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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#74685 Jun 24, 2014
IS THE ABSOLUTE REALLY UNKNOWABLE?

1) The absolute consciousness with its innate pure energy (which exists as a dual movement of 2 co-existent phases of its pure potentiality which are the manifest cosmic phase and the unmanifest transcendent phase) is said to be "unknowable" but this is only true with respect to the ordinary consciousness that dominates the human being.

2) Once, the psychic awakening under yogic discipline takes place and the awakened psychic emerges, from its station in the body behind the mental, vital and physical planes, and begins ascending in consciousness from plane to plane, the first 7 of which are in the body with the rest lying above the head, then, the degree of unknowability of the absolute keeps reducing in proportion to the plane of consciousness that the psychic has ascended to and once the psychic merges with the supramental planes (13th to 16th planes) the first light of the true nature of the absolute begins to make itself known to the psychic merged in the supramental planes.

3) As the psychic ascends beyond the supramental realms the degree of unknowability of the true nature of the absolute begins to rapidly fade and as such the the true nature of the absolute appears closer and closer to the ascending psychic until the whole truth of the absolute is laid bare to the psychic once it unites with the self atop the 21st cosmic plane.
never ending

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#74686 Jun 24, 2014
you boys still at it. Look forward to the future!:-)
sick

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#74687 Jun 24, 2014
what kind of sick dude would support evil actions?
still at it

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#74688 Jun 24, 2014
I see you boys are still at it. Wonder why peace talks don't work. :-)

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#74689 Jun 24, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles---Nowhere in my text does it say that the negative commandments are particular to certain geographies. However, it is fair to interpret.
HughBe--- Did I say otherwise? So don't floc your neighbour's wife is it limited to geography?
Frijoles---Thats the point. You make ASSUMPTIONS.
HughBe--- Specify the assumptions. Explain, did I say otherwise.
Frijoles---So, the question, is why can YOU make assumptions, but you will not respect the assumptions of others (such as the rabbis of the Talmudic period).
HughBe--- I have made NO assumptions. It is difficult for an honest person like me to respect blatant dishonesty. It is also difficult for a person like me who God Himself has blessed with wisdom and good sense to think much of the nonsensical doctrines of men like your masters.
Frijoles---Who made you the lord only?
HughBe--- I don't know about the ONLY part.
Frijoles---We are making baby steps, here.
HughBe--- Indeed, you are always making baby steps. I look forward to the day when your steps become that of an adult.
Well, to start, you are making an assumption that some commandments are limited by geography and some are not.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#74690 Jun 24, 2014
HughBe wrote:
Frijoles---Sorry I dont do bastardized translations in English.
HughBe--- Is that what you are calling the English translation done by your rabbis or masters at Chabad?
Your rabbis BASTARDIZED translation is below, explain the words and tell me where the firstborn should go for sacrifices, offerings, tithes etc.
Hint: Is it America, land of Reuben, land of Issachar, land of Dan, land of Manasseh or is "THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and COME there."
Where is the PLACE that the Lord CHOSE?
What does COME THERE mean?
Deuteronomy 12
"These are the statutes and ordinances that you shall keep to perform in the land which the Lord God of your fathers gives you to possess all the days that you live on the earth........TO THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and come there. And THERE you shall BRING your burnt OFFERINGS, and your SACRIFICES, and your TITHES, and the separation by your hand, and your VOWS and your DONATIONS, and the FIRSTBORN of your CATTLE and of your sheep And THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord, your God, and you shall rejoice in all your endeavors you and your households, as the Lord, your God, has blessed you."
Frijoles----Hows that wave offering doing?
HUghBe--- Based on the texts above from the Complete Jewish Bible you tell me where the wave offering ceremony would be performed. Is it in the PLACE where the Israelites were COMMANDED to GO TO?
Based on the passage above what is your misunderstanding of "THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord"? Where would they go to be BEFORE the Lord?
Have you given your wave offering to the priests?
Have they waved it BEFORE the Lord?
Does BEFORE the Lord mean in the land of Dan?
Finally, like Eric you are clueless as to what yo are asking and are both dim-witted idiots.
What is the actual Hebrew word for "priest" as used in those passages, and are they only from certain areas? What is the word root?

