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JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75874 Aug 17, 2014
SANSKRIT ROOTS OF ABRAM/ABRAHAM IN TERMS OF ETYMOLOGY

Abraham is understood by some as,“A Brahma”- meaning a Brahmin.
He is understood by others as an “ex-Brahmin”, being a prophet, sect, or a tribe which because of their conflict with orthodox Brahmins became refuges in the west. This can be clearly proven if one investigates the root meanings of both words. Abraham is said to be one of the oldest Semitic prophets. His name is supposed to be derived from the two Semitic words ‘Ab’ meaning ‘Father’ and ‘Raam/Raham’ meaning ‘of the exalted.’ In the book of Genesis, Abraham simply
means ‘Multitude.’ The root of Brahma is ‘Brah’ which means -‘to grow or multiply in number.’ In addition Lord Brahma, the Creator God of Hinduism, is said to be the ‘Father of all Men and Exalted of all the Gods’, for it is from him that all beings were generated. Thus again we come to the meaning ‘Exalted Father.’ This is another clear indicator that the word Abraham is linked with the Hindu deity Brahma.
The Name Abram/Abraham is clearly derived from the Sanskrit word Brahma.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75875 Aug 17, 2014
Voltaire was of the opinion that Abraham descended from some of the numerous Brahman priests who left India to spread their teachings throughout the world; and in support of his thesis he presented the
following elements: the similarity of names and the fact that the city of Ur, land of the patriarchs, was near the border of Persia, the road to India, where that Brahman had been born.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

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#75876 Aug 17, 2014
scirocco wrote:
<quoted text>
The ancestral homeland of Arabs is Arabia and everyone comes from Africa.
As a people Jews have the oldest claim to the land. Arabic wasn't a language until the 3rd or 4th century CE some 2000 years After Jews were already in the land of Israel.
There are quite a few Palestinians who do probably have their roots in the land, and not all Palestinians see themselves as Arabs. But most do.

I dont think us Jews really have any special claim to the land, I think we are due what we have acquired legally (which is most of what we have) and what is practical. The historical argument is kind of weak given that there are other people on the land too. Not to say we shouldnt have the area as a Jewish homeland, but I think it is disingenuous to ignore the entire issue of native rights.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75877 Aug 17, 2014
Equating the Hindu Brahma and Saraswathi with the Biblical Abraham and Sarai is easily attainable. It must be mentioned in this respect that while Saraswathi is said to be the daughter of Brahma in accordance with the Indian tradition, her Biblical counterpart, Sarai, has been described as the sister of Abraham. There are many striking similarities between the Hindu god Brahma and his daughter/consort/wife Saraswathi, as compared with the Hebrew Abraham and his sister/wife Sarai that seem more than
mere coincidences.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#75878 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
SANSKRIT ROOTS OF ABRAM/ABRAHAM IN TERMS OF ETYMOLOGY
Abraham is understood by some as,“A Brahma”- meaning a Brahmin.
He is understood by others as an “ex-Brahmin”, being a prophet, sect, or a tribe which because of their conflict with orthodox Brahmins became refuges in the west. This can be clearly proven if one investigates the root meanings of both words. Abraham is said to be one of the oldest Semitic prophets. His name is supposed to be derived from the two Semitic words ‘Ab’ meaning ‘Father’ and ‘Raam/Raham’ meaning ‘of the exalted.’ In the book of Genesis, Abraham simply
means ‘Multitude.’ The root of Brahma is ‘Brah’ which means -‘to grow or multiply in number.’ In addition Lord Brahma, the Creator God of Hinduism, is said to be the ‘Father of all Men and Exalted of all the Gods’, for it is from him that all beings were generated. Thus again we come to the meaning ‘Exalted Father.’ This is another clear indicator that the word Abraham is linked with the Hindu deity Brahma.
The Name Abram/Abraham is clearly derived from the Sanskrit word Brahma.
JOEL is actually a name lifted off page 18 of the Mossad handbook.

It was given to your parents in order to guarantee perpetuity of jewish control of your mind.

