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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

There are 71939 comments on the Newsday story from Jun 21, 2008, titled Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel. In it, Newsday reports that:

Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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#73161 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
With all due respect this is not a serious repercussion.
It is to me and to all those who otherwise wouldn't exist or whose lives would be drastically different. Keep in mind that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) came to the US because of the European devastation caused by the war. The US was seen as a safe haven for many.
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
This is speculation.
It's also speculation to assume that getting rid of Hitler before his rise to power would result in a better situation overall. That was my point - no one knows. It's a gamble.
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Yes, other atrocities would have occured even without Hitler, but the point was what terrible outcome(s) would have occured if Hitler was eliminated before his rise to power.
Again, no one knows. To use your own words - "This is speculation".
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
True, but it seems you give for granted that something bad would have happened if someone would have killed Adolf.
Not at all. I specifically said I don't know, but that I'd rather deal with the devil I know than the one I don't. I'm not a gambling man. Perhaps you are.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#73162 May 6, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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but he did...
so now what?
rabbee: it is the devils assignment, to temp you to disobey G-D. it is not considered the works of G-D, even though halooseefer is sent by G-D. Adam was not born gay nor created to be gay, and neither were any of you. these sins are taught propaganda, and those who believe the devil are susceptible to this. you believe in your taught propaganda, you do not believe in G-D. if you are interested in propaganda from the enemy of G-D, then you are not interested in The Truth from G-D.

Since: Nov 13

Denver, CO

#73163 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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God never said you don't have to be tested, right?
So go make a DNA test and prove you are not a liar, unless you are trying to avoid it because it can prove you are.
rabbee: i cannot do, anything G-D never said i shall do. i can only do, what G-D said i shall do. what don't you understand, G-D is in charge of me and not you with the devil. my life story has already been told, i cannot change one instant of this. you do not understand just how powerful, The Word of G-D actually is. you do not even understand, how powerful the devil is you are subjugated by. your doing everything the devil commands of you, and i am not. my whole life story, can only be changed by G-D. i am not! more powerful than G-D. and you are not even, more powerful than the devil weaker than G-D. your failure to comprehend, G-D is in charge does not constitute i am trying to get out of anything.

Since: May 12

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#73164 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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It is to me and to all those who otherwise wouldn't exist or whose lives would be drastically different. Keep in mind that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) came to the US because of the European devastation caused by the war. The US was seen as a safe haven for many.
Hmm you might partially have a point here.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>It's also speculation to assume that getting rid of Hitler before his rise to power would result in a better situation overall. That was my point - no one knows. It's a gamble.
I haven't assumed any position, so far.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>Again, no one knows. To use your own words - "This is speculation".
Other atrocities would have happened because they happened. Hitler wasn't the only dictator in this planet un the last century. It's not a speculation.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all. I specifically said I don't know, but that I'd rather deal with the devil I know than the one I don't. I'm not a gambling man. Perhaps you are.
In the moment you said there are SERIOUS repercussion, you imply you can foresee the 'outcome(s) and the use of the adjective serious followed by your examples let us think they (outcomes) are negative.

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#73165 May 6, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: i cannot do, anything G-D never said i shall do. i can only do, what G-D said i shall do. what don't you understand, G-D is in charge of me and not you with the devil. my life story has already been told, i cannot change one instant of this. you do not understand just how powerful, The Word of G-D actually is. you do not even understand, how powerful the devil is you are subjugated by. your doing everything the devil commands of you, and i am not. my whole life story, can only be changed by G-D. i am not! more powerful than G-D. and you are not even, more powerful than the devil weaker than G-D. your failure to comprehend, G-D is in charge does not constitute i am trying to get out of anything.
God never said to Adam to not take a DNA test. Now go a take a test.

Show the world you are not a liar or crazy and how powerful god is.

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#73166 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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hmmm interesting. True that.
Does that go for every single event though?
Is that absolute? How about 9/11? or the recent ferry tipping over? or the kidnapped school girls in Nigeria?
I wouldn't stop Putin taking Crimea etc, but I'm not sure stopping everything single bad event could turn things worse.....though one could argue it's a slippery slope meddling with the future.
If Jeffrey Dahmer never existed, would the world be so different? One could argue, we just don't know. Perhaps the rule of hands off is the best course...
I think you answered your own question ;-)

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#73167 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Hmm you might partially have a point here.
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I haven't assumed any position, so far.
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Other atrocities would have happened because they happened. Hitler wasn't the only dictator in this planet un the last century. It's not a speculation.
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In the moment you said there are SERIOUS repercussion, you imply you can foresee the 'outcome(s) and the use of the adjective serious followed by your examples let us think they (outcomes) are negative.
Fair enough. Of course, traveling back in time seems highly unlikely, if not impossible, but these mind experiments can be interesting and insightful.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#73168 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I think you answered your own question ;-)
Maybe I did and maybe I didn't.

