mary

United States

#489 Apr 10, 2013
Cary wrote:
<quoted text>
I never thought of that..........good point!!!
. The comments made here are brilliant! I am so dense that it never dawned on me that Miss (ugh!) Alyce mght be lesbian and hence under JA's spell!! Why else would she accept an obvious socio-psycho-BPD weirdo as telling her the gospel truth! Also the iron on shirt was obviously made by Ariass because no self respecting man would iron on anything!! Again. Thank you for your comments everyone and your insight!
Lois

United States

#490 Apr 10, 2013
Having had a little stint in the gay life, it is absolutely true that some lesbians have an overpowering passion to rescue, protect, nourish, support, and love other women. It is their orientation. Someone on HLN said Alyce has "tunnel vision" in only seeing what she wants to see because of her personal orientation. That's what I see. She WANTS to prove that women are abused by men, and men dont have a chance.
In my experience men are extremely hesitant in seeking therapy for abusing women. They think women ASK to be beat up and deserve to be hurt becsuse of something they said or did. In therapy, women want to stay to get some help. Their abusers mostly refuse to come, and many drop out after a few sessions. If court ordered, the men come with a stubborn attitude.
There are deep psycological reasons why men abuse. It takes years of therapy to make a change. Even the 25% who show recovery, can revert back to abusive to behavior. I learned this from the Man Alive program.
My husband of 35 years refuses to admit that he is an abuser and needs to make some changes. My role in therapy is to learn ways to protect myself and stand strongly against being abused. Ive learned so much and feel that I am finally free to be myself. After an eleven year separation with therapy, and because of his refusal to learn healthy relationship behaviors, I finally divorced him this past December. Our failed marriage was 46 years.
John

Fleetwood, PA

#491 Apr 10, 2013
Dr G wrote:
Hey John, Up to now you have been right on with the Arias trial. With the exception of the last line, it sounds like you are on a different forum and doubling up on the cognac you were talking about a couple days ago.... take it easy my good man....
I graduated Dr G , I like your handle . I was away til now . Two Dr visits , Caught the end of Wilmott and turned it off . What do I get ? A guy getting gunned down in Georgia ? Then I went shopping to Giant came home and mixed my graduation drink . Three shots of cognac in a small glass of coke .Thats graduating for me and my limit .

I guess I had two questionables a few back . The one about the I-78 drug interstate built mainly for Roger Penske's trucks and the one about Jane Velez Mitchel ? I've marched to a different drummer all my life and it doesn't make any difference now . It used to bother me when I was made fun of but I have some of my old friends that I can count on . Thanks for your concern in getting me back on track .My wife was flabbergasted to think Jodi has the possibility of walking . I have some gay friends and know some gay women , it isn't for me and they are all very nice .

Thanks Again Dr G and MLB , I know you are tuned in and it all gets personal. Like only if we could all meet somewhere besides cyber space .

"I Knew it , that Super Focus guy just came on HLN.

Stay thirsty my friends .
Runs in the Family

Spring, TX

#492 Apr 10, 2013
Did they finish with Vile-ette yet? If she is back tomorrow, I'm going shopping.
I can't take another day of her difficult nature. I want to say, just answer the question,*itch and I'm not one to curse.
John

Fleetwood, PA

#493 Apr 10, 2013
Dr G wrote:
Hey John, Up to now you have been right on with the Arias trial. With the exception of the last line, it sounds like you are on a different forum and doubling up on the cognac you were talking about a couple days ago.... take it easy my good man....
I made it this far ,so far . Now I have a little Maltese my daughter brought home 12 years ago . I never could have or be near a dog . This one no one is allergic to . "achoo". He absolutely cries when I go anywhere without him and is in heaven when he gets in my bed, sometimes . Do you know you can talk to dogs just like you talk to people and they understand what you are saying ?
John

