Ambulance provider may face lawsuit i...

Ambulance provider may face lawsuit in Placitas boy's death

There are 29 comments on the Las Cruces Sun-News story from Sep 19, 2009, titled Ambulance provider may face lawsuit in Placitas boy's death. In it, Las Cruces Sun-News reports that:

The family of a 4-year-old Placitas boy who was accidentally run over by a vehicle and killed has threatened to sue Do-a Ana County, contending the ambulance service was negligent in its response.

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Aggie Alumnus

Las Cruces, NM

#1 Sep 20, 2009
I am sorry for your lost but the ambulance service is not to blame. The ambulance service covers all of Dona Ana county. The reason fire departments are all over the county is so they can get to a location first and provide first aid until the ambulance service arrives. The only thing this lawsuit will do is take needed funds away from low budget service.
angieleaforme

Charles Town, WV

#2 Sep 20, 2009
Money is not going to bring Dominic back so instead work WITH the county and the ambulance service to better the response time and having the proper equipment on board.

BE A PART OF THE SOLUTION NOT THE ONGOING PROBLEM!!

Don't get me wrong, I am very sorry for your loss but again, no amount of money is going to bring your son back ....
excuse me

Las Cruces, NM

#3 Sep 20, 2009
WHO RAN OVER THE CHILD? DID THE AMBULANCE RUN OVER THE CHILD? NO, A RELATIVE OF HIS DID. CHILD IS GONE. LEARN AND LIVE. JUST ANOTHER SITUATION WHERE SOMEONE IS OUT TO MAKE A BUCK. PLEEEASSSEE!
Red Apple

Las Cruces, NM

#4 Sep 20, 2009
Agreed with the other commenters.
Dasha Flores said her family in threatening to file a lawsuit aims to keep other people from experiencing the same problem.
What is she planning to sue for? Cash? How will that help the ambulance service prevent this from happening again?

All of these services were provided to her and her son essentially for "free", and she complains. This is real life - deal with it.
Kevorkian

Las Cruces, NM

#5 Sep 20, 2009
Is it just me, or is there a rather high frequency of small children being run over by a family member's vehicle in the Borderland region? There was just another one last week down in Canutillo. Since abortion is so taboo and expensive, is this a new form of post-partum birth control? Does the Pope condone this practice?

"Oops, it was an accident."
CiE

Las Cruces, NM

#6 Sep 20, 2009
Here we have another classic case of "I killed my own child and I need to blame you so I can sue you, take your money and live happily ever after." HAD YOU BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO YOUR CHILD HE WOULD NOT HAVE GOTTEN RAN OVER IN THE FIRST PLACE. Also, I'm pretty positive that if you get the story from another source that was at the scene, it will be completely different.
So Sad

El Paso, TX

#7 Sep 20, 2009
This is a tragedy about losing a child; however, the responsibility is on the parents who neglected to supervise their child, allowing him to run out and be put in a situation that eventually became fatal. Suing will not bring their child back, money can never replace their child, so if they claim their goal is to teach them a lesson, then advocate for a change and not bring up a law suit on the company. Seems like they are displacing their anger about the situation at the wrong person.
Aggie

Las Vegas, NM

#8 Sep 20, 2009
Wow. Mean responses! I wondered how long it would take for someone to sue. Does anyone realize that Hatch had its own AMR crew and ambulance until April when they decided it was not financially feasible to continue serving that community? Now look what happened. It is negligent and stupid to think that a county as big as Dona Ana can be effectively served when the closest emergency medical vehicle is 45 miles away. Why do you think Hatch has a fire department? Because it would take too long for LCFD to respond.

I'm sorry for the loss of a child. I agree that the parent's lack of attention is to blame for the accident, but has it been proven through autopsy that there is no way the child could have survived had the ambulance shown up quickly? If there was a chance the child could have survived with rapid medical transport, then the parent is not at fault for his death but only for the accident. AMR and DAC are responsible for his death.
Hard times

