APD To Stop Carrying Personal Firearms

APD To Stop Carrying Personal Firearms

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“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#1 May 8, 2014
http://www.koat.com/news/apd-tells-officers-s...

This makes sense. Not. DOJ? Not. Wonder why there are so many different firearms sold? Feel and sight radius and grip and weight and caliber and.....etc... This is a case of one size fits none. Want to shoot a gun you are comfortable with and good with or something someone else buys for you that they think works great? And the Wonder Nine? Enough of the bashing. A bad policy for anyone who has to carry in order to protect themselves and others.
Darwin lives

Rio Rancho, NM

#2 May 9, 2014
I think the DOJ got this right. There IS a certain fetish for firearms in law enforcement. It's one of the few things cops can "customize" and be a modern dirty harry.

Feel lucky today ....punk?

IMO, there'd be no shootings if every person who was looking at a DRAWN service revolver did ONE thing. I mean it is pointed at the suspect.

Get on the ground face down and spread eagle.

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#3 May 9, 2014
If only criminals would do the same, or not be criminals in the first place.
Horace

United States

#4 May 9, 2014
CornDogz wrote:
If only criminals would do the same,.
What?!? Are you advocating gun control? How dare you!

Return your tea party hat right this instant, young man. LOL
coyote

Biloxi, MS

#5 May 9, 2014
There may be justification for SOME limits on the type and modifications allowed. I strongly suspect that, in the Ellis accidental shooting, the "was that me?" officer was likely carrying a single action auto with a lightened trigger pull. That is great for improving your score on the range, but far from an ideal "field" gun, for the danger of accidental discharge under high stress conditions.
On the other hand, making an officer trade in a gun with which he is shooting 95% for one where he struggles to shoot 90% is endangering the life of that officer.
As to DOJ demonization of guns as "high powered", I don't recall any reports of shootings with desert Eagles or 500 S&Ws. They pretty much seem to be using 9mm,.40 or .45, all calibers long accepted for law enforcement use, and pretty close to each other in muzzle energy. The DOJ PR offensive is just that, offensive, like most of the obamanations of the current administration.
Just as a carpenter or mechanic needs to choose the tools of his trade, so does a cop, within reason. A carefully thought out policy on personal firearms and modifications, arrived at in consultation with the cops on the street would be more appropriate than a knee jerk reaction to shouting from either DOJ or Vecinos United.

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#6 May 9, 2014
coyote wrote:
There may be justification for SOME limits on the type and modifications allowed. I strongly suspect that, in the Ellis accidental shooting, the "was that me?" officer was likely carrying a single action auto with a lightened trigger pull. That is great for improving your score on the range, but far from an ideal "field" gun, for the danger of accidental discharge under high stress conditions.
On the other hand, making an officer trade in a gun with which he is shooting 95% for one where he struggles to shoot 90% is endangering the life of that officer.
As to DOJ demonization of guns as "high powered", I don't recall any reports of shootings with desert Eagles or 500 S&Ws. They pretty much seem to be using 9mm,.40 or .45, all calibers long accepted for law enforcement use, and pretty close to each other in muzzle energy. The DOJ PR offensive is just that, offensive, like most of the obamanations of the current administration.
Just as a carpenter or mechanic needs to choose the tools of his trade, so does a cop, within reason. A carefully thought out policy on personal firearms and modifications, arrived at in consultation with the cops on the street would be more appropriate than a knee jerk reaction to shouting from either DOJ or Vecinos United.
I agree coyote. Bringing up the type of weapon used (within reason) is just more misdirection from the issue at hand. Those complaining are advocating for criminals with this action - IMO. Typical lawyers and supposed victim advocates who have other agendas.

