Man Holed Up in Home After Tax Verdict

Man Holed Up in Home After Tax Verdict

There are 38 comments on the The Daily Reflector story from Jan 18, 2007, titled Man Holed Up in Home After Tax Verdict. In it, The Daily Reflector reports that:

A man who has holed up with armed supporters in his cement-walled house for most of his tax evasion trial was found guilty Thursday, along with his wife, of failing to pay federal income taxes for a decade.

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John Campbell

Fort Worth, TX

#1 Jan 18, 2007
Good for him. Now, where is the rest of America durring this tyranny. Just to think, a man found guilty of evading VOLONTARY Income Tax. Now, a government that is suposed to be working for We The People, the American Citizens' plans to take every thing that he owns away from him. They also probably have plans to end his life. They will place frivolous gun charges against him and so forth. The King has set his armies forth to collect exessive taxation. I guess that the Constitution and the Decleration of Independence are nothing more than a sheet of paper to most of America. Due to my own opression, I can not go to this fellow Americans side, but I plan to pray for him.
Please forward this to the Man and his Wife.
I kneel and pray;
“Thy God, the Almighty, Father of Christ, Lord Jesus, give me the strength to endure such tyranny that has been set upon me by the corruption that has in-gulped this nation and that of mankind. And give me the courage to stand up against such a beast. I ask upon thy Lord God, to give me the knowledge, understanding, and wisdom for such a battle. That I, that of man, do not have the strength, as only of one, to conquer myself. I ask this in Jesus’ name,“Amen”.”
J.C.
M Polick

Riverview, MI

#2 Jan 18, 2007
Stand your ground, Mr, Brown! I support you 100%!
Scott Griswold

Roslindale, MA

#3 Jan 18, 2007
What sort of an attitude is this to adopt? If it weren't for those of us who pay taxes, you people wouldn't have roads to drive on or a military to defend us. Why would an upstanding citizen opt not to pay taxes? He sounds like a child talking back to his mother, "YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!"
Gr ow up and become part of a productive society.
Chiefsteve

Portland, OR

#4 Jan 19, 2007
Scott Go back to Russia where you belong you murder-complicit fascist-pig!
Don in Stoughton

Low And Burbanks Grant, NH

#5 Jan 19, 2007
Here are a few questions

As "income" is not a common law term nor is it defined in the Constitution, what is the technical definition of "income"?
Is the "Income tax" a direct or indirect tax as the 16th amendment does not revoke the direct and indirect tax in the main body of the Constitution as defined by usage therein?
Why are the People denied their right to challenge the "income tax" in court by Declaratory Judgment
under 28 USC s 2201?

Why isn't the term "income" specifically defined as required by law, and how is it, that you cannot challenge the "tax laws" unless you have been brought up on charges,just like it use to be under King George III?

WOW, are the tax laws so bad you can only challenge them at peril of going to jail?

What constitutional principle support thsi?
blackspeak

Falls Church, VA

#6 Jan 19, 2007
Waco cometh the Plainfield. God help 'em.
TJA

Danville, VT

#7 Jan 19, 2007
Scott.... I used to share your views for many years until I saw the big picture.

This country began its slide into tryanny and fiscal insanity AFTER implementing a FEDERAL income tax. That's all that is at issue here Scott - a FEDERAL income tax. Our unconstitutional military misadventures (undeclared wars)and insane "entitlement" spending programs have all been enabled by a Federal income tax.

