South has Obama all figured out

Well, Obama disciples, your savior just lost two governorships, one in solid blue liberal New Jersey, and the other in the crimson-colored state of Virginia.

[PDupont]

This is typical Gilradi. The Republican wins in New Jersey and Virginia had nothing to do with Obama. John Corzine was an unpopular governor who couldn’t attract enough Obama supporters to win. . When economic times are rough voter tend to blame the incumbent. The Virginia race is also a case of an unpopular governor and also has nothing to do with the President. Mark Warner, a Democrat was elected in November 2001 when George W was enjoying his highest ratings. There just wasn’t anything to get the Obama base interested in these races. Exit polls showed that only about 15% cast their vote to send a message to the president.

[Max]

PDupont wrote:

This is typical Gilradi. The Republican wins in New Jersey and Virginia had nothing to do with Obama. John Corzine was an unpopular governor who couldn’t attract enough Obama supporters to win.. When economic times are rough voter tend to blame the incumbent. The Virginia race is also a case of an unpopular governor and also has nothing to do with the President. Mark Warner, a Democrat was elected in November 2001 when George W was enjoying his highest ratings. There just wasn’t anything to get the Obama base interested in these races. Exit polls showed that only about 15% cast their vote to send a message to the president.

First of all, there was no incumbent on the ballot it Virginia. Second, the national polls paint much the same picture. Independents are leaving the Democrat party in droves.

[Sanity]

Max wrote:

<quoted text>First of all, there was no incumbent on the ballot it Virginia. Second, the national polls paint much the same picture. Independents are leaving the Democrat party in droves.

'Liberals' don't have a functioning relationship with reality, Max.

On election night 2004, media outlets kept going to Kerry campaign spokesman Joe Lockhart. Though the results got steadily worse throughout the night, every half hour he was there to say that the numbers would be turning around soon, and John Kerry would be the next President of the United States.

These are the same people who will tell you that Islam had nothing to do with the Ft Hood massacre.

Pray for them, and have a good day.

[Jim]

Sanity wrote:

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'Liberals' don't have a functioning relationship with reality, Max.
On election night 2004, media outlets kept going to Kerry campaign spokesman Joe Lockhart. Though the results got steadily worse throughout the night, every half hour he was there to say that the numbers would be turning around soon, and John Kerry would be the next President of the United States.
These are the same people who will tell you that Islam had nothing to do with the Ft Hood massacre.
Pray for them, and have a good day.

I noticed that no one so far has mentioned the upstate New York win for the democrats which will play a much bigger role on the political scene. Also, it clearly showed the poison that Palin and Limbaugh are spreading, a poison which people like Mr.Sanity here are embracing as the key to win back some republican support.
It ain't going to happen. The demographics have changed, the ultra conservative white male vote is now in the minority. It will never come back.

[studio5b]

He is a savior. Thank You, Mr. Gilardi!
That explains the missing certificate of live birth.
Immaculate conceptions are rarely documented in America!

[SAL]

"Obama all figured out what? NOTHING??????????
All I want is to have a one term oBamba president.
OR throw him out and never have to see his face again.

[Jeffrey Reel]

The governorships reflected dissatisfaction with the economy, and the exit polls made it clear people did not consider it the Obama economy (or the Bush economy). The exit polls showed that Obama played no role in how folks voted in t5hose two races. People were voting for governors, and were focused on state issues, not national issues. Meanwhile, in upstate New York, a Democratic Representative was elected in a district that had not seen one since before the Civil War. This Representative will play a more pivotal role in national politics (national economic issues, health care, energy). The people have spoken.

You can have your "Conservative" governors (and I use the term loosely, as do Republicans). I'll take Liberal Representatives. Sounds like a good deal to me.

[wilbur]

Jeffrey Reel wrote:

The governorships reflected dissatisfaction with the economy, and the exit polls made it clear people did not consider it the Obama economy (or the Bush economy). The exit polls showed that Obama played no role in how folks voted in t5hose two races. People were voting for governors, and were focused on state issues, not national issues. Meanwhile, in upstate New York, a Democratic Representative was elected in a district that had not seen one since before the Civil War. This Representative will play a more pivotal role in national politics (national economic issues, health care, energy). The people have spoken.
You can have your "Conservative" governors (and I use the term loosely, as do Republicans). I'll take Liberal Representatives. Sounds like a good deal to me.

maybe yer liberal reps will give nidal malik hasan the medal of honor!

when will hilldog come out of the closet and reveal muffy?

[Jeffrey Reel]

wilbur wrote:

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maybe yer liberal reps will give nidal malik hasan the medal of honor!
when will hilldog come out of the closet and reveal muffy?

nidal malik hasan was monitored for his correspondence with an extremist imam overseas during the bush administration, and cleared. you gotta love wilbur & company.

[Brian in MA - not MN]

Hey Gilardi - how about that little Dem victory in the NY 23rd Congressional District? You know, the one that has been in Republican hands since Ulysses S. Grant was President? It's nice to see how well the GOP can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

By this time next year, unemployment will be down, the economy will be humming, and we'll have healthcare reform and a diminished military presence in Afghanistan. And Gilardi will still be complaining bitterly about Obama.

[Yoga Man]

Jeffrey Reel wrote:

The governorships reflected dissatisfaction with the economy, and the exit polls made it clear people did not consider it the Obama economy (or the Bush economy). The exit polls showed that Obama played no role in how folks voted in t5hose two races. People were voting for governors, and were focused on state issues, not national issues. Meanwhile, in upstate New York, a Democratic Representative was elected in a district that had not seen one since before the Civil War. This Representative will play a more pivotal role in national politics (national economic issues, health care, energy). The people have spoken.
You can have your "Conservative" governors (and I use the term loosely, as do Republicans). I'll take Liberal Representatives. Sounds like a good deal to me.