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#7 May 9, 2014
Darwin lives wrote:
I think the DOJ got this right. There IS a certain fetish for firearms in law enforcement. It's one of the few things cops can "customize" and be a modern dirty harry.
Feel lucky today ....punk?
IMO, there'd be no shootings if every person who was looking at a DRAWN service revolver did ONE thing. I mean it is pointed at the suspect.
Get on the ground face down and spread eagle.
Rule #1
DOJ had nothing to do with this.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#8 May 9, 2014
coyote wrote:
There may be justification for SOME limits on the type and modifications allowed. I strongly suspect that, in the Ellis accidental shooting, the "was that me?" officer was likely carrying a single action auto with a lightened trigger pull. That is great for improving your score on the range, but far from an ideal "field" gun, for the danger of accidental discharge under high stress conditions.
On the other hand, making an officer trade in a gun with which he is shooting 95% for one where he struggles to shoot 90% is endangering the life of that officer.
As to DOJ demonization of guns as "high powered", I don't recall any reports of shootings with desert Eagles or 500 S&Ws. They pretty much seem to be using 9mm,.40 or .45, all calibers long accepted for law enforcement use, and pretty close to each other in muzzle energy. The DOJ PR offensive is just that, offensive, like most of the obamanations of the current administration.
Just as a carpenter or mechanic needs to choose the tools of his trade, so does a cop, within reason. A carefully thought out policy on personal firearms and modifications, arrived at in consultation with the cops on the street would be more appropriate than a knee jerk reaction to shouting from either DOJ or Vecinos United.
Single action? Semi-auto btw. No more prone to accidental discharge than most. People have accidental discharges with DAO, Single Action Only (SAO)? Cocked and locked. Would most likely have had to be a Browning Hi-Power (9mm) or a 1911 or a Sig and I don't think so. It is called NO Finger On The Trigger unless you are going to shoot. The safety is between your ears.

The other common variant is DA/SA. Or a Glock. Most have a stock gun that has been tuned. The safety of the firearm is still between your ears.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#9 May 9, 2014
"CBS4 News has learned a total of 23 officers fired a total of at least 377 rounds." At two unarmed men trapped in a crashed Volvo. Miami, Florida.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/06/police-s...

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#10 May 9, 2014
http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3430808.s...
Seems that the APD union feels a similar way. Like wearing shoes that don't feel right or driving a car you don't like. One size fits none. Choice between a Glock and a S&W.
CPT Crunch

Rio Rancho, NM

#11 May 10, 2014
Willothewisp wrote:
http://www.koat.com/news/apd-t ells-officers-stop-carrying-pe rsonal-guns/25881416
This makes sense. Not. DOJ? Not. Wonder why there are so many different firearms sold? Feel and sight radius and grip and weight and caliber and.....etc... This is a case of one size fits none. Want to shoot a gun you are comfortable with and good with or something someone else buys for you that they think works great? And the Wonder Nine? Enough of the bashing. A bad policy for anyone who has to carry in order to protect themselves and others.
It's so they can mimic Clint Eastwood's soliloquy in 'the most powerful handgun made' while in front of a mirror, until they get to turn off their camera, and blow someone away with an unloaded, and inoperative throwdown as they have in numerous cases from Peter Klunck, to Manuel Ramirez, to poor Mary Hawkes. If Blade Runner Oscar Pistorius is set free O.J. Simpson-style, watch for him to take a job with Albuquerque PD. He has everything they're looking for- killer instinct, ability to lie convincingly, cutesy name, and amazing ability to chase down rival gang members and execute them on the spot, lol.
CPT Crunch

Rio Rancho, NM

#12 May 10, 2014
Darwin lives wrote:
I think the DOJ got this right. There IS a certain fetish for firearms in law enforcement. It's one of the few things cops can "customize" and be a modern dirty harry.
Feel lucky today ....punk?
IMO, there'd be no shootings if every person who was looking at a DRAWN service revolver did ONE thing. I mean it is pointed at the suspect.
Get on the ground face down and spread eagle.
Rule #1
It's not just that. Law Enforcement can get BETTER CONTROL and EXERCISE BETTER ACCOUNTABILITY from officers equipped with the same type of weapon. For one thing, with a privately-bought weapon, officers are free to buy a spare barrel, or even barrel, bolt and slide assembly, and then commit a crime (the way so many Albuquerque PD officers do on and off the job) and then merely go back to their original barrel. With an agency-issued weapon, that has fired each weapon and recorded ballistics on the spent bullet, there immediately would be a way to trace the weapon back to any officer who's been moonlighting as a button man, or serious questions about WHY the original barrel issued isn't on the weapon. It makes TERRIFIC sense, and only the lemming-like Albuquerque PD supporters who think they should be free to execute anyone they want to, for whatever reason they want to, could oppose such a move. Channel 4 News and others need to ASK:
Who was that silencer registered to under BATFE Class III Rules/Laws: The Albuquerque PD or the individual officer? Did the individual officer purchase that silencer through APD to circumvent paying the $200. BATFE fee, background search, and agreement to let BATFE visit his home 24/7/365 to check for its location? APD is SCARY to those of us who've retired from law enforcement (Deputy Sheriff-Colorado) because what we are seeing is CRIMINAL THUGS WEARING UNIFORMS AND 50 LB. BADGES. Law Officers, REAL law officers don't behave like Albuquerque Cops. And they're worried the show 'Cops' will give Albuquerque a 'bad name', ROTFLMAO.
CPT Crunch