In this case "the devil you know" definitely killed several million people.

In terms of a gamble, the gamble would be that the results (of killing young Hitler) would not be worse than that.

That might be a fair gamble, for mankind, though not necessary any specific person or family.

I mean, seriously, what are the chances that killing him could make things worse?

Since: Jan 14

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#73169 May 6, 2014
COR claims to be a scientist but over the years has displayed poor understanding of Math, Science, Logic and Morality. Take his naive stand on OBJECTIVE MORALITY which he says does not exist. What he forgets in the bargain is that while the act (murder, theft, arson etc) is objective, the reason one acts is subjective but here too where subjectivity is concerned there exists a UNIVERSAL SUBJECTIVE and an INDIVIDUALISTIC SUBJECTIVE. The former (universal subjective) is a kind of codification of values and derives from cult teachings, upbringing, society and education, while the latter (individualistic subjective) has more to do with personality. Universal subjectivism is more like an objectivism since it is common to millions who share similar beliefs or values which often get tempered with personalty instincts. The reason one acts is always a mixture of these reasons - UNIVERSAL SUBJECTIVISM and an INDIVIDUALISTIC SUBJECTIVISM. Often the former overrules individual sensibility and then the individual gets caught up in the universal madness as seen during whipping up of nationalistic fervor or mass frenzy created over war, acute scarcity or epidemic.

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#73170 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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Maybe I did and maybe I didn't.
In this case "the devil you know" definitely killed several million people.
In terms of a gamble, the gamble would be that the results (of killing young Hitler) would not be worse than that.
That might be a fair gamble, for mankind, though not necessary any specific person or family.
I mean, seriously, what are the chances that killing him could make things worse?
Europe was ripe for war. What if a different leader with different war plans (I.e. Leave Russia alone) led to a more protracted war. Or worse, an axis alliance with Russia. This scenario could have the potential of leading to more deaths. How many died in WWI without a Hitler?

That's just one of many possibilities. Some with good outcomes. some not so good. Do you really want to take that chance? I say, let the past be, and focus on the present and future.

Since: Jan 14

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#73171 May 6, 2014
ADOLF HITLER was a product of heredity, miseducation, circumstances, occult, homosexuality and brain washing (courtesy Tavistock). He was more a puppet in the hands of his mentors than anything else. Latest declassified FBI files, says Henry Makow, reveal the source of Hitler's funding and the friends who helped him escape to Argentina after WW2 which was a scripted war engineered by powerful lobbies working with a specific plan of milking the situation to garner greater economic monopolies, creating greater mind control of the terrified masses and carving out of Israel in the ME.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#73172 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
COR claims to be a scientist but over the years has displayed poor understanding of Math, Science, Logic and Morality.
And you claim to be a yogi. But you don't act like one. You are conceited. You are dictatorial. You are self centered. You do nothing to help mankind. You are often depressed. You allow others to take advantage of you.

Since: Jan 14

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#73173 May 6, 2014
COR: I say, let the past be, and focus on the present and future."

JOEL: LMAO. Past, present and future form a complex causal chain with one influencing the other in overt and in subtle ways. One can never let the past be since the past spills over into the present and the past and present shape the future.

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#73174 May 6, 2014
Eric, Go and find yourself a 13 year old boy to screw.

Since: Jan 14

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#73175 May 6, 2014
Bye, boyz. It's 5:30 am here. LOL.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#73176 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Eric, Go and find yourself a 13 year old boy to screw.
Truth hurts, right Joel!
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#73177 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
Bye, boyz. It's 5:30 am here. LOL.
Actually it's more like 5:55 am
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#73178 May 6, 2014
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Since: Aug 11

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#73179 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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Maybe I did and maybe I didn't.
In this case "the devil you know" definitely killed several million people.
In terms of a gamble, the gamble would be that the results (of killing young Hitler) would not be worse than that.
That might be a fair gamble, for mankind, though not necessary any specific person or family.
I mean, seriously, what are the chances that killing him could make things worse?
This article articulates my sentiments perfectly...

http://www.theguardian.com/science/brain-flap...

Since: Apr 11

North Hollywood, CA

#73180 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Does being over 6 feet tall impair one's critical faculties of cognition and does it affect one's sexual orientation?
I don't think so.
What impaired your critical faculties of cognition?

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