Coyote Killing Contest Sparks Outrage...

Coyote Killing Contest Sparks Outrage in New Mexico

There are 1270 comments on the ABC News story from Nov 17, 2012, titled Coyote Killing Contest Sparks Outrage in New Mexico. In it, ABC News reports that:

A gun store-sponsored competition in which hunters shoot and kill as many coyotes as they can has sparked outrage among activists in New Mexico who have called it a "heinous killing contest." Animal Protection of New Mexico posted a petition on its website, rallying against the contest, which is sponsored by Gunhawk Firearms of Los Lunas.

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“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#381 Nov 25, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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You completely missed the point. Let’s try this, I’ll not quote your entire post.
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Why exactly did you bring a child into the debate? Notice, I didn’t say scenario. Do try to keep up.
Now you have the grandchild opening the gate and asked what would have happened then. What would have happened if you were at work. You would go to work leaving a 4 year old home alone? Regardless, still your responsibility to keep your dog under control. Your dog, your gate, your responsibility.
If your dog comes onto my property I’ll take whatever action I deem necessary. If your dog is aggressive and on my property it will be shot. I don’t care who left the gate open, the dog will die.
Spare me your invisible deity. It has no relevance in this debate.
"Now you have the grandchild opening the gate and asked what would have happened then. What would have happened if you were at work. You would go to work leaving a 4 year old home alone?"
Dude....Did it EVER occur to you that maybe I do not live alone and that another member of the household could be having visitors while I am at work? Just sayin'. There are so many different scenerios that COULD happen that could lead to a dog getting loose.

"If your dog is aggressive and on my property it will be shot."
When did this become an "aggressive" dog scenerio? I thought it was just a "dog" on the property.?
Wow

Huntsville, AL

#382 Nov 25, 2012
Churmudgeon wrote:
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sick. Does toturing animals get you off?

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#383 Nov 25, 2012
And he is very good at baiting everyone. Quite a nice job too. Caught quite a lot and it is not even CyberMonday.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#384 Nov 25, 2012
A compliment btw. You catch his scent and the race is on. And he is winning. Quite a few scalps to his credit.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#385 Nov 25, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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I had a similar problem with squirrels and decided to handle it as a rodent problem. Not my fault the squirrels ate the “food” I put out for mice. I’ve not seen a squirrel in months.
I’ve not advocated for the elimination of any species. As for humans, do come on my property and be destructive. I will confront a human under those circumstance and will confront them. If they become aggressive toward me I’ll “fear for my life” and shoot them as well. Like it or not, the law would be on my side.
People such as yourself make me ill. You think simply because someone leaves your gate open I should tolerate your dog being on my property to do whatever your dog might do. Recently a dog came on my property. In fact, it came inside my garage while I was in the garage. Seemed friendly enough, it didn’t get shot.
"People such as yourself make me ill."
Really? Maybe you could explain exactly what it is about me that makes you ill? The fact that I would handle the situations you mentioned in a similar manner as you would, except for the squirrels of course.

I could say the same about you. People like you make me ill. You put out poison for squirrels or mice, with absolutely no regard for whatever else might get into it.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#386 Nov 25, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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What exactly is a healthy ecosystem? The ecosystem changes over time. Long before man came along species would die off. You’re using generic terms in the same fashion you use your invisible deity. You’re simply attempting to find someone or something to agree with you.
"What exactly is a healthy ecosystem? The ecosystem changes over time."
Really? It does. Did they forget to cover that in my environmental science class? Thank you for sharing this bit of knowledge with me. Guess my raccoon won't be back next year because of all the changing that occured, huh?

BTW, the word "healthy" applies to any ecosystem, no matter what state it's in. There should always be a diversity of plant and animal species. That includes predator AND prey, no matter the habitat type, location, stage of succession, etc....

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#387 Nov 25, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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Raccoons do not have friends. Don’t believe me; attempt to pet your “friend”. More amusing would be watching you attempt to pick it up.
I have respect for all wild creatures. I know what they are capable of when they feel threatened. Do you think I'm stupid?

BTW, "friend" is a loose term. It means she has a certain amount of trust in me, and I know where that limit is.

One more thing: I hope you aren't one of those that goes around spreading false rumors about how "agressive" and "mean" raccoons are. I've heard that crap from others- who have never encountered a wild raccoon- who was just repeating what they heard from someone else- also who had never encountered a wild raccoon.

I have inadvertantly trapped dozens of raccoons in my yard who were not my intended targets and not one was ever aggressive towards me. In addition, I have had wild raccoons climb up me and stand on the top of my head. This is no sh**! I was trying to get them out of dumpsters where they would have died if someone hadn't done something to help. Nineteen in all I rescued, three of which used me as a ladder to jump out to safety!

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#388 Nov 25, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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Given our modern day uber liberal educational system hunter education would have all the animals talking and getting along like Dr. Dolittle.
There is some middle ground, Dude. Some people believe animals are no better than garbage and they treat them that way. There are others who think like the example you just gave. I fall in the middle. People could stand to be kinder to living creatures. I'm not against hunting, but I am against cruelty and unnecessary killing.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#390 Nov 26, 2012
nope wrote:
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not me, but we have more than our share throwback goober idiots like you here. So there is no need for you to but in.
Who is we? This is an open forum, deal with it.

