Juvenile detention system: A family's...

Juvenile detention system: A family's nightmare

There are 33 comments on the Wilkes Barre, PA Times Leader story from Oct 29, 2006, titled Juvenile detention system: A family's nightmare. In it, Wilkes Barre, PA Times Leader reports that:

PLYMOUTH - Richard and Gloria Habel pulled into the West Side Vo-Tech High School parking lot one morning in mid-February to a flashing array of emergency vehicles.

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HELLO THERE

Jermyn, PA

#22 Oct 3, 2007
Desperate Mom wrote:
I can only speak of the justice system here in Houston, Texas. I understand the hurt and angry that you all feel. My son was told on about playing house. You all know what I mean! He is now detained in Juvenille Detention with a charge of 1st degree aggrevated sexual assualt. He is only 13 and he is such a wonderful child. He never causes anyone any trouble. He is such loving child and has never been in trouble at home or with the law. He was simply an innocent child that had curiousity and so did the other child. Hey, who hasn't been curious and experiment at that age. But, because of a rebellious ex-wife my son if fighting for his life of freedom. How the system could think and charge him with such a herinous crime is crazy. We are begging for anyone to help us save my son and not allow these liars lose my son in the system. Please help is you have any suggestions! We are spending all the monies we can come up with for a lawyer. My baby is so scared and wanting to come home. Please help!!!
I feel sorry for you as a mom....BUT I know that a 13 year old boy knows right from wrong....I have raised 2 and worked in a high school. He could use help now and I will pray he gets it so he does NOT rape or molest others later. Please it may be hard but do NOT make excuses for your son....you WILL hurt him more, if you do so.
HELLO THERE

Jermyn, PA

#23 Oct 3, 2007
Sharkey wrote:
The whole family Court system has too much power and is quite often curropt.I've lost three children to Suffolk County.NY over a "neglect" case in which they alleged I neglected my kids because I had a fight with thier mother and after completing the Anger management they court ordered,they hired a psycologist for $5000.00 for 6 hours of interview and got a fageygy report in which my kids should remain in fostercare and I commute to Suffolk twice a week to see a specailist of thier choosing.I now live in PA.Family Court is America's way of being communist,it really needs a jury just like criminal court.I've been sentenced to never see three of my kids ever again by one piece of shit judge and county attorney ,a rich childless foster parent who is only interested in one of the children.Bottom line,we dont honor star and strip flags in this household anymore.
I feel very sorry for you....you are an angry man who needs help....do you have a drug problem? achol? or your just angry for you want the power? I do NOT know who you are BUT I do know a man just like you....DO YOURSELF a favor, if not for you for your kids...get help. Go to a mirror and look....DO YOU LIKE THAT PERSON LOOKING BACK???? You can blame everyone else about your childern being taken BUT it is YOUR fault....the state does NOT just take kids for NO reason. Do you even have a job....have you paid any support yet????? These kids need a father who will and can take care of them.... to love them and provide for them. CAN YOU do that? Please talk to me... lets see if I can help ..........I HAVE BEEN THERE.
disgustedatthela ke

Newark, DE

#24 Oct 6, 2007
Heres some advice for Sharkey...Stay away from self professed "experts" such as Hello There who can claim to "know a man just like you". This is obviously someone with an agenda who will indulge their deflated ego by sitting in judgement of another they dont even know. Hmmmmm.Sounds like she could be an employee of CYS.
HELLO THERE

Jermyn, PA

#25 Oct 6, 2007
disgustedatthelake wrote:
Heres some advice for Sharkey...Stay away from self professed "experts" such as Hello There who can claim to "know a man just like you". This is obviously someone with an agenda who will indulge their deflated ego by sitting in judgement of another they dont even know. Hmmmmm.Sounds like she could be an employee of CYS.
Sorry I am NOT an employee of CYS....BUT I just want you to know...it's so easy to blame everyone else then to face the truth....that maybe you should be a better parent...know where your kids are and what they are doing...who they are with. I have seen my own daughter be beat and mentally abused by a low life.... this guy has all signs of no job, controlling, and probaly a drug or alchol problem....just like the guy that abused my daughter....that had told my 4 year old granddaughter that he would hit me too, Out of the mouth of a babe. If your childern are getting into trouble....they have to much freedom...you should know where your kids are at and what they are doing. There is NO excuse...if you have an excuse it's only there to make YOU as a parent to feel better. If you are a man,father, or a spouse and your abusing your partner....rember what your childern see is what they will do or it will be o.k. for them to be abused....it was o.k. for mom.Open your eyes....all I want to do is help, IF I CAN........AND I only speak the truth.
Richard Habel

Riverside, PA

#26 Apr 13, 2008
HELLO THERE wrote:
<quoted text>I agree....if you took being a parent seriously and knew where you kids were and what they were doing....they WOULD NOT have gotten in trouble. Instead of your childern being punished because you decided not to care what they were doing before they got in trouble, then say after the fact NOT my child.....MAYBE you as the parent should be made acountable for what you let your child do.Maybe you as the parent should do the time with your child and be held responible for NOT knowing what your child was up to....not knowing where they were at or what they were doing.If you did....why would you allow them to break the law????? You are as guilty as your child...you are responible for your minor childern!!!!!
I could tell that you don't have any kids,or yeah,thats right maybe you have silver spooned kids. Maybe reality will hit you some day,watch out this is The Real World!!!!
Utahmom