This is where your ignorance of the dialect that the text uses hangs you up.
Sammy

Somerset, KY

#74691 Jun 24, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
<quoted text>
Only 1?
Which is it?
How do you know it is 1 or 50 or 500 or none?
What is the basis of declaring the other Gods false?
yep
Sammy

Somerset, KY

#74692 Jun 24, 2014
sick wrote:
what kind of sick dude would support evil actions?
us evil Americans!!!.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#74693 Jun 24, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
God made me your god. Besides, it is God Almighty that COMMANDED where the sacrifices were to be performed it was not lord HughBe.
Finally, any idiot knows that a great many of the commandments were applicable to the entire nation regardless of where they lived. So therefore, don't floc your neighbour's wife was operational in the land of Judah, in the land of Reuben etc. the sacrifices and the gathering for the feasts were a totally different thing.
Send your masters/rabbis to me so that they may get proper schooling. Why? they are the only credible sources for Judaists. So I shall instruct them and they in turn you.
For the wave offering set forth in Lev. 23 there is no place mentioned. And, how could there be a place. The farmers did not live in Jerusalem. How could they make an offering there? Further, at the time that Lev. 23 was pronounced, Jerusalem did not exist. Nor did the temple exist.
Eric

Aurora, IL

#74694 Jun 24, 2014
HughBe wrote:
HUghBe--- Based on the texts above from the Complete Jewish Bible
The "Complete Jewish Bible" is a Messianic Christian book.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#74695 Jun 24, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>For the wave offering set forth in Lev. 23 there is no place mentioned. And, how could there be a place. The farmers did not live in Jerusalem. How could they make an offering there? Further, at the time that Lev. 23 was pronounced, Jerusalem did not exist. Nor did the temple exist.
Hugh keeps responding with the Duet citations, but I never offered those as the basis for my comments anyhow. Another ASSUMPTION on his part.

Eric

Aurora, IL

#74696 Jun 24, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
Hugh keeps responding with the Duet citations, but I never offered those as the basis for my comments anyhow. Another ASSUMPTION on his part.
Hugh has a one track mind. Unfortunately, the train has already left the station on that track.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74697 Jun 24, 2014
Sammy wrote:
<quoted text>

yep
The Ultimate Reality cannot be a being like a G-d or the G-d or Gods which are lower aspects of a higher reality.

The Ultimate Reality can be a field of pure potentiality in terms of its inherent information content which is pure consciousness with its innate pure energy but again there's an error since a field would mean a state with differences of varying intensities, whereas in the absolute state of pure potentiality the various aspects are indistinguishable from each other.

The differences show up only in the manifest state.

Besides, difference is never of kind but of degree.

So, keeping all this in mind, we can say that the Ultimate Reality is an indistinguishable concentrate of pure potentiality in terms of pure consciousness with its inherent pure energy.

This makes better sense.
JOEL

Mumbai, India

#74699 Jun 24, 2014
A CLOSER LOOK AT THE CHRISTIAN TRINITY & THE TRIPLE POINT OF WATER

I had brought out the analogy of the triple point of H2O to rationalize the Christian trinity but later made a correction.

If solid (ice), liquid (water) and vapor (steam) are the triple manifestations of H2O at triple point with ice representing the Son, water the Holy Ghost and steam the Father, however, these are simply the manifest aspects of the underlying typal reality which is H2O.

So, it would mean that the father, son and holy ghost are the manifest aspects of a greater reality which is H20 as an underlying typal principle behind its triple manifested states.

Would the Christians accept a greater reality (which is the underlying typal principle H20) than their Father, Son and Holy Ghost construct? No.

The typal principle is always the source of its manifested aspects and as such it is superior in information content to any or all of its manifested states.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#74700 Jun 25, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>The "Complete Jewish Bible" is a Messianic Christian book.
It figures. Who else would use the word "complete" as a qualifier to Jewish anyhow. Shades of imperialistic theology.

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#74701 Jun 25, 2014
Another Darwin award...

Gaza Rocket Misfires, Kills Palestinian Girl

Palestinian medical sources reported Tuesday that a three-year-old girl was killed after a rocket fired at Israel landed on a house in Beit Lahia in Gaza. Four members of the girl's family were injured.

Four rockets were launched at Israeli communities on Tuesday. Two rockets were intercepted by Israel's Iron Dome missile defense system.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-453...
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74702 Jun 25, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>For the wave offering set forth in Lev. 23 there is no place mentioned. And, how could there be a place. The farmers did not live in Jerusalem. How could they make an offering there? Further, at the time that Lev. 23 was pronounced, Jerusalem did not exist. Nor did the temple exist.
Good morning rabbi/Eric.

Lessons 1:

rabbi---For the wave offering set forth in Lev. 23 there is no place mentioned.

