Stalled gun control bill returns to the legislative process, this...

Feb 12, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Daily Lobo

The once-defeated Firearms Transfer Act has returned to active debate in the Legislature after it was revised to focus exclusively on gun shows.

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IMHO HB77 should not be passed. Criminal records and mental health records should be shared with the Federal Government, but this should be a separate law, not included in a gun control law. Background checks will not deter criminals from purchasing firearms so why burden the law abiding citizens with this bureaucratic red tape at gun shows. This proposal was just a knee jerk reaction to the various tragedies in the last few weeks.

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Criminals will hesitate to buy at gun shows because the cost will be too high. Cheaper on the black market I suspect and/or from a personal party. They certainly won't go to licensed dealers who are required to do BG checks on all sales.

So what in the end is this sort of legislation addressing and accomplishing? Its keeping the honest - honest (which isn't necessary), and its allowing the government to track all guns sold after some future date. It will do some good perhaps, but nowhere to the extent the backers expect it to. What it does is promote a false sense of safety. It fools the public with window dressing. It doesn't address the criminal element nor keep guns out of their hands.

Better to ban criminals thru law enforcement (in part), which is exactly why many of us own a gun. Eliminate the need and you might adequately have a cure!!

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I note too that it appears the BG checks for a purchase from a private citizen as opposed to a dealer, has been dropped. That's a major step, and a good one IMO as enforcement would have been almost 100% impossible to do.

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And to believe that you can predict the future actions of anyone...some have their first break in their teens...others in their twenties. Women seem to have their first break later. Lets talk bipolar, or schizophrenia...some triggered by SSRI antidepressants or smoking the evil weed in their adolescence. So, in order to control for that, the only solution is to get rid of all firearms, except in the capable hands of the police and military.

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Willothewisp wrote:
And to believe that you can predict the future actions of anyone...some have their first break in their teens...others in their twenties. Women seem to have their first break later. Lets talk bipolar, or schizophrenia...some triggered by SSRI antidepressants or smoking the evil weed in their adolescence. So, in order to control for that, the only solution is to get rid of all firearms, except in the capable hands of the police and military.
How many police and military suffer from mental illness?
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criminals buy guns anywhere so can we as law abiding citizens. i say vigilance is the answer ....

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How many police and military suffer from mental illness?
But they are constantly monitored. Look at APD and LAPD. They probably suffer from the same per cent as found in the general population and then you add the stress. My guess is that they sort that out in the beginning with mental health checks, like they want to do with us. Works.

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But they are constantly monitored. Look at APD and LAPD. They probably suffer from the same per cent as found in the general population and then you add the stress. My guess is that they sort that out in the beginning with mental health checks, like they want to do with us. Works.
Is that why APD is trigger happy?

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Works with us.

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House Committee could hear HB 302 NEW YORK-Style Gun & Magazine Ban, This Coming THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 21!

HB 402 by state Representative Stephen Easley (D-Eldorado), bans the future possession, transfer and transport of so-called “assault weapons” or “large-capacity ammunition-feeding devices.” All such property owned in New Mexico prior to July 1, 2013 would be grandfathered, but the burden of proving ownership prior to that date is placed on the owner. Proving the date of purchase can be almost impossible and serial numbers do not exist on many magazines.

Ownership of the affected firearms and magazines could not be transferred AT ALL. The only means of disposing of them would be through a gun “buyback” or turn-in program to law enforcement – no inheritance, no allowing a friend or relative to take custody of the prohibited property, no selling or transferring the property out-of-state or even to a federally-licensed dealer. Grandfathered owners of the firearms described below would be required to store them in a locked gun safe at all times except when the guns are being transported or used. Transport would only be lawful if the firearm is unloaded, any detachable magazine is removed and the gun is equipped with a triggerlock.

The definition of “assault weapon” in HB 402 is an unmitigated disaster. It doesn’t list specifically-banned models and instead imposes a “one-feature test” for rifles, shotguns and pistols, as well as a catch-all for “a semi-automatic version of an automatic rifle, shotgun or firearm.” A banned feature for both semi-automatic rifles that can accept a detachable magazine and semi-automatic shotguns would be a “secondhand grip” OR a “protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand.” Of course, ALL rifles and shotguns feature some sort of secondary gripping surface, as by definition they are designed or made to be fired from the shoulder and gripped with two hands.