Your roads would still get paved and police protection would still be provided without a Federal income tax. Federal gasoline taxes would still fund interstate highways. US tariffs on imported goods, alcohol taxes, tabacco taxes, etc. would still pay for essential federal services. But,$315 BILLION for wars in Iraq? It wouldn't happen anymore Scott.
TJA

Danville, VT

#8 Jan 19, 2007
blackspeak,
New Hampshire probably wouldn't tolerate a "Waco" the way that Texas did. This is largely a libertarian state where virtually everyone is armed and where no one pays a state income tax or a state sales tax. It is a libertarian utopia and the Feds won't find much tolerance here for police-state tactics. And, by-the-way, I've been a police officer for most of the last 30 years.
Alex Jones

Plymouth, MA

#9 Jan 19, 2007
Why let the government ruin this family when illegals come and get free heath care and welfare. I guess Mr Brown and the rest of us should pay for that too? Ive got a bridge I can sell the government. We are slaves to a greater power it's called greedy government power. Don't forget the Judges paycheck comes from them also. Our out of control government knows what is good for you... it's called bend over I'm the Tax man coming over.
new hampshire nick

Manchester, NH

#10 Jan 19, 2007
scott your just a fine example of a GOOD LITTLE SLAVE
Saddened

Gaylord, MI

#11 Jan 20, 2007
It is a sad state of affairs Mr. Brown is not allowed to present his argument in court. Why is he prevented from doing so? Something is not right here.
TJA

Danville, VT

#12 Jan 20, 2007
Nick,
I suspect that "Scott" is probably a Federal employee, and perhaps even a Federal law enforcement officer. In which case, he's beyond beyond being a "slave." He'd be working as the enforcement arm of the "enslavers." Federal law enforcement officers are largely drones who follow orders without conscience.
Mike

Plainfield, IL

#13 Jan 20, 2007
Scott Griswold wrote:
What sort of an attitude is this to adopt? If it weren't for those of us who pay taxes, you people wouldn't have roads to drive on or a military to defend us. Why would an upstanding citizen opt not to pay taxes? He sounds like a child talking back to his mother, "YOU CAN'T MAKE ME!!"
Gr ow up and become part of a productive society.
Scott

The problem is Mr. Scott is that between county, state and federal taxes they confiscate some 25 trillion dollars out of the economy EVERY YEAR. 50% OF OUR INCOME GOES TO TAXES IF NOT MORE. When do the PEOPLE have the POWER TO SAY ENOUGH?
TJA

Cary, NC

#14 Jan 20, 2007
Libertarian Utopia? For how long? The way I see it, NH is likely being infected by its neighbor to the south.

Don't worry, though, there are SOME of us Bay Staters who are Libertarians/Conservatives and who DO stand with you.
Patriot820DC

Braman, OK

#15 Jan 20, 2007
Thanks to people like Ed Brown, national sovereignty can-not continue.
When the country is un-able to repay with added interest all of the money it has borrowed from private individuals and privately held organizations then a national debt occurs.
The income tax is merely one method by which these borrowed monies are re-payed.
If Ed Brown and his ilk are against paying an income tax of some sort then too should they ought to take an open stance against the govt. payment of (oh by the way ...."tax free" )...interest on T-Bonds and Notes.
When the national debt becomes large enough then the nation must at some point declare bankruptcy, and when this occurs then the nation is no longer sovereign, but is then owned by the private lenders who in turn relinquish their claim to a central global entity which will someday assert itself as the owner of the world.
Ed Brown should be given to understand that if Tim McVeigh (who was known to have associated with me) had become an international fugitive then the world court would already be in place with the blessings of the United States Government who so far has resisted under claims of sovereignty even though already recognized by the United Nations as a member "state" and not a sovereign country.
The United States was mistakenly believed to be insolvent before it was discovered that huge reserves of necessary minerals were in place, un-used and previously un-accounted for.
The discovery of such prolonged the time-frame in which the nation could legitimately be declared bankrupt but has not prevented the inevitable outcome of mis-conceived loyalties.
Ed Brown is not proud enough of his country to help prevent it's downfall.
With Ed Brown's help it shouldn't be much longer until a global tax levied against private citizens becomes a reality.
The One-World-Government led by Satan himself is well on it's way to fruition thanks to fools like McVeigh and Brown.
Although as yet un-determined whether it is the people individually or as a whole that have the Constitutional RIGHT to be armed, there are NO assurances ANYWHERE that the people will not have to pay their just portions of the nations debts.
If Ed Brown were holding an open protest to replace the current income tax with a national sales tax and if he were willing to impart with the percentage of his net worth and holdings which would be equivalent to the rate at which he would have been taxed in the years for which he did not file then he might have some prevailing sympathy from among the people and perhaps even policy-makers too, but refusing to impart with any percentage to the nation he professes to love and protect the rights of shows that he is a liar and the truth is not in him. In fact it shows that he is greedy and self-centered.
*permission to distribute with name and county of residency attached.
Donald Ross Cole
3439 Vista Road
Lost Springs, Marion County, Kansas
66859
Patriot820DC

