Obama goes to Russia

There are 38 comments on the Berkshire Eagle story from Jul 6, 2009, titled Obama goes to Russia. In it, Berkshire Eagle reports that:

In his first summit meeting with Vladimir Putin, then the president of Russia, President George W. Bush famously said he was "able to get a sense of his soul," beginning a Washington-Moscow relationship marked by both naivet and animosity.

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Prove me wrong

Latham, NY

#24 Jul 7, 2009
Give it a rest Brian.
DastardlyMan

West Babylon, NY

#25 Jul 7, 2009
Brian in MA - not MN wrote:
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Germans love to argue from a perspective of racial superiority. Look how far it got them in 1945. I bet this guy has a shaved head.
Germans are highly intelligent and accomplished people. Their economies are one of the best in the world and Germany is considered one of the best countries in the world to live. So much for your ignorance.
good morining

Northville, NY

#26 Jul 7, 2009
The Obama administration has effectively ended the efforts of families of victims of the September 11th attacks to bring lawsuits against members of the Saudi Royal family for financial links to the conspiracy.

The Supreme Court today ruled that it will not allow any lawsuits to go ahead, just a few weeks after the government filed a court brief asking that the case be quashed.

The court, in an order Monday, is leaving in place the ruling of a federal appeals court that the country and the princes are protected by sovereign immunity, which generally means that foreign countries can’t be sued in American courts, reports the Associated Press.

In late May, the Justice Department had sided in court with the Saudi monarchy in seeking to halt further legal action to hold it liable for the attacks.

The move came less than a week before Obama was scheduled to meet Saudi King Abdullah as part of his “rebuilding” trip to the Middle East.

More than 6000 family members denounced the move as an “apparent effort to appease a sometime ally” in a public statement.

The lawsuits claimed that Saudi Arabia and four of its princes actively aided in financing the plot through front groups posing as charities.

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good morining

Northville, NY

#27 Jul 7, 2009
A d v e r t i s e m e n t

Last week, the New York Times ran a report highlighting how documents uncovered by lawyers for the 9/11 families “provide new evidence of extensive financial support for Al Qaeda and other extremist groups by members of the Saudi royal family.”

The documents consist of “several hundred thousand pages of investigative material” assembled by the 9/11 families, according to the report.

The families also point to a 28-page, classified section of the 2003 joint congressional inquiry into 9/11 that deals with the Saudi role in the attacks.

Senator Bob Graham, who sat on the 9/11 Commission, has also charged that Saudi involvement in the attacks has been covered up.

As we have previously reported, US authorities, including the FBI, allowed the entire Bin Laden family to fly out of the US, and back to Saudi Arabia, in the days after 9/11, without questioning any of them.

Furthermore, agency documents later revealed that the FBI were aware that Osama Bin Laden himself may have personally chartered one of the flights. They subsequently redacted his name from the records in order “to protect privacy interests.”

The documents provide clear proof that the FBI was protecting the Bin Laden while the rest of the world was being told that he had masterminded the biggest terror attack in history. The FBI then attempted to cover up this fact.

The same documents revealed that the Bureau did not consider a single Saudi national nor any of the Bin Laden family worthy of investigative value.

The protection of Bin Laden by federal authorities has been ongoing since BEFORE 9/11 when agents were told to “back off the Bin Laden family” in order to protect business interests that the Bush family had with the Bin Ladens and other Saudi nationals.

The FBI asserts that no one on the planes that left had any terrorist links, yet documents (specifically FBI document 199I WF213589) uncovered back in November 2001 prove this to be a falsehood.

The Obama administration is now continuing the exact same long running policy as the Bush administration by obediently backing the Saudi monarchy and keeping secret this vital information on 9/11.

How disgustingly ironic it is that “sovereign immunity” is cited in a case relating to 9/11, when the same notion of sovereign immunity is violated on a daily basis as CIA drone delivered missiles rain down on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

As pointed out by writer Barry Grey, in his excellent piece on the effort to shut down the lawsuits, any exposure given to the Saudi connection would open the flood gates for more suppressed evidence:

“The revelations would undoubtedly shatter the official explanations of the September 11 attacks and point to complicity on the part of US intelligence and security agencies.” Grey writes.

“Given its longstanding and intimate ties to the Saudi royal family and Saudi intelligence, it is not possible to believe that the CIA would have been unaware of Saudi support for Al Qaeda and at least some of the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals, as they were preparing to carry out the attacks on New York and Washington.”

Again, the mountain of suppressed information regarding the most important event of the century, as well as the continued efforts on the part of the new administration to keep it that way, highlights the need for a new independent investigation into 9/11
Peppy

Lynchburg, VA

#28 Jul 7, 2009
ObamaRocks wrote:
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I wonder why over 65% of americans and over 80% of people in europe/asia/africa like Obama. May be because he is not an idiot.
Obama is THE ONE! and no matter how much bad mouthing these losers do, it's not going to work.


