks accept in place of tangible assets and treat as if they were an actual deposit, i.e., as the equivalent of what was formerly a deposit of gold. The holder of a government bond or of a bank deposit created by paper reserves believes that he has a valid claim on a real asset. But the fact is that there are now more claims outstanding than real assets.

The law of supply and demand is not to be conned. As the supply of money (of claims) increases relative to the supply of tangible assets in the economy, prices must eventually rise. Thus the earnings saved by the productive members of the society lose value in terms of goods. When the economy's books are finally balanced, one finds that loss in value represents the goods purchased by the government for welfare or other purposes with the money proceeds of the government bonds financed by bank credit expansion.

In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves.

This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the "hidden" confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard."
Patriot820DC

Braman, OK

#23 Jan 20, 2007
Ok... so a certain amount of welfare is necessary to keep the system stable and even that stability depends upon liberal spending which can not occur if travel is restricted or if inflation forces conservative spending.
The Fed can help control inflation through policiies but a lot yet depends on the common sense and ingenuity of the people.
I have the authority to speak because I was the teenager in the early 1970's who wrote the term paper for Consumer Economics class in High School in Atchison Kansas in which I proposed a cashless society while writing about credit cards.
I was hassled by MENSA, Dept. of Treas., college psychology students, military personnel and other's just because I wrote that term paper.
I even have the authority to speak about Ed Brown's situation because it was person's with whom I associated with and was personally acquainted with who committed to the action which became known as the Oklahoma City Bombing incident and my life was threatened by participants beforehand for fear I would expose or prevent their plans and afterwards by many person's some who feared exposure as a participant while other's were people convinced that I must have been a participant.
Rick Stanley

Denver, CO

#24 Jan 20, 2007
The IRS Income Tax has been misapplied against Americans since it's inception. The Brubaker case at the Supreme Court said in 1915 that the 16th Amendment, did not give the federal government any new taxing powers and they still could not do a direct tax upon wages, and that has never been overturned. The IRS Income Tax has never put one dime into the federal coffers for government services. In other words people, it doesn't pay for anything, certainly not roads, military, etc
What id does do is pay for money making to the International bankers of the Federal Reserve CORPORATION, which used to be done at a fraction of the cost by the US Treasury, which by the way, is mandated by the Constitution, and pay for interest costs incurred since the fraud began. The Federal Reserve Act of 1913 is unconstitutional, it violates the Constititution and the constitution cannot be overturned by legislative action of Congress. The entire fraud of the Federal Reserve CORPORATION by legislative act and the ensuing IRS Income Tax of the 16th Amendment is unconstitutional & fraudulent from the beginning. It was designed to steal the assets of the people and put those assets in the banker's pockets. It has done that well. Congress sold out America then, and the policitians have been afraid to end the fraud for fear of their own lives since that date. The people have every right to stand up to this fraud and to "raise pitchforks" and make the federal government understand that each case will end up in stand off or the declaration of indiviadual war against the tyranny of the federal government in attempting to impose a "voluntary" tax against a state citizen. The laws should be shown to the jury in all income tax cases. Witnesses should be allowed in al income tax cases. The judiciary does not allow that to be seen by the jury. This is CRIMINAL. Americans will be saying no more. This is going to be war, being declared by the people, as it has already been declared against the people, by the government and it is going to erupt like you have never seen before. It was inevitable. You will be seeing this type of thing happening monthly from this time forward. The days of the example being made by the IRS and the government of r non-filers is over. I believe that non filers are going to chew up and spit out the government on this issue. Most Americans are sick and tired of their rights being destroyed, their money consfiscated illegally, immorally, and unconstitutionally. Our forefathers would not approve of the government that has overthrown America and instituted this criminal act upon Americans. The tax honesty movement is saying, "if I can't have the fruits of my work, the persuit of happiness, I will fight you to the death, because life is not worth living in slavery". Any American who does not grasp that is a good slave and a coward, accepting their slavery. The opinion that Americans are fed up and will not accept this treatment anymore is WIDESPREAD. The revolution has begun. This is just the first week. Watch it erupt day by day, in the future. This has been building for some time. The judiciary can do nothing about it anymore, because we know that going into their kangaroo courts is a lie, a fraud, accepting their slavery. Folks won't do it anymore. If you can't get justice in the courts, Americans will fight them outside the courts to the death, as any human being would who does not accept the chains of slavery. That is my opinion and it is shared widely across the POLICE STATE OF AMERICA. Your country has been overthrown from within and you will see the fruits of that erupting into war in the future. That is my opinion and mark it down that you heard it here on this day. God bless the fighters for freedom and liberty

Rick Stanley
http://victimsoflaw.net/Stanley.htm
http://www.stanley2002.org
http;//groups.yahoo.com/group/ TheRevolutionaryCoalition/
Mac Ringer

United States

#25 Jan 22, 2007
Excuse me but Mr. Brown is not a tax evader, he pays ALL the taxes required by the I.R. Code book.
AAE

