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http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/federa...

A Federal Appeals Court weighs asylum bid from German Home Schoolers. Immigration slackens requirements. We give asylum to bombers and illegals. We don't increase background checks or enforce the laws. We accept home schooling as a legal alternative in the US. It is illegal in many countries in Europe and the children are often separated from their parents. This family is seeking asylum for the basic freedoms.

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From HSLDA (Home School Legal Defense Association):

April 24, 2013

Romeike Update: Is that tolerance?

Yesterday, surrounded by friends and supporters, the Romeike family sat silent in the courtroom before the three-judge panel that will decide whether or not the family can remain in the United States to homeschool their children. The six wooden benches in the small courtroom quickly filled up with homeschooling families—some with children finishing their schoolwork for the day—and several more stood in the back during the 38-minute hearing.

HSLDA Chairman Mike Farris opened the hearing and was quickly peppered by questions by the panel. The judges seemed skeptical as to whether Germany specifically targets homeschoolers. At one point, a judge asked whether Germany persecutes homeschoolers if it permits parents to teach their children at the end of the day, after the child has attended a government school.

In reply, Farris quoted published decisions from German courts, which explained that the ban on homeschooling exists to prevent the development and spread of religious or philosophically-motivated “parallel societies,” and which concluded that it was dangerous for a child to be taught by their mother.

When asked about parallel societies, Justice Department attorney Walter Buchinni admitted he did not know what the term meant, but claimed HSLDA was taking the point out of context. Buchinni also admitted that, even if the Justice Department wins the case, he did not know whether the family would be forcibly deported or whether they would be allowed to remain in the United States.

During the final rebuttal, Farris was told that there is no clear anti-Christian bias and that one reason for Germany’s strict public education laws is to teach tolerance.“If that’s tolerance,” Farris replied,“it’s a tolerance unknown in a free society.”

After the case ended, the Romeikes and their supporters filed out of the courtroom and gathered outside the building. Farris cautioned the supporters that there was no accurate way to predict the judges’ decisions solely based on the questions they asked.“I remember arguing a case before a California court in 2008 and being convinced that we had lost,” he said.“We ended up winning unanimously. So I know God can intervene.”

“The support from homeschoolers yesterday was incredible in two ways,” Farris observed.“First, the court room was packed, and that was absolutely wonderful and clearly made an impact. Second, I know there were thousands upon thousands of homeschoolers who were actively praying on a continual basis and during the actual hearing, and the impact of the prayer was real.”

He also said that HSLDA will continue to intervene for the Romeikes if the panel returns an unfavorable decision, including a potential appeal to the United States Supreme Court.

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Willothewisp wrote:
From HSLDA (Home School Legal Defense Association):
April 24, 2013
Romeike Update: Is that tolerance?
Yesterday, surrounded by friends and supporters, the Romeike family sat silent in the courtroom before the three-judge panel that will decide whether or not the family can remain in the United States to homeschool their children. The six wooden benches in the small courtroom quickly filled up with homeschooling families—some with children finishing their schoolwork for the day—and several more stood in the back during the 38-minute hearing.
HSLDA Chairman Mike Farris opened the hearing and was quickly peppered by questions by the panel. The judges seemed skeptical as to whether Germany specifically targets homeschoolers. At one point, a judge asked whether Germany persecutes homeschoolers if it permits parents to teach their children at the end of the day, after the child has attended a government school.
In reply, Farris quoted published decisions from German courts, which explained that the ban on homeschooling exists to prevent the development and spread of religious or philosophically-motivated “parallel societies,” and which concluded that it was dangerous for a child to be taught by their mother.
When asked about parallel societies, Justice Department attorney Walter Buchinni admitted he did not know what the term meant, but claimed HSLDA was taking the point out of context. Buchinni also admitted that, even if the Justice Department wins the case, he did not know whether the family would be forcibly deported or whether they would be allowed to remain in the United States.
During the final rebuttal, Farris was told that there is no clear anti-Christian bias and that one reason for Germany’s strict public education laws is to teach tolerance.“If that’s tolerance,” Farris replied,“it’s a tolerance unknown in a free society.”
After the case ended, the Romeikes and their supporters filed out of the courtroom and gathered outside the building. Farris cautioned the supporters that there was no accurate way to predict the judges’ decisions solely based on the questions they asked.“I remember arguing a case before a California court in 2008 and being convinced that we had lost,” he said.“We ended up winning unanimously. So I know God can intervene.”
“The support from homeschoolers yesterday was incredible in two ways,” Farris observed.“First, the court room was packed, and that was absolutely wonderful and clearly made an impact. Second, I know there were thousands upon thousands of homeschoolers who were actively praying on a continual basis and during the actual hearing, and the impact of the prayer was real.”
He also said that HSLDA will continue to intervene for the Romeikes if the panel returns an unfavorable decision, including a potential appeal to the United States Supreme Court.
It is hard see government struggle with freedoms. May God shower favor on family all homeschooled/ers.

