NM lawmaker seeks background checks o...

NM lawmaker seeks background checks on private sales of firearms and purchases at gun shows

There are 145 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Jan 4, 2013, titled NM lawmaker seeks background checks on private sales of firearms and purchases at gun shows. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

People who buy firearms in private transactions and at gun shows would be subject to background checks under a bill that a New Mexico legislator plans to introduce this month.

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There

Huntsville, AL

#24 Jan 6, 2013
lolol wrote:
easy to fix
have an ATF agent and psychiatrist at every gun show, flea market, craigslist advertiser and want ads gun owners house to do a background check and mental health evaluation of prospective gun buyer. obama would wet himself at the prospect of hiring hundreds of thousands new SEIU member employees of the federal govt.
is nothing wrong with trying to close this loophole. One way would be to have the guns in secure storage until a background check and waiting is completed, if the gun dealer needs to move onto the next show.

I don't mind having a trained professional doing that job. If he is unionized and paid a decent salary, all the the better for society as a whole.

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#26 Jan 6, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
Works for me but he also needs to remember that law abiding citizens also purchase guns at gun shows.
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Now having never gone thru this, how does one get the gun delivered to them after the waiting and vetting period - USPS, UPS, FedEx? And that cost coupled with insurance and other incidental costs in the event the gun is lost? All provided of course if the dealer you purchase from doesn't live in your home town.
Good thinking. So now you will have to do that to sell or TRANSFER a firearm...like to a child or relative. And that would provide what protection? The law-abiding citizen will follow it like ducks to the water. And so...?

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#27 Jan 6, 2013
for child, read, of legal age to possess etc.. and the psychiatric review or evaluation is so much magic show. no way can they even predict suicidal behavior and whether a person will actually commit suicide. want to predict homicide. take a look at adjudicated or felony and that is not a predictor. it is the law and can be found in the simple NICS search. people obviously don't understand how the mental health system works. screen for DUI? or look at the people's records? and what happens even there.

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#28 Jan 6, 2013
Willothewisp wrote:
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Good thinking. So now you will have to do that to sell or TRANSFER a firearm...like to a child or relative. And that would provide what protection? The law-abiding citizen will follow it like ducks to the water. And so...?
The devil will be in the details. I suspect if passed initially it will be tested by lots of lawyers so they get their piece of the money action. Then more fixes, more legal tests etc etc etc.

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#30 Jan 6, 2013
Here I am JudgeIt! queen, quick. You did your deed in the post above. Off to another thread - hurry, follow me stalker!
Already There

Los Alamos, NM

#31 Jan 7, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
Works for me but he also needs to remember that law abiding citizens also purchase guns at gun shows.
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Now having never gone thru this, how does one get the gun delivered to them after the waiting and vetting period - USPS, UPS, FedEx? And that cost coupled with insurance and other incidental costs in the event the gun is lost? All provided of course if the dealer you purchase from doesn't live in your home town.
This really won't change anything, given most crimes used in robberies are stolen ones anyway. It just sounds good, another way to make politicians look as if they are doing work. You cant' sell guns to a felon or someoen with a domestic violence or restrainign order out, anyway, and nothing will change due to this legislation.

More fake problem solving to make the politicos look good on the news screen. This way, people do nto see the news reports showing corruption or real investigative journalism about what they are doing the rest of the time.
Already There

Los Alamos, NM

#32 Jan 7, 2013
lolol wrote:
easy to fix
have an ATF agent and psychiatrist at every gun show, flea market, craigslist advertiser and want ads gun owners house to do a background check and mental health evaluation of prospective gun buyer. obama would wet himself at the prospect of hiring hundreds of thousands new SEIU member employees of the federal govt.
The Auroroa gunman would still buy his guns under this law, and the newest mass murderer, would still be autitistic and unable to possess, but fine to "borrow" from his mother, the gun he used.
Nothing will change.

The kid wasn't mentally ill, he was developmentally disabled. Why did the gun range, since his disability was apparent to everyone , let him practice military tactics there?
Uuuh

Huntsville, AL

#33 Jan 7, 2013
Already There wrote:
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You cant' sell guns to a felon or someoen with a domestic violence or restrainign order out, anyway, and nothing will change due to this legislation.

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if there is no background check at a gun show, how would the dealer know?

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#34 Jan 7, 2013
Already There wrote:
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The Auroroa gunman would still buy his guns under this law, and the newest mass murderer, would still be autitistic and unable to possess, but fine to "borrow" from his mother, the gun he used.
Nothing will change.
The kid wasn't mentally ill, he was developmentally disabled. Why did the gun range, since his disability was apparent to everyone , let him practice military tactics there?
do you want to give the site for the Asperger's and PD Dx'd 20 year old for practicing, shooting etc. at a gun range? or not. he left his bushmaster in the car. 2 handguns he wasn't legally supposed to have and off'd himself when he heard police coming 10 minutes after the slaughter had commenced. 10 minutes.