HB 402 also bans ammunition feeding devices with a capacity to accept more than ten rounds of ammunition or that contain more than seven rounds of ammunition.

This is one of the worst gun control bills filed in the entire country. You can read the proposed measure yourself at http://www.nmlegis.gov/lcs/_session.aspx Chamber=H&LegType=B&Le gNo=402&year=13

It is expected that the House Consumer & Public Affairs Committee will hold a public hearing on HB 402 on Thursday, February 21, at 1:30pm or upon adjournment of the House in Room 315 of the State Capitol. You will want to confirm that it’s on the committee agenda come Tuesday or Wednesday by visiting http://www.nmlegis.gov/lcs/agecalendars.aspx . Make plans to attend this hearing and voice your opposition to HB 402. If the measure advances from this committee, it will move onto the House Judiciary Committee. Please also call and email committee members and urge them to oppose HB 402 (see listing below for committee member contact information.)

Recommendations for testimony/constituent contact:
• Keep your comments under one minute and try not to repeat previous points made.
• Be respectful and polite when communicating with lawmakers. Lists of committee members can be found here http://www.nmlegis.gov/lcs/committees_standin...
• Speak to the bill and issue at hand, not a general constitutional argument. For talking points against so-called “assault weapons” bans and limits on magazines, visithttp://www.gunbanfacts.co m/

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That is http://www.gunbanfacts.com/ For facts on what is really an assault weapon etc..
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finally a representative not beholden to the industry.

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Nor to the people Nor to the Bill of Rights
A former university professor and 7 years with Uncle Bill's administration. He is free of all strings. He is not beholden to anyone. Especially his constituents.
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He is not beholden to anyone. Especially his constituents.
match his constituents. He was elected by a wide margin and at a forum here a few weeks ago the support for legislative action on this was solid. It is only the lunatic fringe that believes that we can't include public safety measures. Now if parts of this are unworkable, that is a different matter and can be tweaked.

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Yeah, don't pay attention to the State Constitution or the Bill of Rights. Parts of this unworkable? Tweaked? Prove you bought a magazine 15 years ago? Like the death tax. Better to spend all your money now and save your estate from the taxman. Give all your guns away now. They own your property? Let's just do gun registration. Lets register all the guns in the US now. Good thinking. Make those who are law abiding and responsible criminals.
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Willothewisp wrote:
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whah, whah, whah.

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No they are not. They do not even train often. Ask any cop how many hours a year they train.

Self-defense is your responsibility, and it is your obligation in society to defend others as well. That's what it means to live in a free society. Stop looking for excuses to pawn it off and burden law enforcement, who depend on YOU to do your part.
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But they are constantly monitored. Look at APD and LAPD. They probably suffer from the same per cent as found in the general population and then you add the stress. My guess is that they sort that out in the beginning with mental health checks, like they want to do with us. Works.

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you really are clueless, right?

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And whom are you speaking of, Willo? I'm not sure if you are kidding or not, but you are not kidding, then you should be aware that your arguments are not only not true, they are dangerous for the good of all society.

Police are for ASSISTANCE, not total reliance on self-defense or protecting your community. When the whole community is threatened, it is our duty as citizens and obligation to society to take up arms. Period. It is not possible for any police agency or government authority to take on such a burden, just as it is logically impossible for any minority to defend the majority.

History, sociology, anthropology, and every social science known to mankind confirms this basic fact.

YOU are responsible for your own protection. YOU are obligated to help those around you in your community. To assume that burden belongs exclusively to the police is not only wrong, it is immoral and unethical by every known standard on earth.

Double so if you think police are well trained. They most certainly are not, and never have been. They hardly train with firearms at all, unless they volunteer to do so, or come from a military background. None the less, over the years police became lazy like anyone else, and if they don't have to train, they simply won't.

And even if they were made to train far more often than now, and experts with weapons, that still does not negate the facts that they are still for assistance, not total reliance.

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The right to bear arms was never meant for some personal, selfish desire, and not strictly for one's own personal protection, though that is also valid. It is a based on a social obligation to defend your family and your community. This is called good citizenship.

It is astounding that people seek to violate this basic and universal human right on a regular basis around the world.

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