Pilgrim Layoffs Worry East Texas Businesses

Jan 9, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: KLTV Tyler

For the communities of Pittsburg and Mount Pleasant, the words lay-offs and Pilgrims Pride, create immediate concern.

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I'm not one of the farmers , idiot.
The only idiots are you and the rest of the farmers on this forum thinking they have been mistreated. Sad they all have lost it all, but that's the risk you take in business. Unless you are the head man then be prepared to possibly get fired, laid off, or have your contract ended because you are not needed anymore. The head man makes the decisions, not the people on the bottom of the totem pole. You people seem to think it is the other way around. Good luck with whatever lawsuits you have. I'm sure all Pilgrim's will do is file motions of continuance against you for the next 1000 years until you all die or go under. He who has the most money wins in court. Have any of you not talked to a "real" attorney or are you all just hashing this out online like this forum getting advise from every "egg" head and chicken out there? Your all too dumb to realize you have no case and you have lost before even starting. Whatever attorney takes your case is just taking your money. Get in the real world for a change. Sorry but avoiding all the real questions asked of you in this forum and just spewing your hate will get you nowhere. I kinda felt sorry for you people before, but now I really hope you all get a good dry screwing, from your perspective, because in the end it will just be what the law dictates. Their attorneys are on retainers and can run you all in circles for the next 1000 years and it will cost them no more than they are already paying. Don't you all realize that. Your pipe dreams of conquering Goliath are just pipe dreams.
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The only idiots are you and the rest of the farmers on this forum thinking they have been mistreated. Sad they all have lost it all, but that's the risk you take in business. Unless you are the head man then be prepared to possibly get fired, laid off, or have your contract ended because you are not needed anymore. The head man makes the decisions, not the people on the bottom of the totem pole. You people seem to think it is the other way around. Good luck with whatever lawsuits you have. I'm sure all Pilgrim's will do is file motions of continuance against you for the next 1000 years until you all die or go under. He who has the most money wins in court. Have any of you not talked to a "real" attorney or are you all just hashing this out online like this forum getting advise from every "egg" head and chicken out there? Your all too dumb to realize you have no case and you have lost before even starting. Whatever attorney takes your case is just taking your money. Get in the real world for a change. Sorry but avoiding all the real questions asked of you in this forum and just spewing your hate will get you nowhere. I kinda felt sorry for you people before, but now I really hope you all get a good dry screwing, from your perspective, because in the end it will just be what the law dictates. Their attorneys are on retainers and can run you all in circles for the next 1000 years and it will cost them no more than they are already paying. Don't you all realize that. Your pipe dreams of conquering Goliath are just pipe dreams.
Has anyone else noticed that "Tammy" seems to equate everything to some kind of deviant sex.
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lets take up a collection and buy her a nice big bar of soap.
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I wonder if there were people telling those 10 Oklahoma poultry farmers they would never win in court? Not only did those 10 farmers win, they were awared $7.3 million. I don't think they had to wait quite 1000 years. Let's see, that would be in the year 1010 that this suit would have been filed, according to "Tammy". Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't there were any major poultry integrators operating at that time.
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The support from the public is beginning to grow and spread. Get everyone you can to sign the letter on line to the Dept. of Justice and USDA. The lobbyisits are out and they are doing everything they can to derail the new proposals being considered. Here's the link again to take you to the FarmAid.org page ...