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http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighb...

Also good to know that Holder's Justice Department is spending the time to deport this potentially dangerous family back to Germany, where home schooling is illegal. As it was under Hitler. Good move on immigration and asylum.

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Also good to know that Holder's Justice Department is spending the time to deport this potentially dangerous family back to Germany, where home schooling is illegal. As it was under Hitler. Good move on immigration and asylum.
Pathetic!
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Pathetic!
pulling out the Hitler card when the attorney general defends our rule of law?

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No Hitler card pulled out. It is history. Ignore it like you usually do. A freedom here is not recognized in Europe. Maybe we would do better to emulate their Constitutions and rights and then our own. Seems that the point is that we lessen immigration controls and background checks when it suits our own views. When it comes to a compelling case, we don't want to upset our allies.

Putin tells us that we ignored their warnings. We will listen to the Piper and lose.

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Good to see the regular flamer offers nothing but ashes to the thread. It would take some thought to do otherwise.
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No Hitler card pulled out. It is history.
enough with Hitler BS. His use of the education system to teach race hate, anti-intellectualism and other right wing values is a red herring in this context.

Most civilized countries require their kids to go to a real school - be it public, private or church run. Germany is no different. To seek asylum meant for torture victims and other extreme cases because they won't let you take your kids out of school during the day is a big stretch. In a system that needs more scrutiny, it seems like a pretty thin excuse for seeking asylum that could be misused by more people.
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You mean wrote:
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pulling out the Hitler card when the attorney general defends our rule of law?
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Sorry German family, the DHS and justice dept is busy granting asylum to muzzie murderers, getting them all comfy and rich, ignoring their terrorist leanings and warning from their govt. Sheltering them as they commit felony theft and prepare devices to kill as many of their hosts as possible.

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Please wrote:
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enough with Hitler BS. His use of the education system to teach race hate, anti-intellectualism and other right wing values is a red herring in this context.
Most civilized countries require their kids to go to a real school - be it public, private or church run. Germany is no different. To seek asylum meant for torture victims and other extreme cases because they won't let you take your kids out of school during the day is a big stretch. In a system that needs more scrutiny, it seems like a pretty thin excuse for seeking asylum that could be misused by more people.
The US, as you do not seem to know, does allow the freedom to choose where and, by in large, how you educate your children. Many of the founders of this country were home schooled. And if you knew history or read the cites you would know that Germany has continued the home school ban SINCE Hitler. They continue to consider home schooling illegal and against state interests. Home schoolers in NM register each year with NMPED. It is all legal. What, you want to funnel the choices to private or government schools? Might help if you educate yourself- on your own.
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Willothewisp wrote:
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The US, as you do not seem to know, does allow the freedom to choose where and, by in large, how you educate your children. Many of the founders of this country were home schooled. And if you knew history or read the cites you would know that Germany has continued the home school ban SINCE Hitler. They continue to consider home schooling illegal and against state interests. Home schoolers in NM register each year with NMPED. It is all legal. What, you want to funnel the choices to private or government schools? Might help if you educate yourself- on your own.
that the US allows home schooling. Why do think spelling bees still exist? How do you think that cult compounds can keep their kids away from learning that there are laws against polygamy and statutory rape?