San Francisco, CA

#9 Sep 20, 2009
First of all, I must say where I am coming from as a parent, a trauma nurse, and a community health nurse... THe hardest thing I can imagine happening is a moment where I look away and my baby has been hurt, stolen or God forbid killed. The self-guilt alone would be enough to drive me over the edge. The past couple of days has caused me to really think hard about how easily it is to lose a child becuase of that one moment that I looked off, or needed to fold that extra towel in the laundry basket, then I will run outside and check on the kids. We have all done it at some point... Some of us have fortunately not been exposed to the worst thing that can ever happen, in my mind.
Now, as a nurse who has to see the child dead in front of me and know that the cpr measures I am performing are more just for the small hope of a miracle that this really isn't happening, it is very hard at times to not be judgemental, even for a second as to why the child was there unattended in the first place. Then I have to revert back to "it's not your place to judge. I think the punishment is bad enough." For instance, a certain position I was in recently, when I found out what had happened for the child to be laying right in front of me, I wanted to hit someone. Then I saw a grieving mother, with the look on her face that said "what have a done?" I broke down myself, thinking "it only takes a second." Working in the differnt areas I work in, I know that at times, when the county is very busy, there isn't always an ambulence in some of the outlying areas because they are running their tails off. And, it also needs to be looked at that maybe there was an AMR crew there, but maybe they had been dispatched a bit before to something else, and the closest backup was all the way in Las Cruces. Just something to think about. There are always a couple sides to something. All I am saying is I know the family is trying to find some means to an end, but this may not be the best way. Trust me, when it goes over the radio that a child is in distress, the AMR crews, as well as all other emergency support personnel do everything humanly possible to get to that child. I know this for a fact. Please just reconsider this lawsuit, and try to work with the county emergency services to improve things. Trust me, they are not in their jobs for the money, they make less than if they were working at a Walmart, have longer hours, and see things that make it hard to close your eyes at night. Then, when they are blamed by circumstances that are beyond their control, ie. not enough man power to provide trucks in every portion of the county, you will never hear them come out and say this because they don't even see the point in arguing. They are in it to save lives, unfortunately the outcome isn't always what we work towards. And trust me, emergency personnel feel enough personnal guilt because they could perform the miracle of all miracles and bring a person back. These are times to turn to God, and not a lawyer.
What_IF

Las Cruces, NM

#10 Sep 20, 2009
Ok, so change the scenario. Let's say for the sake of argument a child that is watching tv in the view of his responsible parents goes into seizure. Is 45-minutes response still valid? Do they still not need a child a size mask?
Hard times

United States

#11 Sep 20, 2009
I want to add that I am VERY proud of the people I work beside. And, I would gladly trust them with my families lives.
David in Las Cruces

Ashburn, VA

#12 Sep 20, 2009
Aggie Alumnus wrote:
I am sorry for your lost but the ambulance service is not to blame. The ambulance service covers all of Dona Ana county. The reason fire departments are all over the county is so they can get to a location first and provide first aid until the ambulance service arrives. The only thing this lawsuit will do is take needed funds away from low budget service.
Low budget? I got an AMR taxi ride for 3.7 miles at the tune of $602.25. The only service I got was an IV drip. I had to walk to the ambulance, crawl in, and lie down on the guerney. Then I got badmouthed by the paramedic, you know who you are. Even though I was in complete renal shutdown, according to the ER doctor, they turned their lights and siren off and gave me a leisurely ride. Next time, if it happens again, I will take a taxi. AMR is a monopoly and it needs some competition.
Hard times

United States

#13 Sep 20, 2009
David in Las Cruces wrote:
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Low budget? I got an AMR taxi ride for 3.7 miles at the tune of $602.25. The only service I got was an IV drip. I had to walk to the ambulance, crawl in, and lie down on the guerney. Then I got badmouthed by the paramedic, you know who you are. Even though I was in complete renal shutdown, according to the ER doctor, they turned their lights and siren off and gave me a leisurely ride. Next time, if it happens again, I will take a taxi. AMR is a monopoly and it needs some competition.
I am sorry if you were treated bacdly. But, I will tell you that most of that bill did not go to the people on the trucks.
Wonderful

Farmington, NM

#14 Sep 20, 2009
I have a friend who is an EMT. He does not see even close to that amount of 602.25. He gets 50 bucks per call. And thats it. Not hourly. He has to wait for a call then heads out. So when he sits and is waiting for someone to need him. He is not making money. So you can take the idea of the men/women in the truck making big bucks. It doesn't work that way.
So on good days one truck goes out. On bad days 4. Some days none at all.

But, as a mother, ex bus driver, and care giver. It is total responsibility of the parents to care for there children. To know where they are what they are doing. And to be watching them.
You ALWAYS check around vehicles before they are moved for children- animals and objects.

