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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family.

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Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73153 May 6, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Did you allow another fake yogi to play tricks with your mind again driving you close again to suicide?
btw, how's that end of the world scenario working for your?
Oh, wait, I forgot, you have no mind. Just a bowl of mush. Or was that porridge?

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#73154 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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Folks like us prefer to think for ourselves.
Not so much "follow along with the other sheep" types.
No offense. I actually enjoy lamb! Dijon encrusted rack is awesome!
Check out some of these recipes...

http://www.weber.com/recipes/lamb

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#73155 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Re: Hitler
Interesting idea. But, as we learned from the ever timeless "Back to the Future" movie, there are serious repercussions to altering the past. I would be more likely to leave things as they were.
What serious repercurssions there could be if a person eliminate A.H. before his rise to the power?
former res

Cheshire, CT

#73156 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Check out some of these recipes...
http://www.weber.com/recipes/lamb
They look great.

For my 3rd grill I finally broke down and got a Weber last year.

Should have started with one. would probably still have it today.

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#73157 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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What serious repercurssions there could be if a person eliminate A.H. before his rise to the power?
Well, for starters, I probably wouldn't exist. My parents came and met in the US to escape post-war Europe. I wonder how many other people this would be true for?

Looking at a broader, more global scale, what would Europe look like today had the war and then the post-war reconstruction period not occurred? How do we know a different "evil" leader wouldn't have arisen in place of Hitler? NATO most likely wouldn't exist today in its current form.

I recall listening to an interview on NPR a few months back by a historical expert that WWII and various atrocities would have occured even if Hitler didn't exist. I'm not a political scientist so I'll be the first to admit I don't know the liklihood of the various scenarios, but the bottom line is no one knows what the ramifications would be. It's a gamble. So I'm inclined to leave things as they are.

"Better the devil you know (than the devil you don't)"

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#73158 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Well, for starters, I probably wouldn't exist. My parents came and met in the US to escape post-war Europe. I wonder how many other people this would be true for?
With all due respect this is not a serious repercussion.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>Looking at a broader, more global scale, what would Europe look like today had the war and then the post-war reconstruction period not occurred? How do we know a different "evil" leader wouldn't have arisen in place of Hitler? NATO most likely wouldn't exist today in its current form.
This is speculation.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>I recall listening to an interview on NPR a few months back by a historical expert that WWII and various atrocities would have occured even if Hitler didn't exist. I'm not a political scientist so I'll be the first to admit I don't know the liklihood of the various scenarios, but the bottom line is no one knows what the ramifications would be. It's a gamble. So I'm inclined to leave things as they are.
Yes, other atrocities would have occured even without Hitler, but the point was what terrible outcome(s) would have occured if Hitler was eliminated before his rise to power.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>"Better the devil you know (than the devil you don't)"
True, but it seems you give for granted that something bad would have happened if someone would have killed Adolf.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#73159 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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Sounds like I was right. You're not a believer of objective morality. I concur.
Looking at the origin of the terms:
The Greek term equivalent to Latin mores is ethos.

Best to look thus at what Aristotle wrote about eudemaion-wellbeing the state where one is independent from any want/needs nothing else.
Ethics would then be the entire path of guidelines and rules one would set out on, to reach that state.

Virtue (latin again) coming down to greek aret: intended for the highest class only. Christianity (intending to become acceptable to those in charge)- guidelines for schooling behaviour behoving the highest class citizens as: temperance.

““You must not lose faith ”

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#73160 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Yes, other atrocities would have occured even without Hitler, but the point was what terrible outcome(s) would have occured if Hitler was eliminated before his rise to power.
<quoted text>
True, but it seems you give for granted that something bad would have happened if someone would have killed Adolf.
Does ...the inevitability of atrocities...not acually mean that the cause for the wars should be found in another place.
And not simply that atrocities are part package of the condition humaine'.
Wat if anything stops all restraints, so to be avoided at all cost.

I would say WW II only stopped when the new colonies and possible access to this new product oil, where satisfatory resolved in favour of mainly America.
That WW I revolved around the same issue.