Rio Rancho, NM

#13 May 10, 2014
CornDogz wrote:
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I agree coyote. Bringing up the type of weapon used (within reason) is just more misdirection from the issue at hand. Those complaining are advocating for criminals with this action - IMO. Typical lawyers and supposed victim advocates who have other agendas.
Wrong, wrong, wrong. Some of us WERE law officers (Deputy Sheriff-Colorado). Many of the criminals are wearing uniforms and 50lb. badges at Albuquerque PD. If you'd been paying attention over the past 34 years you would know that. It's not just the killings of people on the job, it's murdering people off the job, like a wife and stepfather, raping 13 and 14 year old girls, and grown women, dealing drugs, running auto insurance fraud rings, prostitute protection rackets, looting the evidence room, trying to steal cable services (20+ cops), committing FRAUD on USDoJ grant request and then misspending the money (USA Today, April 11, 2005, "Auditors Fault Albuquerque Police"). and so on. These ole boys more closely resemble the 'largest, best paid, best-armed, best-equipped, best organized GANG in the state of New Mexico' than they do a police department. It would NOT surprise me a bit if the murderer of those 11 women found on the West Mesa WAS an Albuquerque PD officer, or a retired one. Detective Bruce McAllister, who got $450,000 in a secret deal to hush about what was going on in the Evidence Room thefts after he was caught with a locker full and a trunk full of dope and cash sure knew how to make prostitutes disappear after one of them accused HIM of rape. She has still not been found to this date. Open your eyes and ears to see clearly. If this were a business that has produced as many criminals, the Nuisance Abatement Team/Safe City Strike Force would have RUN IT OUT OF TOWN as a 'Public Nuisance'. It's a small department relatively and it has put out A LOT of crooks- and our DAs- ALL OF THEM - have enabled their crimes by either not prosecuting, manipulating grand juries into not producing a Bill , or 'phoning-in' the prosecution after YEARS of delays when they weren't able to manipulate the grand jury.

“Each Thought Creates A Reality”

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#14 May 10, 2014
CPT Crunch wrote:
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It's so they can mimic Clint Eastwood's soliloquy in 'the most powerful handgun made' while in front of a mirror, until they get to turn off their camera, and blow someone away with an unloaded, and inoperative throwdown as they have in numerous cases from Peter Klunck, to Manuel Ramirez, to poor Mary Hawkes. If Blade Runner Oscar Pistorius is set free O.J. Simpson-style, watch for him to take a job with Albuquerque PD. He has everything they're looking for- killer instinct, ability to lie convincingly, cutesy name, and amazing ability to chase down rival gang members and execute them on the spot, lol.
You must have greeted our boys returning from VN in a similar manner. Any other stereotypes you would like with your rant?

“US Navy”

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#15 May 10, 2014
Sounds like the crunch has a personal axe to grind. If he was ever a LEO I can see why he'd be fired with that attitude. Got to be one of the fools who took over the council mtg or someone the APD prosecuted at some point. Quite disturbing he's roaming about society off his chems.
Nope

Huntsville, AL

#16 May 10, 2014
the organizational discipline and professionalism that are needed requires standard issue. Their personal fetishes can be indulged on their own time,

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#17 May 11, 2014
Nope wrote:
the organizational discipline and professionalism that are needed requires standard issue. Their personal fetishes can be indulged on their own time,
You really do know your firearms and about its use in self-defense. Just like the military. Standardized.

“US Navy”

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#18 May 11, 2014
Willothewisp wrote:
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You really do know your firearms and about its use in self-defense. Just like the military. Standardized.
Hogwash, the military has totally different reasons for standardization of firearms that have no connection whatsoever to the APD.

“US Navy”

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#19 May 11, 2014
So what are these personal firearms (types/calibers etc) that people object to? Come on naysayer critics, nows your chance to tell us all just exactly what they are and why they are sooooooo bad.

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#20 May 11, 2014
CornDogz wrote:
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Hogwash, the military has totally different reasons for standardization of firearms that have no connection whatsoever to the APD.
Glad it passed the TIC test with you.

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