Concord, MA

#26 Jan 22, 2007
We should as citizens give this hero all he needs. Lets do this the NH way. Everybody help him get the word out. As you notice the gestapo media is not letting this story travel too far.
jeff weinhaus

United States

#27 Jan 22, 2007
Scott Griswold wrote:
What sort of an attitude is this to adopt? If it weren't for those of us who pay taxes, you people wouldn't have roads to drive on or a military to defend us. Why would an upstanding citizen opt not to pay taxes? He sounds like a child talking back to his mother, "YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!"
Gr ow up and become part of a productive society.
They just print the money, dummy. They don't need your tax money to pay for anything. It's a big game of monopoly they are Parker Brothers!
John Normanton

Las Vegas, NV

#28 Jan 22, 2007
Good for you Ed Brown If I was in New Hampshire I would join you in armed combat against this bunch of scumbag thugs called the US Government. I hope that this sort of thing rises up all over the country
NsurgNtR3b3L

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#29 Jan 22, 2007
Very well said TJA. Glad to see that someone here reads and knows whats going on in the world around them. Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it. You would think that Americans would be outraged just by the facts of the Grace Commission Report that showed 100% of the income taxes collected in the USA do nothing more than pay the interest on the National debt. Which by the way must be payed with Federal Reserve Notes. Unfortunatly there are not enough FRN's in circulation to be able to pay that debt. Our taxes dont even touch the principle. The Country gets poorer and the Federal Reserve Banking Cartel becomes filthy rich. Its like buying a big screen plasma tv with your credit card and only making the interest payments for 80 years. And if im not mistaken President Lincoln was approached by such banking interests during the Civil War to assist him with funding the campaign against the South. And after careful deliberation Decided to make his own money as he was entitled to do per the Constitution. And so were born the Greenback dollars. Just wanted to say your state must be proud to have a well informed citizen in it's ranks.
SuiJuris

Grafton, NH

#30 Jan 23, 2007
TJA wrote:
Patriot820DC;
You are a clueless twit.
Our national debt was virtually non-existent until AFTER a Federal Income Tax was imposed on US citizens. The two most injurious landmarks in US history were the unconstitutional implementation of a Federal Income Tax and the unconstitutional subjugation of the US treasury to a beastly creation that we now know as the Federal Reserve.
They took us off of the gold standard and taxed those that produced to subsidize those that don't. Such socialistic wealth redistribution would not have been possible without the Federal Income Tax and the Federal Reserve.
Now, your US Dollars are nearly worthless and you're enslaved by a Globalist agenda that exports your children's jobs to slave-states to enhance the profits of mutli-national corporations.
TJA:

You speak the truth and it could not have been said better. Plain spoken english! People need to read the book "Creature from Jekyl Island" by G. Edward Griffin. A book I consider second only to the Bible. The film by Aaron Russo also speaks tremendous truth. FROM FREEDOM TO FACISM.

SuiJuris,
Maine
Patriot820DC

Jet, OK

#31 Jan 24, 2007
So Secret Societies rule the world, what's the big deal about that ?
If they would allow me to join then probably I wouldn't be wondering how I'm going to afford anything to eat, literally.
That doesn't mean that I'm about to cuss them and make them really angry at me.
It's bad enough that I already haven't taken the opportunities I've had to live up to my promises.
I admit I gave in to the demands of dishonest person's frequently in my life and I have allowed that to ruin the character I so very much wanted to build for myself.
I was raised to look for the good in other's and to do good things, but I guess I never realized the wisdom of not casting my pearls before swine.
I now am entitled to be judgemental of other's.

No, it ain't the banking industry I'm angry with...they are only trying to keep me from being like the one's who have taken from me.
Sam Pyka

Dallas, TX

#33 Jan 25, 2007
Rout out the IRS and the Federal Reserve.
Send the criminals to Puerto Rico.
If we do not stop this out of control spending, we won't have enough left out of paychecks to buy food.
I would rather support 3 drumk sailors on a 3 day pas than these idiots in the federal gov't.
Alex Jones

Boxford, MA

#34 Jan 30, 2007
An alternate solution would to take his property when he and his wife die. Let the man live in his home that he paid for and worked for. At some future time the home would be much more valuable than the 650,000 that he owes. Let's say Ed and his wife live 20 more years and the value of the property is worth twice as much as it is now. Would the greedy government still make a hefty profit? Yes. Your government can put them both in jail for 10 years at a cost of 30,000 per year times two with a total bill to the taxpayer of 1,200,000.00 exceeding what they now owe. Which accounting method would best serve the publics interest here?

At least one form of TAX punishment is more humane than the other.

I think most of us have not learned from History and we have forgot how to throw more Tea in the Boston Harbor. Taxation without representation!

“The truth will set you free!”