Republicans win = no significance
Democrat wins, oh yes it is significant.

Predictable and quite laughable.

Herbal tea and meditation.

[Jeffrey Reel]

Yoga Man wrote:

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Republicans win = no significance
Democrat wins, oh yes it is significant.
Predictable and quite laughable.
Herbal tea and meditation.

Do you really believe the republican governor wins are of no significance? I disagree with you. They simply don't don't amount to a statement regarding the President's performance, as the voters themselves declared. You're off topic.

[brush hill bob]

Max wrote:

<quoted text>First of all, there was no incumbent on the ballot it Virginia. Second, the national polls paint much the same picture. Independents are leaving the Democrat party in droves.

independents might think about leaving the democratic party, but when they take a look at what the republicons offer, they'll be back. even if it is the choice of the lesser of two evils. keep shrinking that base, rush and beck! lol

[Harry Poupass]

Sanity wrote:

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These are the same people who will tell you that Islam had nothing to do with the Ft Hood massacre.
Pray for them, and have a good day.

I realize that you have more information and experience than the FBI...but shouldn't we give thier assesment a t least a little credit?

[Karl Rove]

Jeffrey Reel wrote:

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Do you really believe the republican governor wins are of no significance? I disagree with you. They simply don't don't amount to a statement regarding the President's performance, as the voters themselves declared. You're off topic.

Whether or not there are coattails, and whether allegiances are transferable, is a debate that will go on forever. Any way you slice it or dice it, the Democrat brand didn't do as well a week ago as they did a year ago. Even in the New York race, the Democrat ran three points behind what Obama did a year earlier against a fractured GOP. I forget the exact numbers, but there was a drop-off in the Democrat percentage in that California race too. Can we say any more than the bloom is off the Obama rose? No. But we can say the bloom is off the Obama rose.

[Emerald]

brush hill bob wrote:

<quoted text> independents might think about leaving the democratic party, but when they take a look at what the republicons offer, they'll be back. even if it is the choice of the lesser of two evils. keep shrinking that base, rush and beck! lol

Whatever makes you think Independents just go from one party to the other. Independents are Independents for a reason. We don't like either party!

[Who Will Pay]

PDupont wrote:

This is typical Gilradi. The Republican wins in New Jersey and Virginia had nothing to do with Obama. John Corzine was an unpopular governor who couldn’t attract enough Obama supporters to win.. When economic times are rough voter tend to blame the incumbent. The Virginia race is also a case of an unpopular governor and also has nothing to do with the President. Mark Warner, a Democrat was elected in November 2001 when George W was enjoying his highest ratings. There just wasn’t anything to get the Obama base interested in these races. Exit polls showed that only about 15% cast their vote to send a message to the president.

http://crosscut.com/2009/11/05/2009-election/...

http://www.acuf.org/issues/issue141/091012pol...

[Harry Poupass]

Jeffrey Reel wrote:

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nidal malik hasan was monitored for his correspondence with an extremist imam overseas during the bush administration, and cleared. you gotta love wilbur & company.

Now why'd ya have to go and say that for?! Your going to ruin the wingnut story with information like that!Goon Beck won't be able to muster any tears if he can't blame the liberal/nazi/muslim/kenyan..et c etc...

[Jeffrey Reel]

Karl Rove wrote:

<quoted text>Whether or not there are coattails, and whether allegiances are transferable, is a debate that will go on forever. Any way you slice it or dice it, the Democrat brand didn't do as well a week ago as they did a year ago. Even in the New York race, the Democrat ran three points behind what Obama did a year earlier against a fractured GOP. I forget the exact numbers, but there was a drop-off in the Democrat percentage in that California race too. Can we say any more than the bloom is off the Obama rose? No. But we can say the bloom is off the Obama rose.

"Any way you slice it or dice it, the Democrat brand didn't do as well a week ago as they did a year ago."

What's your point? Historically, incumbents sharing the same party affiliation with the President lose in off-year elections. I can't speak for Democrats, but it's no big deal. No one expected the same outcome as November 2008. It's all cool.

Regarding "the bloom" you have attached to the President: it is naive for anyone to think that electing one person - alone - can accomplish the goals that require House and Senate approvals. Yes, all of Obama's goals are being watered down by both Democrat and Republican representatives, and I personally lose hope that this country will forge meaningful health care, meaningful economic reform, and meaningful energy reform. Our best days are behind us. But I believe this does not reflect badly on the President. He is doing remarkably well despite the House and Senate.

[Karl Rove]

Jeffrey Reel wrote:

<quoted text>
"Any way you slice it or dice it, the Democrat brand didn't do as well a week ago as they did a year ago."
What's your point? Historically, incumbents sharing the same party affiliation with the President lose in off-year elections. I can't speak for Democrats, but it's no big deal. No one expected the same outcome as November 2008. It's all cool.
Regarding "the bloom" you have attached to the President: it is naive for anyone to think that electing one person - alone - can accomplish the goals that require House and Senate approvals. Yes, all of Obama's goals are being watered down by both Democrat and Republican representatives, and I personally lose hope that this country will forge meaningful health care, meaningful economic reform, and meaningful energy reform. Our best days are behind us. But I believe this does not reflect badly on the President. He is doing remarkably well despite the House and Senate.

I'm more optimistic than you. I think the country is in a rough patch as Boomers retire and take their skills with them, but it's just that, a rough patch. I think the failure of health legislation and cap & trade will be net plusses assuming they happen. Clearly regulation of financial markets needs updating, but I'm not sanguine about Democrats providing it. I guess my point is having always seen Obama as more hype than substance, having that suspicion confirmed is welcome and probably good for the country.