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#35 Jan 7, 2013
Already There wrote:
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This really won't change anything, given most crimes used in robberies are stolen ones anyway. It just sounds good, another way to make politicians look as if they are doing work. You cant' sell guns to a felon or someoen with a domestic violence or restrainign order out, anyway, and nothing will change due to this legislation.
More fake problem solving to make the politicos look good on the news screen. This way, people do nto see the news reports showing corruption or real investigative journalism about what they are doing the rest of the time.
In general I agree with your post but IMO mental illness is the culprit that this scenario can address - provided many other things fall into place too. All we can do is address it a piece at a time as there is no one size fits all solution. But again, the devil is in the details.

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#36 Jan 7, 2013
Uuuh wrote:
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if there is no background check at a gun show, how would the dealer know?
Some do, some don't. I think it currently boils down to whether the seller is a licensed dealer or a private citizen - at the gun shows. For LDs its required(?) for PCs it isn't, as I understand it anyway.
Already There

Los Alamos, NM

#37 Jan 7, 2013
Uuuh wrote:
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if there is no background check at a gun show, how would the dealer know?
It does not matter, you sell to a felon, you go to jail-same applies to private purchases.

In the old days, you could go down to the county clerk office, and check, same for warrants, any time.

And, anyone can call the hotline anyway. But, you are responsible for what you do. Same as if you sel la stolen car-if you did nto know, that does nto stop you from going to jail.
Already There

Los Alamos, NM

#38 Jan 7, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
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Some do, some don't. I think it currently boils down to whether the seller is a licensed dealer or a private citizen - at the gun shows. For LDs its required(?) for PCs it isn't, as I understand it anyway.
It's required for anyoen if you are transferring possession-for example, if you give a gun to a son-in-law, and he kills someone with it, you are guilty of passing a gun to a felon if he is one, regardless of whether you knew at the time, or took his word for it. There have been numerous cases in other states I've lived in where that was true, it would be here, if local courts and cops did somethign other than pick one serious crime and convict o nthat only, largely due to the fact there are not enough judges and other monies to pay for it.
Already There

Los Alamos, NM

#39 Jan 7, 2013
CornDogz wrote:
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In general I agree with your post but IMO mental illness is the culprit that this scenario can address - provided many other things fall into place too.
Mental illness does not stop you from owning a gun, Federal Courts have already ruled that way. Being non- compos-mentis, or mentally incompetent, is . Since that has already been decided under Federal Law, Case Law, it's irrelevant as to whether the state passes legislation anyway.

The Newtown kid was NOT mentallly ill, he was autistic, and adjudicated incompetent. His mother committed a felony each and every time she let him handle a gun, not to mention the gun range let him train in military tactics with military weapons, knowing he was autistic. The fault here lies with the bad parenting, and the gun range, not the laws. They had already covered that. Incompetent people cannot own guns, and if you've read court minutes and details before, you know posession of a firearm means your hand touches it, anywhere on the weapon.

And each group, from the range, to the mother, to neighbors, all knew he was incompetent-LaPierre mentioned it in his statement. But they let him own and operate it anyway.

So, passing these laws, is like expanding the amber alert thing-makes it sound good for a govenror and politicos who are not, and are not familiar with the law. Didjer notice they got the pretty facees agai nto state opinions, and not lawyers, on TV? Kid was autisitic, not mentally ill, and he was incompetent.

BTW, I love someoen very much, who is retarded. She is not incompetent, but her family sexually abused her, and physically beat her, into submission til she had dependent personality disorder. when I met her, I got her to sto pbeing so shy, explained to her the shenanigans the people were pulling, and she even read a book for kids, even to now, about assertiveness, and it has stopped. She was never incompetent, and despite a court ruling needed to enforce that, the police and everyoen else listened to her family, isntead of her. But I was raised by a good ol' southern boy, and that crap does not sit well with me at all, and now she is pretty much speaking otu and back to everyone. She has tons of friends too. But her family would have had control, under the idea they promulgated of her incompetence otherwise. She is mentally retarded, and nothign has changed due to that. But that does not make her a lesser person, in any way. She votes, and has rights liek every other New Mexican, including yourself. and that is as our Founding Father, including my family who helped write the bill of Rights, intended!

Newtown was ausitic, not mentally ill. already deemed incompetent, too. The legislation will not change a thing.

Since: Nov 11

Salt Lake City, UT

#40 Jan 7, 2013
Uuuh wrote:
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if there is no background check at a gun show, how would the dealer know?
ALL licensed dealers do background checks. Even at gun shows. The "gunshow loophole" is a unicorn. Private sellers are the ones that are not required to do background checks.
Already There

Los Alamos, NM

#41 Jan 7, 2013
http://news.yahoo.com/gunmans-mother-kept-tri...
"Russell Hanoman said Adam Lanza was "clearly a troubled child."
Hanoman said Nancy Lanza told him she introduced guns to Adam as a way to teach him responsibility.
"Guns require a lot of respect, and she really tried to instill that responsibility within him, and he took to it. He loved being careful with them. He made it a source of pride," he said."
so, you guys gonna argue she taught him how to shoot, at the house, inside?
She taught him at the range, not the home. He cleaned up afterwards at home.
Already There

Los Alamos, NM

#42 Jan 7, 2013
"Investigators said Sunday that Nancy Lanza visited shooting ranges several times and that her son also visited an area range."

http://news.yahoo.com/gunmans-mother-kept-tri...