Braman, OK

#16 Jan 20, 2007
If there is a law with which we disagree then we have the right, indeed even the responsibility to work effectively within the system to do all that we can do to change that law, but we rarely have the right to break that law and the limits placed upon us before we do have the right to break that law are profound to say the least.
While it is true that each of us has justifiable reasons to distrust our government it is equally true that a paranoia based upon lies and misconceptions can only lead to un-necessary troubles.
Although the events of Kent State, Waco and Ruby Ridge will be studied for many generations yet to come, it is doubtful that a similar event at the home of Ed Miller would ever be more than just a foot-note.
If the courts decide that the property of Ed Miller should be forfeited to the government of these United States of America then it might be much more intelligent if the agents of the government don't bother to go in and disarm the inhabitants, but merely build a wall around the property and begin sending in like-minded prisoners because it is already understood that the inhabitants believe themselves to be good and righteous people who would never begin a shooting war anyway.
If they did begin the shooting war then they already know what the outcome would be and that certainly would not include masses of civilians coming to the rescue in a great civil-war because the base arguement is already flawed.
Mike

Plainfield, IL

#17 Jan 20, 2007
Patriot820DC wrote:
Thanks to people like Ed Brown, national sovereignty can-not continue.
When the country is un-able to repay with added interest all of the money it has borrowed from private individuals and privately held organizations then a national debt occurs.
The income tax is merely one method by which these borrowed monies are re-payed.
If Ed Brown and his ilk are against paying an income tax of some sort then too should they ought to take an open stance against the govt. payment of (oh by the way ...."tax free" )...interest on T-Bonds and Notes.
When the national debt becomes large enough then the nation must at some point declare bankruptcy, and when this occurs then the nation is no longer sovereign, but is then owned by the private lenders who in turn relinquish their claim to a central global entity which will someday assert itself as the owner of the world.
Ed Brown should be given to understand that if Tim McVeigh (who was known to have associated with me) had become an international fugitive then the world court would already be in place with the blessings of the United States Government who so far has resisted under claims of sovereignty even though already recognized by the United Nations as a member "state" and not a sovereign country.
The United States was mistakenly believed to be insolvent before it was discovered that huge reserves of necessary minerals were in place, un-used and previously un-accounted for.
The discovery of such prolonged the time-frame in which the nation could legitimately be declared bankrupt but has not prevented the inevitable outcome of mis-conceived loyalties.
Ed Brown is not proud enough of his country to help prevent it's downfall.
With Ed Brown's help it shouldn't be much longer until a global tax levied against private citizens becomes a reality.
The One-World-Government led by Satan himself is well on it's way to fruition thanks to fools like McVeigh and Brown.
Although as yet un-determined whether it is the people individually or as a whole that have the Constitutional RIGHT to be armed, there are NO assurances ANYWHERE that the people will not have to pay their just portions of the nations debts.
If Ed Brown were holding an open protest to replace the current income tax with a national sales tax and if he were willing to impart with the percentage of his net worth and holdings which would be equivalent to the rate at which he would have been taxed in the years for which he did not file then he might have some prevailing sympathy from among the people and perhaps even policy-makers too, but refusing to impart with any percentage to the nation he professes to love and protect the rights of shows that he is a liar and the truth is not in him. In fact it shows that he is greedy and self-centered.
*permission to distribute with name and county of residency attached.
Donald Ross Cole
3439 Vista Road
Lost Springs, Marion County, Kansas
66859
\
MR COLE