Oh yeah baby, everyone I talk to is just thrilled with all this hope and change. It just can't get any better than this. Life hasn't been this good since Jimmy Carter was in office. Europe also liked him a lot.
Brian in MA - not MN

Minneapolis, MN

#29 Jul 7, 2009
DastardlyMan wrote:
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Germans are highly intelligent and accomplished people. Their economies are one of the best in the world and Germany is considered one of the best countries in the world to live. So much for your ignorance.
Give me a break, DM. I was just pointing out our German friend's racist observations. I applaud his nation's economic achievements and Germany is one of the best countries to live in, as you say, because of its universal healthcare.

On the other hand, skinheads who say that nonwhites don't vote for whites need to be called out on their comments. You would be the ignorant one to agree with him. You get no apology from me.
Peppy

Lynchburg, VA

#30 Jul 7, 2009
Brian in MA - not MN wrote:
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Give me a break, DM. I was just pointing out our German friend's racist observations. I applaud his nation's economic achievements and Germany is one of the best countries to live in, as you say, because of its universal healthcare.
On the other hand, skinheads who say that nonwhites don't vote for whites need to be called out on their comments. You would be the ignorant one to agree with him. You get no apology from me.
Actually Germany is not such a bargain. While the country is beautiful and they are known for their technological advancements, the country has many problems. I am a supplier to several German owned companies. They suffer major productivity problems in their country and it hurts their competitiveness in global markets. Yes, workers get more money for fewer hours, with better benefits and a lot more vacation time, but that comes with a cost to business. Germany's economy is in a worse tailspin than the US right now and some experts are predicting a complete crash.
Peppy

Lynchburg, VA

#31 Jul 7, 2009
DastardlyMan wrote:
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Germans are highly intelligent and accomplished people. Their economies are one of the best in the world and Germany is considered one of the best countries in the world to live. So much for your ignorance.
Not true on their economy. Do some research.
DastardlyMan

Berlin, Germany

#32 Jul 7, 2009
Brian in MA - not MN wrote:
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Give me a break, DM. I was just pointing out our German friend's racist observations. I applaud his nation's economic achievements and Germany is one of the best countries to live in, as you say, because of its universal healthcare.
On the other hand, skinheads who say that nonwhites don't vote for whites need to be called out on their comments. You would be the ignorant one to agree with him. You get no apology from me.
No, people like you who make hateful false statements need to be called out. Racism works both ways.
DastardlyMan

Berlin, Germany

#33 Jul 7, 2009
Peppy wrote:
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Not true on their economy. Do some research.
Absolutely true. Do some reading, 5th largest in the world. I am laughing because I am not German at all nor am I even in Germany. I use an anonymous proxy which takes me wherever it takes me. I live in Boston, Ma and I'm of Spanish descent. I admire the country of Germany and the long way they have come since WWII and I admire the skills of the people. I visited there twice on business last year and I thought the people were quite nice, clean, responsible and well organized. I found it to be a highly desirable place. That's my opinion.
DastardlyMan

Germany

#34 Jul 7, 2009
Peppy wrote:
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Actually Germany is not such a bargain. While the country is beautiful and they are known for their technological advancements, the country has many problems. I am a supplier to several German owned companies. They suffer major productivity problems in their country and it hurts their competitiveness in global markets. Yes, workers get more money for fewer hours, with better benefits and a lot more vacation time, but that comes with a cost to business. Germany's economy is in a worse tailspin than the US right now and some experts are predicting a complete crash.
Where do you get your information from? LOL. Germany has the largest economy in Europe. And they currently have the lowest unemployment they have ever had. They have suffered no more than any other country during this economic downturn but it is improving somewhat now. And I made an error, it's is the third largest in the world not the 5th largest. Read below before posting inaccuracies like that.

http://www.bmwi.de/English/Navigation/Press/p...
DastardlyMan

Germany

#35 Jul 7, 2009
Peppy wrote:
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Oh yeah baby, everyone I talk to is just thrilled with all this hope and change. It just can't get any better than this. Life hasn't been this good since Jimmy Carter was in office. Europe also liked him a lot.
Hope is all we are getting out of this current administration. The change is the pennies we will have left after he's through spending all of our money.
Brian in MA - not MN

Minneapolis, MN

#36 Jul 7, 2009
DastardlyMan wrote:
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No, people like you who make hateful false statements need to be called out. Racism works both ways.
I said nothing about race. The dude sounded like a nazi skinhead. I was wrong about that, but I'm still right about how wrong his observation is. Plenty of whites voted for Obama too, so it wasn't just an election decided along skin color lines.