United States

#27 Oct 17, 2008
I don't understand the juvenile justice system at all I am going through hell right now along with my 14 year old son he went to talk to some kids about them picking on his little brother he was then put in detention then the judge put him in O&A facility where they gave him abilify without a diagnosis he was in there for 45 days and from there he went to Artec ran by "Valley Mental Health" they switched meds to seroquel still no diagnosis and then they tried to misdiagnose him with psychosis disorder and mood disorder they also stated to him because of the diagnosis that they gave him he will not be able to join the military when he turns 18 that is my son's dream is to join the military, this was all said 3 days before court so from there the judge put him in cinnamon hills in st george that program is a great program but even at that, he shouldn't be there he should be home, but any way they took him off the meds and ruled out the psychosis disorder and the mood disorder they diagnosed him with adhd and disruptive disorder but they have him on sleeping meds cuz he is having problems sleeping don't know if it caused by the meds or not he had never had problems with sleeping at home but any way...he was in a mutual combat with another child while he was in artec and the cops wouldn't press charges because it was mutual, but after 2 months jjs is trying to charge him with that fight and also disordly conduct, why after 2 months would they try to get him on these new charges it seems they are trying to keep him in the system any way all this has split my family in 2 my younger son lives down in salt lake with his dad and I moved to st george with my daughters so I can be closer to my son that is going through all this...It is a living nightmare it has taken a big toll on my family. Every where I go seems to be a dead end I am wondering if I will ever be able to get my son home When will people start realizing what the system is doing to our children and does people even care WILL IT EVER STOP Oh and did I mention that the medications that they were giving my son is not approved by the fda for children..
Rotsne

Denmark

#28 Feb 12, 2009
I appears that the judge mentioned are involved in a scandal involving kickbacks right now.

Something is rotten in the justice system and I am afraid that we have only seen a fraction of it.
PA more corrupt than LA

Angie, LA

#29 Feb 12, 2009
I'm afraid you people are getting sidetracked. The issue here is that judges received bribes in exchange for giving harsh sentences so that these detention places could profit. If you agree that the juvies needed harsh sentences for their somewhat petty crimes, what would be appropriate for fraud to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars? And what are the names of these dentention centers, none of the news articles seems to give them the advertising they deserve?
Hello

Jermyn, PA

#30 Feb 26, 2009
The question IS where were YOU WHEN ALL THIS WAS GOING ON??? Why didn't YOU know where she was at, WHO she was with and WHAT she was up to??? I am sure she can be blamed for some of her problems...BUT YOU are to blame MORE for you are the adult and parent...who DID NOT KNOW and I belive did not care where your child was or what she was doing and with who. When we make the parents answer ALSO then we will have a better future for all. IF you all make excuses for your kids actions NOW...what excuses will you give when their going to prison? DO THE CRIME...DO THE TIME. WELCOME to the real world .
globell32956 wrote:
This is in answer to Ali G. I am guessing that you haven't had too much dealing with any of this. At one time, I felt the way you do, but after seeing first hand how politics is played in the juvenile court system and knowing how unfair decisions can be, I think you need to have your eyes opened a little. My kids were raised with manners and decently. It was an accident that put her on probation and constant harassment from the so-called victims that ended up with her in placement. When so-called victims lie and the charges get trumped up because no money crossed hands, that is what makes this so unfair. Each case is different, but when a child who previously had no record ends up in the system being put away after being raped (whether it is statutory or not) that is not justice. It is pure out and out evil, money grubbing, systems. I just pray to God, that if you have children, none of your gently bred kids (like mine were!!!!) will ever accidentally fall victim to this vicious circle or that judge again.The problem with today's society is that they are allowed to try to sue for stupid things on stupid things and when they don't get what they want, then they decide to try to get the person arrested. If no money get given, then they harass as a power play. Just try walking in our shoes one day for one hour when all this crap was going on and I would bet worse would hve happened to you. She should have NEVER BEEN put on probation in the first place, becuase it was an accident. Nothing she did, should have gotten her first raped, then locked up for 2 months awaiting sentencing, then after she hit VQ getting her medications played with tothe point where she was going off the wall mentally. Nor being restrained to the point of being physcially abused by being thrown to the ground and being sat on by a Major. This is where she really learned how to cut. 15 yrs. old and being put on Zoloft and then Prozac......are you telling me that is normal????? You my dear, need your eyes opened and I hope they don't get opened the way mine did!
Matr

Carbondale, PA

#31 Feb 27, 2009
These judges must be punished . Their families should not be alllowed to live among decent people. Tell their families to get out of Pa. NOW!!
Do not allow your children to play with their children Do not speak to them. Do not answer their calls or do any business with them. We must made ir clear that there are severe punishment for selling children.
We must made it clear that there are crimes that never should be done. Selling Children is one of these. Than these families profit from the sales . OUT !
HELLO

Jermyn, PA

#32 Mar 1, 2009
Matr wrote:
These judges must be punished . Their families should not be alllowed to live among decent people. Tell their families to get out of Pa. NOW!!
Do not allow your children to play with their children Do not speak to them. Do not answer their calls or do any business with them. We must made ir clear that there are severe punishment for selling children.
We must made it clear that there are crimes that never should be done. Selling Children is one of these. Than these families profit from the sales . OUT !
YOU ARE WRONG. The judges made these decisions....NOT their famlies...NOT the innocent childern.
James

Wilburton, PA

#33 Mar 3, 2009
HELLO wrote:
<quoted text> YOU ARE WRONG. The judges made these decisions....NOT their famlies...NOT the innocent childern.
These monsters sold children. Their families benefitted from the sale of human beings. Matr is right. OUT OUT!@
Cat S

Paterson, NJ

#34 Sep 24, 2009
TO ALI G,

So should I follow my 15 year old through School all day Even when he was 13 when all the trouble Started . You CANT be with your child at all times. What makes you think for a SECOND anyone would want there kid to get into trouble!! It breaks my heart every time I get a call from the school. I love my kid's I have not turned my head the other way, not to deal with a problem. Because THEY ARE MY PROBLEM!!

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