Someone showed up to try to help this child. But this child would not of been in this situation had the parents been responsible for their young.
Now putting that aside.
Could the EMT been there sooner? Possibly. Would it of made a difference? Probably not since fire rescue was already there.

Making the tax payers pay. Not a smart move. And does not bring your son back. Now if the law suit entails improvements and requires other ways of action. You will actually accomplish something.
Other then that. Its greedy hands. And thinking someone else's money will make it all better. In the end. It does not.
David in Las Cruces

Ashburn, VA

#15 Sep 20, 2009
Hard times wrote:
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I am sorry if you were treated bacdly. But, I will tell you that most of that bill did not go to the people on the trucks.
I realize this. I've met a few of the paramedics and they were quite nice and good people. I'm talking about the corporation AMR. They get $552.25 and the people actually doing the life saving get $50? What a racket, AMR!
LC Today

AOL

#16 Sep 20, 2009
Once again another tragedy took place over the weekend with two siblings (a 3-yr old and a 5-yr old) drowning in a large water hole because of no supervision. Question has to be "when are these parents going to file a lawsuit" for whatever reasons?

What is wrong with today's parents? Do you not consider that small children like this require stringent and constant supervision? I guess not because they are dying on an ongoing basis in this area due to a lack of teaching and/or supervision by their parents.

Before you accuse me of having no children, I raised 3 boys to adulthood successfully because they were taught to be aware of and avoid dangers and always under a watchful eye.
one

El Paso, TX

#17 Sep 20, 2009
I am the mother of a four year old child. I live and work on a farm with vehicles coming and going all the time. I was also a emt for a time. and I know when the call came out for anyone adult or child our number one thing was to get to the call as quickly and safely as possiable. children are especialy hard and I know for the medics who were just standing there they would have taken over cpr if needed and belive me they felt helpless.But only two people can do cpr at a time. And the quickest means of getting this child to the clossest appropriate medical facility was that helecopter that had to get there too. Now back to being a mother I am supper strict that my daughter stay in the yard that is fenced. if she is outside the fence with me and a car is pulling up or leaving I have her in the arms of a adult where i can see them. And yes I am always there when she is outside. House work will always be there. My litte girl may not without my rules and me sticking to them as strictly as I do. I am the parent its my resposiablity to make sure I teach her the things that will keep her safe. she will not always like me for it and i am ok with that as long as she is here to be mad at me. seuing them is only going to make it so the next kid thats hurt gets a longer response time than he did and they can go thru what you did. if thats your goal then seu. Just be sure to call that next famaly and let them know you contributed to there childs death and if you by some chance win the suit against the county and get money I hope they come after you for contributing to the death of their child. After all you took the funding that could improve things.
las cruces

Santa Fe, NM

#18 Sep 20, 2009
i see this family is mad upset that ther kid waz killed but a law suit well i think its stuped cuse look where they live you cant expect help to be ther in 2 seconds hellow thats just not right i think ther just trying to find a way to make monny i hope somone sees this its stuped i done think ems did anything bad just rushed to get ther and they got mad cuse ther not ther in 2 seconds well its life look where thes people lived bye hatch well think about it its not in the city it out in no where well i hope they cant get monny its just wrong of them trying make monny off ems they did do ther job.
Red Apple

Las Cruces, NM

#19 Sep 20, 2009
This reminds me of the incident last summer when a young girl was left behind during a city-run recreation class and picked up by a kind couple on Picacho. According to the Sun News, the parents reaction was to SUE SUE SUE, and this incident didn't result in a tragic death or anything bad at all. Life isn't supposed to be perfect or easy and bad things do happen - accept it and take action so it doesn't happen again. Yet another lawsuit solves nothing and a monetary reward is no replacement for a lost child.

If the parents truly want a change to be made in emergency services for their community they need to redirect their mourning into something positive. A lawsuit isn't it.
Wandering Soul

Rio Rancho, NM

#21 Sep 21, 2009
Its truely sad when the we out live our children but who's place is it to point fingers? The sad truth is AMR crews arent paid for what they see or have to do. When a call comes out for a injured child crews actually work to see whos closest and "jump" calls if they feel that they can get to the call faster than who was origionally sent. They do the best they can with what they have. Also much like government jobs keep in mind the AMR was the service that took over for Southwest in a who do the most work for the lowest contract.
You can blame the AMR all you want for the death of your child but in the end we will all suffer because money that could be used to help fund staffing issues, equipment, EMS is just going to line pockets of people who could have taken the time to watch their child.

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