Since: Mar 07

United States

#35 Jun 8, 2007
Alex Jones wrote:
An alternate solution would to take his property when he and his wife die. Let the man live in his home that he paid for and worked for. At some future time the home would be much more valuable than the 650,000 that he owes. Let's say Ed and his wife live 20 more years and the value of the property is worth twice as much as it is now. Would the greedy government still make a hefty profit? Yes. Your government can put them both in jail for 10 years at a cost of 30,000 per year times two with a total bill to the taxpayer of 1,200,000.00 exceeding what they now owe. Which accounting method would best serve the publics interest here?
At least one form of TAX punishment is more humane than the other.
I think most of us have not learned from History and we have forgot how to throw more Tea in the Boston Harbor. Taxation without representation!
I feel that this has nothing to do with money. This is more about control. Obey your master and do not ask questions. Besides even if the Browns DID pay the money it does NOT go to the American people. The Federal Income Tax does not fund our government. If we all stopped paying, the only thing that would happen is the Feds would lose control of their illegal ocupation of this country.
doris lacy

Palm Desert, CA

#36 Jun 15, 2007
The Browns are correct in their view of the
illegality of the income tax and is very clear.
However, by force the U.S. Government ignors the law and the rest of America are just sheeps.

The Pentagon is in support of illegal immigrants stating they want the army to be
50% or more in the future. It doesn't matter
what the American citizens wants, as our
government has already sold us out long ago.

The lies the government told as to Iraq to get
us into War, is very common and is always used to start a war. The Somolia war we were told
that we had to go save the starving children in
Africa, and showed us pictures of the Nigerian
famine children that were old pictures to get the support of the American people. The
government knew that two of the major oil corporations had contracts with one group of
warriors, and then the other group overthrew
the ones that had the contract with the oil
company. So, the American soldiers were sent
in (to save the starving children) when they
were sent in to support the contract the oil
companies had with the defeated war lords.
Thats the story of BlackHawk Down, and dragging our pilots through the dirt. However,
the news media and Americans didn't seem to
notice.

We need to fight for our country here in America not in Iraq. It is certainly true
as to the legal status of the Income Tax, as
any attorney can tell you.

We are becoming more enslaved by the Globalist
every day, and with the amnesty and failure
to control our Country, we have lost the
battle, through the multi-national corporations
who control our country.

We no longer need a REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT,
we need a straight democracy due to the
advancement in technology. The representative
government was fine at the beginning, but we
need a REVOLUTION to obtain the right to vote
for all of our citizens.

The Supreme Court in the BUSH DECISION to make
him King, stated the American people DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO VOTE and they are clearly
correct. In a representative government we
can only vote for a representative only and
we have no constitutional right to vote as
a representative government.

IF THE BROWNS DIE, I DO NOT BELIEVE THE
AMERICAN PUBLIC WILL WAKE UP. THEY SAW
THE CHILDREN BURNED ALIVE BY THE FEDERAL
GOVERNMENT IN WACO, AND NO ONE SEEMED TO
CARE. THEY ONLY SEEMED TO CARE ABOUT THE
OKLAHOMA CITY BABIES THAT WERE KILLED, AND
I GUESS SOME CHILDREN ARE MORE VALUABLE
THAN OTHERS.

the globalist and multi-national corporations
have already taken over our government, and
our representatives in congress and the
president believe they are our representatives
and we are children and our views and votes
don't count, as they are the masters of the
universe and can determine on their own what
is in our best interest. This is why there
is such a dis-connect between the American
people and their votes, which really do not
count. That is why we do not have a paper
trail so they can say anything they want.

We need a pure democracy and all votes are
counted with a receipt to each voter that can
be accounted for in every state. But believe
me, we will never get a PAPER TRAIL VOTE, nor
a PURE DEMOCRACY, as the politicians have taken
over through the representative vote.

THE INCOME TAX LAW CLEARLY STATES THAT IT IS
FOR OFF-SHORE CORPORATIONS. The judges are
owned by the government and always rule in
favor of our government.

A revolution is the only way we we ever be able
to fight and save our country. Our children
are wasting their lives and time fighting in
Iraq, but should be here in this country fighting for our rights as Americans.

“The truth will set you free!”

Since: Mar 07

United States

#37 Jun 15, 2007
Scott Griswold wrote:
What sort of an attitude is this to adopt? If it weren't for those of us who pay taxes, you people wouldn't have roads to drive on or a military to defend us. Why would an upstanding citizen opt not to pay taxes? He sounds like a child talking back to his mother, "YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!"
Gr ow up and become part of a productive society.
Sir the federal income tax DOES NOT pay for the roads, schools and any other government service. It goes as PROFIT to foreign banks. You pay taxes at the pump to fund the roads, like 43 cents a gallon!!. Home owners pay property taxes to fund the schools. Not one penny of the federal income tax funds government!!!!!!!!! We are being robbed!!!!!!!!!!
Rick_F

Virginia Beach, VA

#38 Jun 21, 2007
It seems to me that "We the People" need to use the power and tools at our disposal. If you think taxes are evil, then get some support and run for Congress to make the change. Or support a candidate who is willing to fight for your cause. This mixture of vindictive and falsehoods spouted by anti-tax folks does nothing, and will certainly not change the attitudes of those who are OK with paying taxes.

Like me.
Ted

Toronto, Canada

#40 Jan 17, 2011
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