"But while trips to shooting ranges gave Lanza an outlet, she returned home to the ever-present challenges of raising a son with intractable problems.

At Newtown High School, Adam Lanza was often having crises that only his mother could defuse.

"He would have an episode, and she'd have to return or come to the high school and deal with it,"

While I was in WV, I knew a lawyer, who married a Dr. with a son who was autisitic, not asperger's. They had a deadbolt on every interior door, even the bathroom, but not the inside, but the outside-so when he had an "episode", they could lock it until he was done. That is not asperger's, that is autism.

http://www.autismweb.com/forum/viewtopic.php...

Whole topic on restraint for parents of autism.

Seems to me, the press told peopel he was "high-functioning" so they purposely mislabelled it as asperger's, but that is not true. If you read the site backlash.com , the guy running it has asperger's, and he might misinterpret people's reactions, but he would be socially retarded, and was able to interact, hence the massive website and his daily quotes back in the day.

http://connecticut.cbslocal.com/2012/12/17/ne...

Went to college.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/potential_...

"The shooter was found with an ID that bore his brother’s name, a law-enforcement source said, but there is no indication that it was stolen. A source told The Post Ryan has told investigators he last saw Adam in 2010 and that Adam is autistic."

so mother trained son, was gonna put him into an institution despite recently getting loot from her ex Father-in-law's estate for taking care of him, did not work, did not seek help, regularly went to a local bar, anyone see the real problems here, not the goofy mischaracterizations at all?
Yep

Los Alamos, NM

#43 Jan 7, 2013
duzitreallymatter wrote:
<quoted text>ALL licensed dealers do background checks. Even at gun shows. The "gunshow loophole" is a unicorn. Private sellers are the ones that are not required to do background checks.
Not to call, or file, but they are supposed to make sure the buyer is not a felon, dishonorably discharged veteran, or non compos mentis with the courts. Everyoen has to make sure of that, they just are not required to do it the same way. But, if you sel lto a felon or whatever, you get to go to jail, regardless.
V Hickle

Albuquerque, NM

#44 Jan 7, 2013
Criminals RARELY buy guns at gun shows. There are always police, uniformed and plain-clothes, working security and they're afraid to be busted. Most criminals get their guns either by buying stolen ones off other criminals, or having a straw buyer buy one from them at a gun store, and yes, sometimes at a gun show.* Background checks don't work on straw buyers, Moron Garcia. In Miami, FL, cops have been MURDERED so a criminal can get their gun. A statistic that used to be valid a few years back was that LEO's were killed with their own duty weapon about 20% of the time. You can't "kiss and make the world better". What is CLEAR is that gun deaths HAVE STEADILY DECLINED in direct proportion to the skyrocketting number of weapons in private hands. But, New Mexicans are always seeking to get on the news: Whether by proposing idiotic "gun show loophole" fixin' legislation, or by publicly mourning a little girl from Utah, who only lived in Rio Rancho a few months, and who was horribly murdered in Newtown, Connecticut. Anything just so these ghouls can get their faces and names on TV.

*SOURCES: All US Department of Justice, Office of Justice Program Publications

"Illegal Firearms: Access and Use By Arrestees"
Publication No. NCJ 163496

"Firearm Injury and Death from Crime", Publication No. NCJ 182993

"Firearm Use by Offenders", Publication No.
NCJ 189369

"Firearm Injury from Crime", Publication No.
NCJ 160093

"Weapon Use and Violent Crime", Publication No.
NCJ 194820

"Weapons Offenses and Offenders", Publication No.
NCJ 155284

"Guns in America", Publication No. NCJ 165476

"Firearms and Crimes of Violence", Publication No. NCJ 146844

"Guns and Crime", Publication No. NCJ 147003

"Guns Used in Crime", Publication No. NCJ 148201

"Federal Firearm Offenders", Publication No. NCJ
180795

"Impacts of the Assault Weapons Ban", Publication No. 173405. This one is MY FAVORITE, because it proves what a bunch of lying buzzards the chicken-little politicians in Washington D.C. are when it comes to "Assault Weapons" (sic) statistics.

http://assaultweaponsbanof2013.blogspot.com

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#45 Jan 8, 2013
Already There wrote:
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It's required for anyoen if you are transferring possession-for example, if you give a gun to a son-in-law, and he kills someone with it, you are guilty of passing a gun to a felon if he is one, regardless of whether you knew at the time, or took his word for it. There have been numerous cases in other states I've lived in where that was true, it would be here, if local courts and cops did somethign other than pick one serious crime and convict o nthat only, largely due to the fact there are not enough judges and other monies to pay for it.
So if I was going to sell a handgun for instance to a neighbor, I'd be required to get a BG check on them? HTH would one do that, seriously? Not saying it can't be done or its a bad idea...

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