Are teachers asking for too much in t...

Are teachers asking for too much in taxes in this economy?

Created by Education Reform on May 29, 2012

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Nick

Latrobe, PA

#46 Feb 18, 2013
Reimburse for unused sick days is one perc we can not afford!
John

Allentown, PA

#47 Feb 18, 2013
Nick wrote:
Reimburse for unused sick days is one perc we can not afford!
It's a problem in every school district in the state . Unused sick days , personal days , vacation days . Then you are on the book for all the pensions . From the top down , your taxes cannot sustain these buyouts.

Delaware Valley School District Super , close to a million in retirement buyouts . Her husband is also on board in the district.
Alice

Latrobe, PA

#49 Mar 5, 2013
My daughter works in Virgnia Beach as an El Ed teacher and makes $7,000 less than my niece who works at Bethel Park in the same position. they both graduated from IUP in 2007.
Pennsylvania

Allentown, PA

#50 Mar 5, 2013
Alice wrote:
My daughter works in Virgnia Beach as an El Ed teacher and makes $7,000 less than my niece who works at Bethel Park in the same position. they both graduated from IUP in 2007.
They both probably make more than a Doctor in private practice or at a hospital . A little more information would be needed before a comparison could be made . "they both graduated from IUP" so what?
Pennsylvania

Allentown, PA

#51 Mar 5, 2013
Teacher Pension Cuts wrote:
Many states have found a way to deal with existing teacher pension plans. The Courts have been sympathetic in Pa because that are also recipients of the same government largesse as is legislator Jay Costa who is in bed with PSEA!
In an article in Penn Live "Despite case law interpreting the state constitution that bars reductions in benefits for tens of thousands of current employees, Corbett said he believes it is legally possible to do just that by limiting the reduction to future benefits employees have yet to accrue.
For example, he said the "multiplier" a percentage applied to an employee's years of service and final average salary to produce his or her retirement benefit could be reset at a lower rate for the latter part of the employee's career.
"You can cut the multiplier for folks going forward even if they (are) vested ... because they still have the benefit of that period that they had the multiplier," Corbett said. "Legally, can you do that? I believe you can."
David Fillman, head of Council 13 of the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which represents 45,000 state employees, said any attempt to reduce employees' right to earn future pension credit would violate the constitution."
In retrospect to whatever constitution we refer to :

When the auditor adding up what the taxpayer owes to fund the teachers and administrators pension , does his calculator go over the billion mark or does he have to count it up on paper (the old way). They throw out figures we couldn't comprehend or add up on paper . Close the schools , don't fix roads or bridges . There isn't enough money in this state or any other.
Pennsylvania

Allentown, PA

#52 Mar 5, 2013
Corbett and Costa are just hanging around to drain the money . There is no fix for the pension other than raising taxes on the homeowner.
Pennsylvania

Allentown, PA

#53 Mar 6, 2013
First the bad news .

There is a state cap of 1.7% a school district can raise your property tax every year .

There is no good news .

Every homeowner will see taxes rise for any year past and in the future . Retired , fixed income or able to afford your school tax , it's only a matter of time til you are broke paying salaries and pensions .
Vote 4 Santa Claus

Elizabeth, PA

#54 Mar 6, 2013
Pennsylvania wrote:
First the bad news .
There is a state cap of 1.7% a school district can raise your property tax every year .
There is no good news .
Every homeowner will see taxes rise for any year past and in the future . Retired , fixed income or able to afford your school tax , it's only a matter of time til you are broke paying salaries and pensions .
I will bring you gifts and more gifts if you vote for me.
STACIE

Apollo, PA

#55 Mar 10, 2013
They are lucky they are not competing in a global economy. If they had true competition their fat cat salaries and benefits would not exist.
John

Allentown, PA

#56 Mar 10, 2013
Nothing will change in yours or my lifetime . The state government ,its employees ,teachers ,administrators,legislators,lo bbyists and unions will never change from a defined benefit pension to a defined contribution one . You can't name one legislator that ever proposed changing the way it works ever really thought it would get out of committee . They're not competing in any economy . They go by laws in the Pa books and the taxpayer is held hostage .