You're still clueless in New Mexico.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#391 Nov 26, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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"Now you have the grandchild opening the gate and asked what would have happened then. What would have happened if you were at work. You would go to work leaving a 4 year old home alone?"
Dude....Did it EVER occur to you that maybe I do not live alone and that another member of the household could be having visitors while I am at work? Just sayin'. There are so many different scenerios that COULD happen that could lead to a dog getting loose.
"If your dog is aggressive and on my property it will be shot."
When did this become an "aggressive" dog scenerio? I thought it was just a "dog" on the property.?
Did it ever occur to you personal responsibility isn’t impacted by number of people you live with? You stated what if you were at work. If someone else was in your home such as your spouse it would be her responsibility to look after the four year old. You spoke as if nobody would be there to take responsibility.

I never stated any dog. Why would I shoot a friendly dog? I would shoot any coyote on my property.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#392 Nov 26, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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"What exactly is a healthy ecosystem? The ecosystem changes over time."
Really? It does. Did they forget to cover that in my environmental science class? Thank you for sharing this bit of knowledge with me. Guess my raccoon won't be back next year because of all the changing that occured, huh?
BTW, the word "healthy" applies to any ecosystem, no matter what state it's in. There should always be a diversity of plant and animal species. That includes predator AND prey, no matter the habitat type, location, stage of succession, etc....
In your mind healthy ecosystem is what you deem it should be. Once again, long before man the ecosystem was and still is in constant change.

The ecosystem would be just fine without coyotes.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#393 Nov 26, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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I have respect for all wild creatures. I know what they are capable of when they feel threatened. Do you think I'm stupid?
BTW, "friend" is a loose term. It means she has a certain amount of trust in me, and I know where that limit is.
One more thing: I hope you aren't one of those that goes around spreading false rumors about how "agressive" and "mean" raccoons are. I've heard that crap from others- who have never encountered a wild raccoon- who was just repeating what they heard from someone else- also who had never encountered a wild raccoon.
I have inadvertantly trapped dozens of raccoons in my yard who were not my intended targets and not one was ever aggressive towards me. In addition, I have had wild raccoons climb up me and stand on the top of my head. This is no sh**! I was trying to get them out of dumpsters where they would have died if someone hadn't done something to help. Nineteen in all I rescued, three of which used me as a ladder to jump out to safety!
Now friend is a loose term. To me friend has real meaning.

“Why call 911? 1911 is faster”

Since: Feb 08

Wesley Chapel, FL

#394 Nov 26, 2012
Raptor in Michigan wrote:
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There is some middle ground, Dude. Some people believe animals are no better than garbage and they treat them that way. There are others who think like the example you just gave. I fall in the middle. People could stand to be kinder to living creatures. I'm not against hunting, but I am against cruelty and unnecessary killing.
I’m not for cruelty. However, if I don’t want coyotes, squirrels or other pests on my property that’s not unnecessary killing.Next you’ll be all about saving the flies and roaches.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#395 Nov 26, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you personal responsibility isn’t impacted by number of people you live with? You stated what if you were at work. If someone else was in your home such as your spouse it would be her responsibility to look after the four year old. You spoke as if nobody would be there to take responsibility.
I never stated any dog. Why would I shoot a friendly dog? I would shoot any coyote on my property.
What makes you think my spouse is a "her?"

I have no control over the behavior of another individual, especially when I'm not with them. If I am at work, and he has company, I cannot force him to be as observant as I would be as to what the four year old and the dogs are doing.

We all know that men are not as reliable and trustworthy as women. They get wrapped up in bsing with their buddies and they forget anything else exists. It takes just a second for the dog to slip out an open door and be gone. I should never come home to find out someone killed MY dog because a member of my household was irresponsible and let him get out.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#396 Nov 26, 2012
Yeah, nice sexist comment. And men are about as reliable and trustworthy as coyotes. Good thinking. Obviously got to you before morning coffee. Quite open on four legged animals. Good to see your views on the two legged type.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#397 Nov 26, 2012
Willothewisp wrote:
Yeah, nice sexist comment. And men are about as reliable and trustworthy as coyotes. Good thinking. Obviously got to you before morning coffee. Quite open on four legged animals. Good to see your views on the two legged type.
Struck a nerve, did I?
Well it's true. One time he had a visitor and as he stood in the doorway bsing with this person, the dog slipped right through and got out. Luckily, I was there and was able to capture the dog before he ran out to the road.

That's why women are better at watching kids too. We can actually walk and chew gum at the same time. Men cannot focus on two things at once or they hyperventilate.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#398 Nov 26, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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In your mind healthy ecosystem is what you deem it should be. Once again, long before man the ecosystem was and still is in constant change.
The ecosystem would be just fine without coyotes.
So in your mind it would also be fine without man? Doesn't that blow a hole in the argument that man is needed to control populations? The coyote population does not need to be controlled by us. But prey species do need to be controlled by some kind of predator, whether it's coyotes or wolves.

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#399 Nov 26, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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Now friend is a loose term. To me friend has real meaning.
Still hoping to find one?

“Conserve Wildlife Habitat”

Since: Dec 10

SE Michigan

#400 Nov 26, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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I’m not for cruelty. However, if I don’t want coyotes, squirrels or other pests on my property that’s not unnecessary killing.Next you’ll be all about saving the flies and roaches.
I don't go out of my way to kill insects. Most insects, I will not kill.
Dr Freud

Sandefjord, Norway

#401 Nov 26, 2012
eternal cynic wrote:
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In your mind healthy ecosystem is what you deem it should be. Once again, long before man the ecosystem was and still is in constant change.
The ecosystem would be just fine without coyotes.
"The ecosystem would be just fine without coyotes."

Exactly!
When one species leaves, another will move in to replace the function it served. As much has happened throughout history.

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