http://www.farmaid.org/site/c.qlI5IhNVJsE/b.4...
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Please, don't put this off or fail to be actively involved in getting people to sign this letter.
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i wish you pr people would stop and think, how would you feel if con agra had bought pilgrim then shut down the pittsburg plant and distroyed your community. just think of this and wonder who would be complaining then.
It doesn't matter what plant is shut down if the plant is not profitable for the corporation. It has happened where I have lived before and I had to find another job and move to another community. Whoa, big news flash to you I bet. All you have probably ever known is working on one chicken farm. Well life is full of surprises and this is not that big of a deal. Do you want to work for free or at a loss. Well, the business cannot do this either and pay you or anyone else to produce at a loss. A business does not owe the employees anything. You work for the company and if the company cannot sustain itself them people are cut, things are downsized and the company then may close its doors. You people act like Pilgrims owes you something. They don't. Just like the company I work for does not owe me a job and a paycheck. If they are not profitable where I work they will close the business. You people really need to get out of this Obama welfare mentality. I just read a report in a magazine and you sound just like a person on Medicaid. They are typically the worst type of patient to enter a healthcare facility because they "expect" everything to be handed to them and throw a fit when they think their benefits are being cut. They typically think they have a "right" to everything and it should be handed to them immediately. Sounds like your postings doesn't it? Sorry you think you got screwed by your former employer, in reality you just made some bad business decisions. If things are as bad as you say in all of your postings you are a fool for being in your business.
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canceled grower wrote:
lets take up a collection and buy her a nice big bar of soap.
Boy, I've been reading this, a heated issue, and ALL parties need a bar of soap. Each is right and wrong. The farmers feel screwed because they were cut and the company is just doing what it needs to stay afloat, just like every other company in the United States. So, it's really just business. The guy at the top, depends on all his VP's, etc. to keep him informed of what he needs to know, but alot of this mess would not be in his oversight from a large company standpoint. The blame finger will always get pointed at the guy at the top, but like alot of people have said, it's his company so he can do what he wants. Sure he lost alot of money, but he is still worth a fortune. He took the risk to grow and lost alot. Other's lost to, but that is the price is you are working for someone. You are not guaranteed anything and I think this is the mistake of most of the people on this site.
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May not be the farmer, but sure seems like you know your farm animals on a first name basis.
I certainly recognize a cow when I hear one.
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Your all too dumb to realize you have no case and you have lost before even starting.
Uh, that would be "you're". Just sayin'. ;o)

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Bob wrote:
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It doesn't matter what plant is shut down if the plant is not profitable for the corporation. It has happened where I have lived before and I had to find another job and move to another community. Whoa, big news flash to you I bet. All you have probably ever known is working on one chicken farm. Well life is full of surprises and this is not that big of a deal. Do you want to work for free or at a loss. Well, the business cannot do this either and pay you or anyone else to produce at a loss. A business does not owe the employees anything. You work for the company and if the company cannot sustain itself them people are cut, things are downsized and the company then may close its doors. You people act like Pilgrims owes you something. They don't. Just like the company I work for does not owe me a job and a paycheck. If they are not profitable where I work they will close the business. You people really need to get out of this Obama welfare mentality. I just read a report in a magazine and you sound just like a person on Medicaid. They are typically the worst type of patient to enter a healthcare facility because they "expect" everything to be handed to them and throw a fit when they think their benefits are being cut. They typically think they have a "right" to everything and it should be handed to them immediately. Sounds like your postings doesn't it? Sorry you think you got screwed by your former employer, in reality you just made some bad business decisions. If things are as bad as you say in all of your postings you are a fool for being in your business.
El Dorado, was profitable, they shuffled paper to make it look as if it were not profitable. They bought equipment charged it to El Dorado, and then shuffled it to other plants. I saw the trucks load the equipment myself, after a security guard pointed it out to me. They burried the good equipment under scraps and sent it away from the plants as salvage. Brand new equipment. Don't even start with me about not being profitable. The growers in El Dorado were ranked as the top growers in the nation. Get your facts right before you start makeing statements that are mere conjecture, and not based in facts. Everyone who knows anything about what happened, knows why El Dorado was "idled", and it has nothing to do with anything you just spouted.

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I have yet to see old farmer as the agressor, who attacked anyone. I have seen him defend his point, and defend himself after being attacked. I do know that many people are ignorant of so much that has been done to the farmers. Any intelligent person understands that saying someone is ignorant is not a put down, it is merely a statement one uses when he/she knows that the person that they are talking to just does not have the facts that support their statements. We farmers do have the facts, and it will come out in a court of law, next June. Before attacking me or old farmer, or canceled grower, etc, try considering that there is a good basis for our complaints against Pilgrims Pride. We have however been attacked in ertremely vulgar manners, by some who say that they don't even have a dog in the fight, and that they are not even with Pilgrims Pride, yet they seem to know a lot about company insider information, that only Pilgrims Pride employees might know. I find this extremely suspect to say the least. Why is it that people who supposedly have no dog in this fight, act as if they do. The farmers who are blogging on here want and need real change in the system. Three decades ago, when I was first in the business, there was still some integrity in the management of these companies. People will reap what they sow, and if Pilgrims Pride goes under, it will be from what they have sown, and not anything else. If you do good by people, it will come back to you, many times over, If you do bad by people, that will also come back to you many times over. We farmers have not wronged anyone. As a matter of fact, the majority of farmers that I know always go the extra mile, in makeing sure that they are always fair in all their business dealings. So if a farmer is telling you that you are ignorant in your statements, he is merely trying to help you understand that you do not have the facts to support your statements. We have the facts, and we are attempting to educate the public of great injustices done by these mega-integrators against the small poultry farmers from coast to coast. It just happens that in my thirty years of poultry experience, Pilgrims Pride has proven to be the harshest, most manupulative, and the most destructive company that we have ever been exposed to. Many of the farmers here, had been told that if they would build chicken houses, that the company will provide chickens for them until they had their houses paid off, Pilgrims renigged on this, and left the farmers hanging. Part of this issue is about having integrity. Pilgrims has shown the El Dorado, Clinton, Farmersville, Dalton, farmers and more that they have no integrity, and they have disgraced themselves with their blatant arrogance. Contrary to what some may think, we are the ones who have been done wrong, and we are, and we will fight the injustices that have been dumped on us. We have endured years of abuse from integrators, we are not afraid of challenges, we have faced them for years. If it takes a decade, we will fight, to right the injustices the integrators subject the farmers to, and the fraud that Pilgrims Pride subjected the farmers to. As for the details of the fraud, you'll just have to wait until it comes out in court. This company that some of you people are defending so vulgarly would crap on any of you if they thought it would benifit them. It is a beautiful evening outside, I think I'll go outside for a while.
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From looking at these postings it appears that Tammy was called ignorant and other things which enraged her to become ugly in her tone also. Though you may have meant it in another way, it was taken wrong by her and by probably most other readers. You paragraph clarifies things now, but it is after the fact. That is the problem with emails and postings. Things can be written one way and taken another.