The problem is Mr. Scott is that between county, state and federal taxes they confiscate some 25 trillion dollars out of the economy EVERY YEAR. 50% OF OUR INCOME GOES TO TAXES IF NOT MORE. When do the PEOPLE have the POWER TO SAY ENOUGH?
Mike

Plainfield, IL

#18 Jan 20, 2007
I pay some $7,500 in property taxes a year on a house I bought in 1984 for $120,000. The house is now worth $650,000 (and that's insane). I do not have access to that 'money' between what's it's worth and what I owe. There is speculation that our taxes are going for the 4 year in a row but this time it's going up twice of what it did last year. I am anticipating that it will go up to around $9,500. So screww you Mr. Cole. This doesn't include the states taxes I pay. The federal taxes I pay. The sales tax I pay. The gasoline taxes I pay. I bought a computer from Texas and shipped to me and the seller charged me sales taxes.
My city that I live in is proposing to increase there sales tax by 1.5%.
Now, my only reason that you think the way you do is that you just happened to get a bad batch of CRACK!
Patriot820DC

Braman, OK

#19 Jan 20, 2007
oh you are so not alone. Not very many years ago I had a net-worth of close to 1/4 of a million dollars myself and currently my net worth is less than 1/10th of that and disappearing faster than I can come up with ideas to save it.
I am so very close to losing my home and becoming homeless ( again ) and believe me I am worried about it.
I must admit though that much much more of that money has went to the fuel companies and insurance companies then have ever went to the tax man.
When do I have the right to say enough is enough ?
Can I please just operate a business without having so many regulations and exhorbitant rates from insurance companies and can I please be able to haul my equipment around at affordable rates ?
( oh yeah... I already had to sale my equipment to keep up living expenses when I wasn't allowed to operate because I lacked degree's and certifications even though I never had a mishap... years ago those weren't required but now insurance companies are forcing local governments to implement regulations against those who are too poor or too elderly to attend classes )
Ok.. so taxes do take a big chunk of the dollar... as long as you have over 49%(actual figures closer to 82%) of the population dependent in some way on government income then the income taxes collected can never outweigh the wages and salaries.
When you have people dependent on welfare, farmers and corporations dependent on subsidies, govt. employees paid at wages much much higher than can be earned in the private sector, govt. salaries at rates which attract shysters over concerned citizens to work for the government, state and local governments collecting grants and funds with which they pay wages, contractors dependent on govt. contracts .. etc. etc... then the percentage of people dependent on govt for their livelyhoods is well above the percentage of private citizens who are left footing the bill.
It does seem as if there is a war to eliminate the private citizen and it does seem as if failure of society is the only option.
I realize the frustrations are great and the responsibilites are accepted and mishandled by shysters and crooks who are only after the prestige and the money, but hey..... you and I do have the right to run for office. We do have the right to accept the responsibility.
We have a system in place in this country and we have the responsibility to work within the system.
I know the system seems to only work for those with the money to wage a campaign, but it is possibe for a poor man to get elected.
You do have my permission to write my name in on the 2008 ballot.
Cutting govt. wages and salaries won't be easy especially without the backing of congress and standing down the military while securing our borders and maintaining our natl. sovereignty will be even more difficult, but the responsibilities can be met and the objectives acheived.
A responsive militia instead of a standing army... Now that's Constitutional !
The People have a right to prosper.
TJA

Danville, VT

#20 Jan 20, 2007
Patriot820DC;

You are a clueless twit.

Our national debt was virtually non-existent until AFTER a Federal Income Tax was imposed on US citizens. The two most injurious landmarks in US history were the unconstitutional implementation of a Federal Income Tax and the unconstitutional subjugation of the US treasury to a beastly creation that we now know as the Federal Reserve.
They took us off of the gold standard and taxed those that produced to subsidize those that don't. Such socialistic wealth redistribution would not have been possible without the Federal Income Tax and the Federal Reserve.
Now, your US Dollars are nearly worthless and you're enslaved by a Globalist agenda that exports your children's jobs to slave-states to enhance the profits of mutli-national corporations.

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