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#73161 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
With all due respect this is not a serious repercussion.
It is to me and to all those who otherwise wouldn't exist or whose lives would be drastically different. Keep in mind that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) came to the US because of the European devastation caused by the war. The US was seen as a safe haven for many.
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
This is speculation.
It's also speculation to assume that getting rid of Hitler before his rise to power would result in a better situation overall. That was my point - no one knows. It's a gamble.
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
Yes, other atrocities would have occured even without Hitler, but the point was what terrible outcome(s) would have occured if Hitler was eliminated before his rise to power.
Again, no one knows. To use your own words - "This is speculation".
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
True, but it seems you give for granted that something bad would have happened if someone would have killed Adolf.
Not at all. I specifically said I don't know, but that I'd rather deal with the devil I know than the one I don't. I'm not a gambling man. Perhaps you are.

yehoshooah adam

“Here again in The Torah”

Since: Nov 13

Denver Colorado 80218

#73162 May 6, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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but he did...
so now what?
rabbee: it is the devils assignment, to temp you to disobey G-D. it is not considered the works of G-D, even though halooseefer is sent by G-D. Adam was not born gay nor created to be gay, and neither were any of you. these sins are taught propaganda, and those who believe the devil are susceptible to this. you believe in your taught propaganda, you do not believe in G-D. if you are interested in propaganda from the enemy of G-D, then you are not interested in The Truth from G-D.

yehoshooah adam

“Here again in The Torah”

Since: Nov 13

Denver Colorado 80218

#73163 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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God never said you don't have to be tested, right?
So go make a DNA test and prove you are not a liar, unless you are trying to avoid it because it can prove you are.
rabbee: i cannot do, anything G-D never said i shall do. i can only do, what G-D said i shall do. what don't you understand, G-D is in charge of me and not you with the devil. my life story has already been told, i cannot change one instant of this. you do not understand just how powerful, The Word of G-D actually is. you do not even understand, how powerful the devil is you are subjugated by. your doing everything the devil commands of you, and i am not. my whole life story, can only be changed by G-D. i am not! more powerful than G-D. and you are not even, more powerful than the devil weaker than G-D. your failure to comprehend, G-D is in charge does not constitute i am trying to get out of anything.

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#73164 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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It is to me and to all those who otherwise wouldn't exist or whose lives would be drastically different. Keep in mind that hundreds of thousands (if not millions) came to the US because of the European devastation caused by the war. The US was seen as a safe haven for many.
Hmm you might partially have a point here.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>It's also speculation to assume that getting rid of Hitler before his rise to power would result in a better situation overall. That was my point - no one knows. It's a gamble.
I haven't assumed any position, so far.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>Again, no one knows. To use your own words - "This is speculation".
Other atrocities would have happened because they happened. Hitler wasn't the only dictator in this planet un the last century. It's not a speculation.
Cult of Reason wrote:
<quoted text>Not at all. I specifically said I don't know, but that I'd rather deal with the devil I know than the one I don't. I'm not a gambling man. Perhaps you are.
In the moment you said there are SERIOUS repercussion, you imply you can foresee the 'outcome(s) and the use of the adjective serious followed by your examples let us think they (outcomes) are negative.

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#73165 May 6, 2014
yehoshooah adam wrote:
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rabbee: i cannot do, anything G-D never said i shall do. i can only do, what G-D said i shall do. what don't you understand, G-D is in charge of me and not you with the devil. my life story has already been told, i cannot change one instant of this. you do not understand just how powerful, The Word of G-D actually is. you do not even understand, how powerful the devil is you are subjugated by. your doing everything the devil commands of you, and i am not. my whole life story, can only be changed by G-D. i am not! more powerful than G-D. and you are not even, more powerful than the devil weaker than G-D. your failure to comprehend, G-D is in charge does not constitute i am trying to get out of anything.
God never said to Adam to not take a DNA test. Now go a take a test.

Show the world you are not a liar or crazy and how powerful god is.