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Tom wrote:
From looking at these postings it appears that Tammy was called ignorant and other things which enraged her to become ugly in her tone also. Though you may have meant it in another way, it was taken wrong by her and by probably most other readers. You paragraph clarifies things now, but it is after the fact. That is the problem with emails and postings. Things can be written one way and taken another.
I took the time to go back over the posts in which Tammy had posted, and unless I missed something, it was Tammy all the way, who began attacking the farmers, and others, and continued to do so, from the beginning in harsh, and vulgar language. There was never any need for such talk. People of regular intelligence, totally understand the difference between being ignorant, which is a lack of information, and being just plain stupid. I do agree with you mostly, but unless I totally missed her first post, it appears that she began vulgar, and just got worse, and their is no excuse for such profane use of the Queens Language.
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Tom wrote:
From looking at these postings it appears that Tammy was called ignorant and other things which enraged her to become ugly in her tone also. Though you may have meant it in another way, it was taken wrong by her and by probably most other readers. You paragraph clarifies things now, but it is after the fact. That is the problem with emails and postings. Things can be written one way and taken another.
Good point, Tom. I'm afraid Tammy took my "under the desk" comment as being sexual innuendo (which was not intended). It's always hard to connect the written word with the writer's emotions and actual intentions.
That said, however, we're all responsible for our replies. The statements connecting rural farmers with beastiality was meant to cause offense so there's no real justification for the "innocent bystander" plea.

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I have heard a rumor that we will not be effected here. One of the other plants may have some layoffs though. I do think we are under a hiring freeze for most positions.
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I wish that I was under a subpoena to appear in court to tell the truth about Bo Pilgrim. I was fired from employment because I refused to be apart of the scams used to screw the chicken growers. Truck drivers were ordered by live haul managers to fuel only once which lowers the gross weight of a truck and trailer. This was done to screw the growers. And I am a witness. These people in Mt. Pleasant belong in federal prison.
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Jane I think you maybe a little late to testify, but who knows what may come up in the future.
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Jane wrote:
I wish that I was under a subpoena to appear in court to tell the truth about Bo Pilgrim. I was fired from employment because I refused to be apart of the scams used to screw the chicken growers. Truck drivers were ordered by live haul managers to fuel only once which lowers the gross weight of a truck and trailer. This was done to screw the growers. And I am a witness. These people in Mt. Pleasant belong in federal prison.
You should contact Johnny Dollar in Louisiana or Mark Brodeur in Dallas who are representing the growers of the Farmerville complex which is scheduled to go to court. The El Dorado complex has already won their suit for around $26 million but Pilgrim's Pride is currently appealling the decisions and it maybe helpful to have additional information regarding the illegal business practices of the corrupt company.
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Yes, Jane, please contact one of these. The farmers need all of the ammunition they can get.
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The more people that are willing to come forward with testimony, especially those who may have documented those actions, can still make a hugh difference in these cases. Many different aspects of our case were dissmissed, because many who we knew had information would not testify for fear of repercussions. Pilgrims representatives called many and laid down veiled threats. It takes a lot of courage to speak out against a corporate monster such as Pilgrims Pride.

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