If you consider it equivalent to torture that some countries want to maintain basic educational curriculum and teacher standards, that is radical overstatement. This is not unique to Germany. There is no prohibition of religious education. And if someone want to emigrate because they prefer a different educational system, let them get in line and not pretend that they deserve an exception on this basis. That is the good conservative view.

Again Hitler is irrelevant to this conversation and to modern German educational standards. Another turd on the sidewalk thrown in as a special effect.

There was no universal educational opportunity for the founding fathers or for anyone else in those days - so another irrelevancy.
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lolol wrote:
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lying bigot.

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Please wrote:
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enough with Hitler BS. His use of the education system to teach race hate, anti-intellectualism and other right wing values is a red herring in this context.
Most civilized countries require their kids to go to a real school - be it public, private or church run. Germany is no different. To seek asylum meant for torture victims and other extreme cases because they won't let you take your kids out of school during the day is a big stretch. In a system that needs more scrutiny, it seems like a pretty thin excuse for seeking asylum that could be misused by more people.
To have freedom to educate own children as see fit is an important case. You either misunderstand concept value of homeschooling or have other nefarious agenda. Do not you believe freedom? Or do you believe children government owned?

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that the US allows home schooling. Why do think spelling bees still exist? How do you think that cult compounds can keep their kids away from learning that there are laws against polygamy and statutory rape?
If you consider it equivalent to torture that some countries want to maintain basic educational curriculum and teacher standards, that is radical overstatement. This is not unique to Germany. There is no prohibition of religious education. And if someone want to emigrate because they prefer a different educational system, let them get in line and not pretend that they deserve an exception on this basis. That is the good conservative view.
Again Hitler is irrelevant to this conversation and to modern German educational standards. Another turd on the sidewalk thrown in as a special effect.

There was no universal educational opportunity for the founding fathers or for anyone else in those days - so another irrelevancy.
Education was not mandatory for the founding fathers. Mandatory education is more of a modern concept.

Bismarck helped the foundation of the modern and mandatory educational system run and regulated by the government. Unfortunately they cannot micromanage and dictate to many private and home schools. You just have to register with the state and in NM and be able to prove that you have the mandatory attendance record.

In Germany it is ILLEGAL except in rare circumstances. Schools, both public and private have to be approved programs. Not like in the USA. That means that a family that wants to school their own children are not able to.

Your sarcasm about spelling bees shows your disdain and lack of knowledge. How it hurts you is beyond me. But it seems that there are always those who believe that mandatory and government is the best and final solution to our ills. The poor masses who wander blindly away from statist standards.

And glad you dismiss the Hitler marker for German education. It can't happen here. No reason to know or learn from your history. After all, it is in the past.
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Huszar wrote:
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or have other nefarious agenda. Do not you believe freedom? Or do you believe children government owned?
lunatic assertion.
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Another wrote:
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lying bigot.
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muzie enabler from santy gheys one liner book lolol
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Huszar wrote:
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irrelevant hype for the weak minded drones.
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Huszar wrote:
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not Hitler's law and has nothing to do with him. If you are going to play the Christian card, don't distort and lie.

It is common practice in other countries with their own reasons for doing it. Germany is a modern, successful democracy with better schools, better worker protections and less unemployment than we have here. There are still have right wing fascists, nativist and skinheads there, but they don't run the schools.

Is mandatory formal schooling religious persecution? Of course not. Is the fact that we have looser educational requirements here a legitimate reason for granting asylum as an exception to the regular immigration process? No - not in a world where there are people being killed and tortured for political and religious reasons.
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lolol wrote:
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Sorry German family, the DHS and justice dept is busy granting asylum to muzzie murderers, getting them all comfy and rich, ignoring their terrorist leanings and warning from their govt. Sheltering them as they commit felony theft and prepare devices to kill as many of their hosts as possible.
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