Pittsburgh Housing Authority wants constables on patrol

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The Pittsburgh Housing Authority wants to use state constables to patrol its housing projects, under supervision by city police.
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Mike Anthony

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#43
Mar 1, 2012
 
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Constables have more training then police.
Constables are idiots! Most are them are unprofessional, out of shape, low lifes!!!
constablejoe

Lititz, PA

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Feb 10, 2013
 
Salsa Meat wrote:
As a follow up to the last post, even though you have 235 card you still must possess a private detective/security license to do private security. Or work for a licensed security agency. Since Constables are prohibited to possess a license, then they must work for someone as a 235 officer not as a Constable.
Constables by law can provide security for any government indemnity !!!! this includes special events ,school, police department, as long as the government indemnity signs the pay check quizy moto the housing authority is a government agency
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Rochester, PA

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Feb 10, 2013
 
Mike Anthony wrote:
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Constables are idiots! Most are them are unprofessional, out of shape, low lifes!!!
They can patrol section 8 and the McKeesport Housing Authority too?
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/pittsburgh-pa...
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Rochester, PA

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#46
Feb 12, 2013
 
Oscaw wrote:
Does anyone else have an issue with this? Constables have neither the authority nor jurisdiction to "patrol" anything. They can only arrest on warrants or for on view felonies...the same power afforded to any citizen of the commonwealth. If Magisterial District Judges authorize their Constables this authority then it undermines the need for a professional Police department and oversteps the authority granted the judges themselves.
Constables have less training, no body of oversight (such as the City Police management provide) and are the same as putting private security in place to patrol the housing projects. If there is a problem with "trust" of the Police by the residents of the housing authority, how bad will it be with an unsupervised body of Officers? City Officers are better trained, managed and equipped.
Rather than attempt to patch a leak in the dam with a "bubble gum" fix that stretches the borders of legality in order to pinch a few pennies, wouldn't the City be better served to address the underlying issues of community relations and police trust? One way to do this is by hiring more Officers and assigning them to the project areas to be the face of the Department to those housing areas. Disbanding the housing authority Police department only worked if you replace those assigned Officers with full time, permanently assigned City Officers to take their place. But as is so often the case...lets remove services and increase taxes, and then wonder why things don't work.
Didn't we learn anything by what happened with Blackwater and the Iraqi mission? Private contractors, hired for police and security details always work flawlessly and without incident. Letís get them to patrol the projects!
No issue with this.
Pgh Five O

Pittsburgh, PA

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Feb 13, 2013
 
Frank wrote:
<quoted text>Constables have more training then police.
Frank, I hate to tell you but you are very wrong with this quote. I dont know who is telling you or giving you your information, but the city police recieve monthly training at thier own academy in Ethics, Case Law, Firearms Qualifications, Patrol Rifle Qualifications, Criminal Law Updates, Use of Force Updates, Active Shooter Training, Riot Control Training, SWAT Training, K9 Training, Motorcycle Patrol Training, River Rescue Training, etc...etc..etc....I could go on for 2 more pages. The average Pa. State Constable does not go thru the rigerous training that the city police do. The State Constable would have to pay for this training on his or her own tab, for there is no state funding to train them. I hope this opened up your eyes Frank.
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Aliquippa, PA

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Dec 13, 2013
 
Salsa Meat wrote:
Since you mentioned police - the answer is no - its not legal. Where does it say in Act 49, House Bill 1607 that says a Constable can perform security services other than preserving peace at an election poll or in a courtroom? However it clearly states in Title 22, Private Detective Act of 1953 the following: "No person, partnership, association or corporation, shall engage in the business of private detective, or the business of investigator, or the business of watch, guard or patrol agency, for the purpose of furnishing guards or patrolmen or other persons to protect persons or property, or to prevent the theft or the unlawful taking of goods, wares and merchandise, or to prevent the misappropriation or concealment of goods, wares, merchandise, money, bonds, stocks, documents, and other articles of value, for hire or reward, or advertise his or their business to be that of detective, or of a detective agency, or investigator, or watch, guard or patrol agency, notwithstanding the name or title used in describing such agency, or notwithstanding the fact that other functions and services may also be performed for fee, hire or reward, without having first obtained a license so to do as hereinafter provided.Ē This same law holds true for police officers. But police departments, of course, are pushing the envelope as well on their "special details". You never answered my question on, if this was so legal, in contracting with Constables, why is the Housing Authority requring the bidder to have a private security license, requiring the "Constable" to wear the security company's uniform, requiring the "Constable" to be Act 235, and requiring the "Constable" to be an employee of the licensed security company? Interesting - wouldn't you agree?
You have the private det. Act misinterpreted. Its says furnish...guards....for profit. Anybody can hire security officers as an employee of their company. Constables can patrol if they wish it is public property. They can also make arrests. I have managed security firms for 5 years now amd know the priv. Det. Act like the back of my hand. If a company wanted to furnish constables, they would be securitt officers, and the company needs to be licensed. But even as a retail clerk a constable is a constablr 24/7 they can make an arrest as a constable working ad a security officer. Constables and security af e primarily the same except security detain they can't arrest or transport like constables can.

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Dec 14, 2013
 

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A constable is "the man" and the "Man" is not welcome in Northview Heights, or any other third world government housing. Law and order is not good for business. If you put this type of presence on the street it would violate the first rule of the projects. "Rules are for fools".

Why not have the local politicians walk around and throw money at problems, that's what they do best anyhow!
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Dec 14, 2013
 
Still using bigotry as trolling bait.

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