Teachers used to answer some of these blogs but have since been told to stay off .
John

Allentown, PA

#57 Mar 10, 2013
Pennsylvania wrote:
First the bad news .
There is a state cap of 1.7% a school district can raise your property tax every year .
There is no good news .
Every homeowner will see taxes rise for any year past and in the future . Retired , fixed income or able to afford your school tax , it's only a matter of time til you are broke paying salaries and pensions .
Any school district can file for an exception to raise the 1.7% cap above that . Get ready for the real socialists to take over . It won't be like Russia when they told you to move and make room for the party. They have time and you won't have money to stay. They already have eminent domain that can take your property for one that can pay more in taxes.
Change the Culture

Elizabeth, PA

#58 Mar 10, 2013
Fire all of them and give me an unconditional voucher for my five children.
John

Allentown, PA

#59 Mar 10, 2013
Change the Culture wrote:
Fire all of them and give me an unconditional voucher for my five children.
What were you thinking when you had five kids ? 90% of teen pregnancies don't get married, Their kids don't finish school or get jobs when they leave . Evidently sex ed didn't help you . Unconditional vouchers ? Their Father owes you a heap of money.
You're on the wrong forum.
Sick leave abuse

Pittsburgh, PA

#60 Mar 12, 2013
School districts have got to get serious about abuse of sick leave by teachers and staff. Unlike the private sector you have to bring in subs. This could be hundreds of thousands of taxpayer money!
John

Allentown, PA

#61 Mar 13, 2013
Slightly different than the turnpike pay to play scheme but the results are the same . They play ,we pay . If they were sick days they should be reprimanded . If they were vacation days ,oh well . We don't have access to school records or the time to follow them around .
John

Allentown, PA

#62 Mar 17, 2013
STACIE wrote:
They are lucky they are not competing in a global economy. If they had true competition their fat cat salaries and benefits would not exist.
All State employees , PSERS and SERS work for thirty years , retire somewhere in their mid fifties ,collect a pension for their next thiry years that is more than their working salary . For some that stay until they reach SS retirement age their total pension is already above what they made while working . Winabago retirement bonus (withdrawal of all pension contributions),plus a minimum paid toward medical benefits .

There is no competition ,only collusion with the state .

Corbett will only be in for one term. He wants to change the state pensions plan from defined benefit to 1/2 401k and 1/2DB. He wants something that doesn't change $41 billion in underfunding . He isn't a legislator and no bill to change anything has been put forward by any legislator yet .

If you have any figures Stacie that will put the taxpayers in debt any faster I'd be interested in seeing them .
Roy hobbs

Pittsburgh, PA

#63 Mar 18, 2013
John wrote:
<quoted text>
All State employees , PSERS and SERS work for thirty years , retire somewhere in their mid fifties ,collect a pension for their next thiry years that is more than their working salary . For some that stay until they reach SS retirement age their total pension is already above what they made while working . Winabago retirement bonus (withdrawal of all pension contributions),plus a minimum paid toward medical benefits .
There is no competition ,only collusion with the state .
Corbett will only be in for one term. He wants to change the state pensions plan from defined benefit to 1/2 401k and 1/2DB. He wants something that doesn't change $41 billion in underfunding . He isn't a legislator and no bill to change anything has been put forward by any legislator yet .
If you have any figures Stacie that will put the taxpayers in debt any faster I'd be interested in seeing them .
You want to talk about state employees, how about a state cop retiring at 48 at 88,000 a year plus health care. Weighted trucks for the last 12 years on the Pa turnpike and slept in a cop car on overtime at construction sites to enhance his pension.
John

Allentown, PA

#64 Mar 19, 2013
Roy hobbs wrote:
<quoted text>You want to talk about state employees, how about a state cop retiring at 48 at 88,000 a year plus health care. Weighted trucks for the last 12 years on the Pa turnpike and slept in a cop car on overtime at construction sites to enhance his pension.
Doesn't surprise me . All taxpayer jobs are weighted towards past practice of doing things the old way.

It will end hard for a lot of people that wouldn't blink at ripping off the taxpayer cause that's the way it was always done .

Big Steel had as many salary exempt and non exempt employees if not more than the people working 24-7 in the mills . As long as the mills were rolling steel and the loaders were working there were always a back up crew that could rest, sleep or do nothing til they were needed. Mill workers got a bad reputation that everyone slept on the job ? The benefits and rippoffs came from all levels of top salary employees . It lasted until the underfunded pensions exceeded the steel that could be sold to fund them.

A little different than a cop sleeping on the job but the end result is the taxpayer pays for all this crap. More steelworkers were killed on the job than cops . That might draw some flak but you can't be more dead than dead ? Both jobs had dangers .
PSEA Aavarice

Latrobe, PA

#65 Mar 22, 2013
From PSEA website:

PSEA is upset with caps on taxes that they can levy when surpassing the inflation rate. Even though there are still exceptions to exceed the inflation rate they want to get more money out of our wallet!
They recently testified in front of the legislature to suck more money out of the taxpayers.

"Declining Tax Bases and Rate Limits. Declining local property values and caps on property tax increases have eroded school districts' tax bases and curtailed their ability to raise much-needed revenues."
Nogs

Greensburg, PA

#66 Mar 22, 2013
Change the Culture wrote:
Fire all of them and give me an unconditional voucher for my five children.
We dont want your jungle apes in our white suburban schools. Stay in the ghetto where you and your thugs in training belong.

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