Fleetwood, PA

#494 Apr 10, 2013
Lois wrote:
Having had a little stint in the gay life, it is absolutely true that some lesbians have an overpowering passion to rescue, protect, nourish, support, and love other women. It is their orientation. Someone on HLN said Alyce has "tunnel vision" in only seeing what she wants to see because of her personal orientation. That's what I see. She WANTS to prove that women are abused by men, and men dont have a chance.
In my experience men are extremely hesitant in seeking therapy for abusing women. They think women ASK to be beat up and deserve to be hurt becsuse of something they said or did. In therapy, women want to stay to get some help. Their abusers mostly refuse to come, and many drop out after a few sessions. If court ordered, the men come with a stubborn attitude.
There are deep psycological reasons why men abuse. It takes years of therapy to make a change. Even the 25% who show recovery, can revert back to abusive to behavior. I learned this from the Man Alive program.
My husband of 35 years refuses to admit that he is an abuser and needs to make some changes. My role in therapy is to learn ways to protect myself and stand strongly against being abused. Ive learned so much and feel that I am finally free to be myself. After an eleven year separation with therapy, and because of his refusal to learn healthy relationship behaviors, I finally divorced him this past December. Our failed marriage was 46 years.
He's the one that will lose out by drinking himself to death or just dying when he can't find anyone else or regrets so much the mistakes he made . Let him go , it's about time . There's always someone else for a healthier relationship.
olsenclan

Rapid City, SD

#495 Apr 10, 2013
I'd love to see an xray of that finger. Too bad the state probably can't demand for her to get one... would tell us A LOT!
Dr G

Prescott, AZ

#496 Apr 10, 2013
Lois wrote:
Having had a little stint in the gay life, it is absolutely true that some lesbians have an overpowering passion to rescue, protect, nourish, support, and love other women. It is their orientation. Someone on HLN said Alyce has "tunnel vision" in only seeing what she wants to see because of her personal orientation. That's what I see. She WANTS to prove that women are abused by men, and men dont have a chance.
In my experience men are extremely hesitant in seeking therapy for abusing women. They think women ASK to be beat up and deserve to be hurt becsuse of something they said or did. In therapy, women want to stay to get some help. Their abusers mostly refuse to come, and many drop out after a few sessions. If court ordered, the men come with a stubborn attitude.
There are deep psycological reasons why men abuse. It takes years of therapy to make a change. Even the 25% who show recovery, can revert back to abusive to behavior. I learned this from the Man Alive program.
My husband of 35 years refuses to admit that he is an abuser and needs to make some changes. My role in therapy is to learn ways to protect myself and stand strongly against being abused. Ive learned so much and feel that I am finally free to be myself. After an eleven year separation with therapy, and because of his refusal to learn healthy relationship behaviors, I finally divorced him this past December. Our failed marriage was 46 years.
Wow! It appears that you are still really confused about your orientation. Your commentary points to one-sided agreement with LaViolette with the myriad theories you post here. Could you have sabotaged your marriage going into it with this anti-male, man-bashing perspective. If you had made an effort to nurture the marriage relationship instead of playing the victim, your results would probably have been excellent. Your man would have fed into your positive efforts... unless you admit to simply choosing a bad egg or settling for anyone. 35+ years? Can't imagine it... you have my sympathies...
ALV is trying to make this trial about abused women. Arias was not an abused woman; she is an evil, manipulative, murdering, seductive con-artist. The women who have indeed experienced abuse are being tricked into a discussion not relevant to Arias. My sympathies go to both women and men who have been abused; it's an awful thing to live with. If people would go to marriage counselling before they get married, date for an extended period, and really get to know one another, the odds of tumultuous relationships would be minimized. Premarital counselling is not something that is promoted as it should be; handing out condoms and promoting entities like Planned Parenthood continues to destroy young girls. Could the days ever return when the young girls "earned" respect and young men stepped up to the plate and took responsibility? I think not, unfortunately!!!!!!
Dr G