HughBe--- Using Leviticus 23 tell me the place that is mentioned for celebrating the feast of Unleavened Bread, feast of Weeks and the feast of Tabernacles.

Lesson 2

rabbi---And, how could there be a place. The farmers did not live in Jerusalem. How could they make an offering there? Further, at the time that Lev. 23 was pronounced, Jerusalem DID NOT EXIST. Nor did the temple exist

HughBe---Deuteronomy 12

V1" --These are the statutes and ordinances that you SHALL KEEP to perform IN THE LAND which the Lord God of your fathers gives you to possess all the days that you live on the earth."

V5 "to the PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE FROM ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; YOU SHALL inquire after His dwelling and COME there."

V6 "And THERE you shall BRING your BURNT OFFERINGS, and your SACRIFICES, and your TITHES, and the separation by your hand, and your VOWS and your DONATIONS, and the firstborn of your CATTLE and of your sheep"

(Did God know that the farmers did not live in Jerusalem when He made the above commandments. Did He know that "Jerusalem DID NOT EXIST. did He know that the temple did not exist")

V7--"And there you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord, your God, and you shall rejoice in all your endeavors you and your households, as the Lord, your God, has blessed you."

EXPLAIN, eat BEFORE the Lord. Does it mean in the land of Dan?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74703 Jun 25, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>The "Complete Jewish Bible" is a Messianic Christian book.
Eric why do YOU LIE so much?

YOU know that it is the Bible from the Chabad website. How? I have used it COUNTLESS times in the past and YOU know this.

Tell US what is Chabad?

Besides it is really an INDICTMENT on you and ALL who think like you and who FEEL that the ONLY credible source is that which is associated with Judaism.

This brainwashing TOOL has been used to DECEIVE the Jewish people for CENTURIES but many are no longer DECEIVED and have rejected the LIES and decpetion.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74704 Jun 25, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>The wave offering earlier this month that Frijoles questioned you on is governed by Lev. 23.
In fact, when you first replied, you only questioned the issue of the Temple. Your question concerning Priests has only surfaced of late. This might be only the second time you have raised the question of Priests.
OUTSTANDING

When it speaks of the PRIESTS doing things BEFORE the Lord Almighty does it mean that the priests should do it in America, Jamaica, land of Manesseh, land of Naphtali, land of Reuben or in JERUSALEM and at the TEMPLE?

Where do PRIESTS perform their ROLES?

Are the duties of PRIESTS performed at the TEMPLE in Jerusalem?

Where do you see that the wave offering belongs to anyone save the PRIESTS?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#74705 Jun 25, 2014
Eric---The "Complete Jewish Bible" is a Messianic Christian book.

HughBe----I had to search for my post and I found it. Most of it comes next. Tell me how can YOU be so DISHONEST? It is CLEAR from my post below that The Complete Jewish Bible comes from your masters/god-men/RABBIS. Answer the questions NOW. Stop DODGING.

NOTE: Your RABBIS BASTARDIZED translation is BELOW=TEXTS ABOVE from the Complete Jewish Bible

HughBe--- Your RABBIS BASTARDIZED translation is BELOW, explain the words and tell me where the firstborn should go for sacrifices, offerings, tithes etc.

Hint: Is it America, land of Reuben, land of Issachar, land of Dan, land of Manasseh or is "THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and COME there."

Where is the PLACE that the Lord CHOSE?

What does COME THERE mean?

Deuteronomy 12
"These are the statutes and ordinances that you shall keep to perform in the land which the Lord God of your fathers gives you to possess all the days that you live on the earth........TO THE PLACE which the Lord your God shall CHOOSE from ALL your tribes, to set His Name there; you shall inquire after His dwelling and come there. And THERE you shall BRING your burnt OFFERINGS, and your SACRIFICES, and your TITHES, and the separation by your hand, and your VOWS and your DONATIONS, and the FIRSTBORN of your CATTLE and of your sheep And THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord, your God, and you shall rejoice in all your endeavors you and your households, as the Lord, your God, has blessed you."

Frijoles----Hows that wave offering doing?

HUghBe--- Based on the TEXTS ABOVE from the Complete Jewish Bible you tell me where the wave offering ceremony would be performed. Is it in the PLACE where the Israelites were COMMANDED to GO TO?

Based on the PASSAGE ABOVE what is your misunderstanding of "THERE you shall EAT BEFORE the Lord"? Where would they go to be BEFORE the Lord?

Have you given your wave offering to the priests?

Have they waved it BEFORE the Lord?

Does BEFORE the Lord mean in the land of Dan?

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