From what I have reading of your posts, I think we have a good job. Not everyone we control is supposed to be sane. Sometimes we have to create things to keep us amused, you know.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75879 Aug 17, 2014
MELCHIZEDEK was a king of Jerusalem who possessed secret mystical and magical powers. He was also Abraham’s teacher. Melik-Sadaksina was a great Indian prince, magician, and spiritual giant - the son of a Kassite king. In Kashmiri and Sanskrit, Sadak =“a person with magical, supernatural powers.” A certain Zadok (Sadak?) was also a supernaturally endowed priest who anointed Solomon. Why does the Kassite (of
royal caste) Melik-Sadaksina suddenly appear in Jerusalem as the friend and mentor of Abraham?
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75880 Aug 17, 2014
According to Akshoy Kumar Mazumdar in The Hindu History, Brahm was the spiritual leader of the Aryans. As an Aryan (Not of Yah), he naturally believed in idols. The Bible says that he even manufactured them. Upon seeing how increasing idol worship and religious guesswork were contributing to the further downfall of his people, Brahm backed away from Aryanism and re-embraced the ancient Indian (Yah) philosophy (Cult of the Material Universe) even though it, too, was foundering in manmade evils. He decided that mankind could save himself only by dealing with what was real - not the imagined.
This is paralleled in a story about Abraham in the Koran when he turned away from his father’s business of manufacturing idols. Shocked at the barbarism and blind selfishness of the people, the wise men and educated people among the proto-Semitics isolated themselves from the masses. Dr. Mazumdar wrote,“The moral fall was
rapid. The seers and sages lived apart from the masses. They seldom married and were mostly given to religious contemplation. The masses, without proper light and leader, soon became vicious in the
extreme. Rape, adultery, theft, etc., became quite common. Human nature ran wild. Brahma (Abraham) decided to reform and regenerate the people. He made the chief sages and seers to marry
and mix with the people. Most refused to marry, but 30 agreed.” Brahm married his half sister Saraswathi *Sarah). These sages became known as Prajapatis (progenitors). There is no doubt that the Yadavas founded ancient Israel. The real Sanskrit name of the Jews, Yahuda, seems to clearly suggest this.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75881 Aug 17, 2014
A silly White-skinned gay American whose European ancestors (who were either pagans or Christians and who later embraced Judaism out of compulsion or choice) is so stupid that he thinks he is an original Hebrew. The original Hebrews were dark-skinned natives of the Indian subcontinent. LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75882 Aug 17, 2014
If you have read the Jewish or Christian bible, you can probably guess that Satyavarman, Shem, Sham, and Jyapeti were Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japhet taken from the Puranas. From another Hindu story, we get:
“The progeny of Adamis and Hevas soon became so wicked that they were no longer able to coexist peacefully. Brahma therefore decided to punish his creatures “Vishnu” ordered Vaivasvata to build a ship for himself and his family. When the ship was ready, and Vaivasvata and his family were inside with the seeds of every plant and a pair of every species of animal, the big rains began and the rivers began to overflow.”
(They even “borrowed” the 40 days and 40 nights from the Hindu stories). LOL.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75883 Aug 17, 2014
and much more......
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75884 Aug 17, 2014
I am off to the Sea Lounge in the Taj. Bye, boyz. ROFL.

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Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#75885 Aug 17, 2014
Troll is sanskrit for wisdom
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75886 Aug 17, 2014
scirocco wrote:
<quoted text>
The work is called the Antiquities of the Jews
http://www.biblestudytools.com/history/flaviu...
I understand that there is a work call the Antiquities. It is not the work referred to by Joel. And, there is no reference to Aristotle in that either.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75887 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
If you have read the Jewish or Christian bible, you can probably guess that Satyavarman, Shem, Sham, and Jyapeti were Noah, Shem, Ham, and Japhet taken from the Puranas. From another Hindu story, we get:
“The progeny of Adamis and Hevas soon became so wicked that they were no longer able to coexist peacefully. Brahma therefore decided to punish his creatures “Vishnu” ordered Vaivasvata to build a ship for himself and his family. When the ship was ready, and Vaivasvata and his family were inside with the seeds of every plant and a pair of every species of animal, the big rains began and the rivers began to overflow.”
(They even “borrowed” the 40 days and 40 nights from the Hindu stories). LOL.
Why does it surprise you that there is a universal truth throughout many cultures of a great flood? Do you think that the flood only affected one culture? From what I have seen, the Vedas are from 1000 to 500 BCE. The story of Gilgamesh and the flood dates back to 2100 BCE. Genesis which contains the story of Noah is about 1500 BCE. No one claims Noah and his family to be Jews or Hebrews or Israelites. They were believers in G-d. Their progeny would have re-populated the earth including the Indian Subcontinent. There they would have told their children of the flood and it would have become part of the Indian culture also.