Prescott, AZ

#497 Apr 10, 2013
mary wrote:
<quoted text>. The comments made here are brilliant! I am so dense that it never dawned on me that Miss (ugh!) Alyce mght be lesbian and hence under JA's spell!! Why else would she accept an obvious socio-psycho-BPD weirdo as telling her the gospel truth! Also the iron on shirt was obviously made by Ariass because no self respecting man would iron on anything!! Again. Thank you for your comments everyone and your insight!
Hey Mary, If you had a bit of time to go back through this forum, now approaching 500 entries over a few days, you would read some postings with good perspectives. The first 50 got the ball rolling, esp.#40 on day two (this is the synopsis of the murder). Don't say you're dense; if you were on a jury, you get 1 vote just like everyone else. But you can catch up with this trial if you want to do some reading....Be well...
John

Fleetwood, PA

#498 Apr 10, 2013
A slight bit harsh on Lois Dr G . Everyone has a story that could use the magic touch even if it took 35 years ? I'm sure she's relating to her experience with the trial and her input could have been related to the fact that Travis didn't end it forceful enough and never expected this 3h wonder ever had the slaughter on her mind she carried out.

How long is Willmot going to ge on with Alyce . It's like the first day all over again . I can't believe the jurors are buying any of it .

John

Fleetwood, PA

#499 Apr 10, 2013
Dr G wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey Mary, If you had a bit of time to go back through this forum, now approaching 500 entries over a few days, you would read some postings with good perspectives. The first 50 got the ball rolling, esp.#40 on day two (this is the synopsis of the murder). Don't say you're dense; if you were on a jury, you get 1 vote just like everyone else. But you can catch up with this trial if you want to do some reading....Be well...
She probably doesn't know that Anderson Cooper came out and his Mother is a Vanderbilt that absolutely adhores kathy Griffen .her show was near here and I sort have wanted to see her but didn't .

Dear Mary ,

Go to page uno and read them all . Then come back with a perspective and don't act like you never heard of such things . We know different .
John

Fleetwood, PA

#500 Apr 10, 2013
olsenclan wrote:
I'd love to see an xray of that finger. Too bad the state probably can't demand for her to get one... would tell us A LOT!
It's a snap finger she can turn off and on at will. Did you notice how long her fingers are . If she ran out of knives she probably could have stabbed him with her finger .
Lois

United States

#501 Apr 10, 2013
Quite an assumption, Dr. G. You make a huge jump with such limited information. This only puts your credibility into question.
I never looked at myself as being a victim of abuse until the final years of our marriage. Even after an 11 year separation, I was sure we were getting back together. I loved being married. I called the sheriff for help, and he was the first one who suggested to go to the county Domestic Abuse Center. I was questioned and the judge gave me an immediate order of protection. I couldnt believe what I was holding in my hand. I was in a petrified state of fear.
Thats when my education on domestic abuse began. It took me years to accept the fact that my marriage was weak and full of an imbalance. I was timid and weak. But I got good help. Im a new person today with many friends, male and female. In fact I was told by counselors that I have a weakness for males. I melt.
How dare you call me anti-male. I just have to be careful not to he overrun again. It wont happen again.
As I said before, if you are genuinely interested in my story, I have a published book: " Surviving Domestic Abuse with the Help of God." My pseudoname is Ellis. If my husband learns about this book, who knows what he would do.
Abusers fight strongly back when they are confronted.
I am sure I know more about this subject than you. Please be careful with your judgments! It shows your own wrakness.
Dr G

Prescott, AZ

#502 Apr 10, 2013
John wrote:
A slight bit harsh on Lois Dr G . Everyone has a story that could use the magic touch even if it took 35 years ? I'm sure she's relating to her experience with the trial and her input could have been related to the fact that Travis didn't end it forceful enough and never expected this 3h wonder ever had the slaughter on her mind she carried out.
How long is Willmot going to ge on with Alyce . It's like the first day all over again . I can't believe the jurors are buying any of it .
Yes, perhaps can be interpreted to be a little harsh. I feel sorry for her as I said in that post, that she put up with that for so long. However, I disagree with the premise of her post when it is presented as one-sided and in agreement with AVL's propositions that men are always the problem. This premise just is not true. If Lois was on this jury, the outcome may not be based on the facts of the case because of the emotional drain presented by the lies of the defense. Arias was the stalking abuser, not Travis. She operated like a seductive succubus to keep him on the tether. Martinez will have to plead that this jury will not be duped into an emotional decision, lest Arias walks and perhaps does this again. Apologies to Lois if you are offended. We can agree to disagree, I hope....
Dr G

Prescott, AZ

#503 Apr 10, 2013
Lois:
I have not been in a debate during this forum yet and do not really want to get involved in one. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But, I respectfully disagree with some of what you post. I am taking you at your written word the things you consider facts, eg.: You wrote these exact words cut and paste:

"They think women ASK to be beat up and deserve to be hurt becsuse of something they said or did."