Glad we don't agree.

Since: Nov 08

Cologne- Germany

#37 Jul 7, 2009
Obama's speech In Russia today is invigorating and highly laudable.
No other USA's President Had exposed the faulty steps of USA and ex-Soviet Union so succinctly and nicely as Obama.

I admire this
DastardlyMan

Lidingö, Sweden

#38 Jul 7, 2009
Brian in MA - not MN wrote:
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I said nothing about race. The dude sounded like a nazi skinhead. I was wrong about that, but I'm still right about how wrong his observation is. Plenty of whites voted for Obama too, so it wasn't just an election decided along skin color lines.
Glad we don't agree.
The difference is that 98 percent of black people will vote along racial lines. That is racism. As for those who voted for Obama, I think many just wanted to give a black man a chance or got caught up playing into the race card and probably some did actually feel he would be the best candidate. Anyway, most Whites will vote more based on what sounds best and what looks best instead of by race. At least that's what I see.
Terrorism

Becket, MA

#39 Sep 4, 2013
Jeffrey Reel wrote:
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Taking a trip down memory lane, we supported/armed the Taliban (including the "freedom fighters" (Osama bin Laden among them)) when they were occupied by, and fighting against, Russia (during the Cold War). Americans have selective memory.
A blast from the past.
Terrorism

Becket, MA

#40 Sep 4, 2013
good morining wrote:
A d v e r t i s e m e n t
Last week, the New York Times ran a report highlighting how documents uncovered by lawyers for the 9/11 families “provide new evidence of extensive financial support for Al Qaeda and other extremist groups by members of the Saudi royal family.”
The documents consist of “several hundred thousand pages of investigative material” assembled by the 9/11 families, according to the report.
The families also point to a 28-page, classified section of the 2003 joint congressional inquiry into 9/11 that deals with the Saudi role in the attacks.
Senator Bob Graham, who sat on the 9/11 Commission, has also charged that Saudi involvement in the attacks has been covered up.
As we have previously reported, US authorities, including the FBI, allowed the entire Bin Laden family to fly out of the US, and back to Saudi Arabia, in the days after 9/11, without questioning any of them.
Furthermore, agency documents later revealed that the FBI were aware that Osama Bin Laden himself may have personally chartered one of the flights. They subsequently redacted his name from the records in order “to protect privacy interests.”
The documents provide clear proof that the FBI was protecting the Bin Laden while the rest of the world was being told that he had masterminded the biggest terror attack in history. The FBI then attempted to cover up this fact.
The same documents revealed that the Bureau did not consider a single Saudi national nor any of the Bin Laden family worthy of investigative value.
The protection of Bin Laden by federal authorities has been ongoing since BEFORE 9/11 when agents were told to “back off the Bin Laden family” in order to protect business interests that the Bush family had with the Bin Ladens and other Saudi nationals.
The FBI asserts that no one on the planes that left had any terrorist links, yet documents (specifically FBI document 199I WF213589) uncovered back in November 2001 prove this to be a falsehood.
The Obama administration is now continuing the exact same long running policy as the Bush administration by obediently backing the Saudi monarchy and keeping secret this vital information on 9/11.
How disgustingly ironic it is that “sovereign immunity” is cited in a case relating to 9/11, when the same notion of sovereign immunity is violated on a daily basis as CIA drone delivered missiles rain down on Afghanistan and Pakistan.
As pointed out by writer Barry Grey, in his excellent piece on the effort to shut down the lawsuits, any exposure given to the Saudi connection would open the flood gates for more suppressed evidence:
“The revelations would undoubtedly shatter the official explanations of the September 11 attacks and point to complicity on the part of US intelligence and security agencies.” Grey writes.
“Given its longstanding and intimate ties to the Saudi royal family and Saudi intelligence, it is not possible to believe that the CIA would have been unaware of Saudi support for Al Qaeda and at least some of the 19 hijackers, 15 of whom were Saudi nationals, as they were preparing to carry out the attacks on New York and Washington.”
Again, the mountain of suppressed information regarding the most important event of the century, as well as the continued efforts on the part of the new administration to keep it that way, highlights the need for a new independent investigation into 9/11
The NY Times reported this and the fact that The Saudi's were involved in 9/11? So was the Times suggesting a 'conspiracy' in 2009? I wonder what Ratman praxis33 thinks about this post since he calls anyone that dares question the official investigations findings of 9/11? But then again, wtf should I care about an intellectual depraved mundane mole that cornfed here has for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. To think some might get paid to be an idiot is frightening, but that's what America has become.
Terrorism

Becket, MA

#41 Sep 4, 2013
Ex Senators give sworn statements saying Saudi Arabian govt may be linked to 9/11.

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/senators-saudi-...

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