Since: May 14

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#75888 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
The Greeks asserted that the Jews were Indians whom the Syrians called Judea, the Sanskrit synonym of which is Yadava or Yaudheya, and the Indians also called them Kalanis, meaning orthodox followers of the
scriptures.
I guess they still haven't progressed as far as DNA scientific knowledge and neither have you
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75890 Aug 17, 2014
VEDAS - WORLD'S OLDEST RELIGIOUS TEXTS

The Vedas are the oldest religious texts in the world and the latest research by Georg Fuerstein, Subhash Kak, R S Sharma, B G Tilak, David Frawley and other scholars reveal that the Vedas were put into written form in 5000 BC or earlier, while the oral form of the Vedas extends back to an unknown antiquity. These books speak of verifiable astronomical events and geological happenings that date back tens of thousands of years and in these books there is repeated mention of the early home of the Vedas being at the North Pole in an ice free age. They were given their present written form much before the river Saraswathi dried up in 1800 BC. The antiquity of the Vedas is also confirmed by the 4000 to 5000 year old Zend Avesta of the Zoroastrians.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75891 Aug 17, 2014
RIG VEDA HONORED BY UNESCO:

The Rig Veda manuscripts, housed at the famed Bhandarkar Oriental Research Institute, Pune, have been selected for inscription in UNESCO's "Memory of the World" Register, 2007.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75892 Aug 17, 2014
ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS MENTIONED IN THE VEDAS:

The Vedas mention references to the night sky and astronomical events as a way of referencing the date/time of the events being described. Below are references to some of these mentions along with when they were last observed based on computer simulations of the night sky:

A) Rig Veda:

1) Winter equinox in Ashwini (7000 BC)

2) Revati at the winter solstice (6000 BC)

3) Vernal Equinox in Punarvasu (5000-6000BC)

4) Vernal equinox in Mrigashira (5000 BC)

B) The Yajur Veda:

1) Krittika at the winter solstice (8500 BC)

2) Purvabhadrapada nakshatra as rising due east (10000 BC)

sources:

. Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler, Ph.D

. Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization By David Frawley
Eric

Aurora, IL

#75893 Aug 17, 2014
JOEL wrote:
ASTRONOMICAL EVENTS MENTIONED IN THE VEDAS:
The Vedas mention references to the night sky and astronomical events as a way of referencing the date/time of the events being described. Below are references to some of these mentions along with when they were last observed based on computer simulations of the night sky:
A) Rig Veda:
1) Winter equinox in Ashwini (7000 BC)
2) Revati at the winter solstice (6000 BC)
3) Vernal Equinox in Punarvasu (5000-6000BC)
4) Vernal equinox in Mrigashira (5000 BC)
B) The Yajur Veda:
1) Krittika at the winter solstice (8500 BC)
2) Purvabhadrapada nakshatra as rising due east (10000 BC)
sources:
. Origins of Vedic Civilization by Kenneth Chandler, Ph.D
. Gods, Sages and Kings: Vedic Secrets of Ancient Civilization By David Frawley
Come on Joel. There is a vernal equinox and a winter solstice every year. And there is never a winter equinox.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#75894 Aug 17, 2014
GLOBAL FLOOD MYTH

1) The earliest mention of the global flood is in the ancient Sanskrit books from where younger Babylonian civilizations picked it up due to inter-flow of knowledge via trade routes between the Indo-Aryans and the inhabitants of the ME.

2) Geologically, there is no evidence that a global flood ever took place and given the fact that the Sanskrit books talk about Vishnu, Vaivasvat and other supraphysical entities involved in the so-called global flood directing the first male-female pair it is this apparent that the global flood has a mystical significance and does not refer to an actual flood on earth.

3) In these mystical texts, a word can have multiple meanings depending on the context and often the most esoteric events that are far removed from the plane of gross matter are narrated using gross physical examples.

4) In mystical parlance, for example, the term "the waters" does not refer to a sea or to an ocean or to a body of water as we ordinarily understand it in gross physical language. In mysticism, the term "the waters" refers to the dynamic sentient energy fields of the cosmic vital plane. The first "male-female pair" is the purush-prakriti combine of forces that manifest on the mind plane before materializing on the gross physical plane. Similarly, in mysticism, "breath" or "airs" refer to the vital principle (life force), "sun" refers to the illumined mind and so on.

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