There is more, but this will suffice for our example. This is an incredibly inflammatory statement that could only apply in extremely rare cases for men that should be locked up. FYI, I am very well versed in DV, esp. from the legal aspects. And I hope you have some things about women abusers in your publication as well.

I repeat: I sympathize with your situation, and I wish you well....
Lois

United States

#504 Apr 10, 2013
Thanks for your apology, Dr. G. Since I have first hand experience in this subject, I would think you would value my opinions.
The hour is late, but I need to straighten some things out. I am totally in the Travis camp. Jodi shows NO evidence of being abused. In fact it is quite the opposite. She is the stalker, the jealous one, the controlling one, the one obsessed with Travis.
My personal feeling is that Travis didnt solidly turn her out because sex was so easy. She hooked him with sex.
She controlled him with sex. That might have been his personal weakness, and it was his eventual downfall.
Alyce? She does know the profile of an abusive relationship for both the abuser and the victim.
Just hearing her today and watching her drawn face, I really think she knows she had made many errors in judgement. Jaun totally poked holes in her theories. She cant recant her opinions because she loses personal integrity.
I believe she has already shot herself in the foot.
Hope the jury sees it.
Lois

United States

#505 Apr 10, 2013
Straightening out again. I have heard many stories of women being hurt because a man takes his anger out on her. One true story. A man poured gasoline on his wife and lit a match because she said something he didnt like. Some others came to her rescue, and he tried to push them away.
I saw this womans burned body as she lived to tell the story. What triggered that attack? Anger!
Same with Jodi. What triggered that attack? Anger over something Travis said or did.
In her heart she thinks he "deserved it". Thus she has no remorse, no apology. She just defends her actions with packs of lies.
Thinking of herself only. He deserved it. Even death.
My ex told me I deserved it once.
Not any more!!!!
Dr G

Prescott, AZ

#506 Apr 10, 2013
Lois, I don't know how I could have misinterpreted your post, but I do appreciate your position now. It seems that you have an understanding of Arias' controlling personality. The sex thing, yeah, a woman has been given this gift to attract a man and start a family. I mentioned "succubus." FYI, Google that if you are not familiar with this demonic concept. It is mythical, in theory, but evil women like Arias turn sex into a skill. I don't discount that some men are easily seduced and will play and run leaving scars that only women feel. I posted earlier that our young women need to "earn" respect and our young men need to step up and take "responsibility" for relationships. Premarital counsel, long-term exclusive dating, help to decide if this is really the man or women I want to share my life with.
Dr G

Prescott, AZ

#507 Apr 10, 2013
Lois wrote:
Straightening out again. I have heard many stories of women being hurt because a man takes his anger out on her. One true story. A man poured gasoline on his wife and lit a match because she said something he didnt like. Some others came to her rescue, and he tried to push them away.
I saw this womans burned body as she lived to tell the story. What triggered that attack? Anger!
Same with Jodi. What triggered that attack? Anger over something Travis said or did.
In her heart she thinks he "deserved it". Thus she has no remorse, no apology. She just defends her actions with packs of lies.
Thinking of herself only. He deserved it. Even death.
My ex told me I deserved it once.
Not any more!!!!
Good for you!!! The stories that I just can't handle are the ones who kill their children in envious acts of rage.
Runs in the Family

Spring, TX

#508 Apr 11, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a snap finger she can turn off and on at will. Did you notice how long her fingers are . If she ran out of knives she probably could have stabbed him with her finger .
Her fingers/hands are creepy. They look like something out of a Tim Burton movie.

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