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#73166 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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hmmm interesting. True that.
Does that go for every single event though?
Is that absolute? How about 9/11? or the recent ferry tipping over? or the kidnapped school girls in Nigeria?
I wouldn't stop Putin taking Crimea etc, but I'm not sure stopping everything single bad event could turn things worse.....though one could argue it's a slippery slope meddling with the future.
If Jeffrey Dahmer never existed, would the world be so different? One could argue, we just don't know. Perhaps the rule of hands off is the best course...
I think you answered your own question ;-)

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#73167 May 6, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
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Hmm you might partially have a point here.
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I haven't assumed any position, so far.
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Other atrocities would have happened because they happened. Hitler wasn't the only dictator in this planet un the last century. It's not a speculation.
<quoted text>
In the moment you said there are SERIOUS repercussion, you imply you can foresee the 'outcome(s) and the use of the adjective serious followed by your examples let us think they (outcomes) are negative.
Fair enough. Of course, traveling back in time seems highly unlikely, if not impossible, but these mind experiments can be interesting and insightful.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#73168 May 6, 2014
Cult of Reason wrote:
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I think you answered your own question ;-)
Maybe I did and maybe I didn't.

In this case "the devil you know" definitely killed several million people.

In terms of a gamble, the gamble would be that the results (of killing young Hitler) would not be worse than that.

That might be a fair gamble, for mankind, though not necessary any specific person or family.

I mean, seriously, what are the chances that killing him could make things worse?

JOEL COOL DUDE

Since: Jan 14

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#73169 May 6, 2014
COR claims to be a scientist but over the years has displayed poor understanding of Math, Science, Logic and Morality. Take his naive stand on OBJECTIVE MORALITY which he says does not exist. What he forgets in the bargain is that while the act (murder, theft, arson etc) is objective, the reason one acts is subjective but here too where subjectivity is concerned there exists a UNIVERSAL SUBJECTIVE and an INDIVIDUALISTIC SUBJECTIVE. The former (universal subjective) is a kind of codification of values and derives from cult teachings, upbringing, society and education, while the latter (individualistic subjective) has more to do with personality. Universal subjectivism is more like an objectivism since it is common to millions who share similar beliefs or values which often get tempered with personalty instincts. The reason one acts is always a mixture of these reasons - UNIVERSAL SUBJECTIVISM and an INDIVIDUALISTIC SUBJECTIVISM. Often the former overrules individual sensibility and then the individual gets caught up in the universal madness as seen during whipping up of nationalistic fervor or mass frenzy created over war, acute scarcity or epidemic.

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#73170 May 6, 2014
former res wrote:
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Maybe I did and maybe I didn't.
In this case "the devil you know" definitely killed several million people.
In terms of a gamble, the gamble would be that the results (of killing young Hitler) would not be worse than that.
That might be a fair gamble, for mankind, though not necessary any specific person or family.
I mean, seriously, what are the chances that killing him could make things worse?
Europe was ripe for war. What if a different leader with different war plans (I.e. Leave Russia alone) led to a more protracted war. Or worse, an axis alliance with Russia. This scenario could have the potential of leading to more deaths. How many died in WWI without a Hitler?

That's just one of many possibilities. Some with good outcomes. some not so good. Do you really want to take that chance? I say, let the past be, and focus on the present and future.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#73171 May 6, 2014
ADOLF HITLER was a product of heredity, miseducation, circumstances, occult, homosexuality and brain washing (courtesy Tavistock). He was more a puppet in the hands of his mentors than anything else. Latest declassified FBI files, says Henry Makow, reveal the source of Hitler's funding and the friends who helped him escape to Argentina after WW2 which was a scripted war engineered by powerful lobbies working with a specific plan of milking the situation to garner greater economic monopolies, creating greater mind control of the terrified masses and carving out of Israel in the ME.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73172 May 6, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
COR claims to be a scientist but over the years has displayed poor understanding of Math, Science, Logic and Morality.
And you claim to be a yogi. But you don't act like one. You are conceited. You are dictatorial. You are self centered. You do nothing to help mankind. You are often depressed. You allow others to take advantage of you.

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