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HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#73048 May 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>
First law school was founded by George Wythe
<quoted text>
Not true. Never happened.
HughBe----The FIRST bible printed in English in America was printed by CONGRESS and the original congressional document said that the BIBLE was " a neat/new addition of the Holy Scriptures for the USE of our SCHOOLS"

Eric----Not true. Never happened.

HighBe--- The man has the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE with the congressional APPROVAL and yet it is not true, in your mind.

Do you understand what he means when he says that the original congressional document said that the BIBLE was " a neat/new addition of the Holy Scriptures for the USE of our SCHOOLS"

Do you think that no such document exists?

Prove that it is all a lie by this typical Christian.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73049 May 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote from your link and demonstrates that what follows is not true.
James Wilson wrote the FIRST law book to be used in America and he started the FIRST law school in America. The man in the video has the physical evidence to support his claim about the book.
The link is from William and Mary Law School. It says "America's First Law School". The link has an article on how George Wythe founded the school.

"In some ways, the origins of William and Mary's law school can be traced to 1762. That year, a Williamsburg lawyer named George Wythe, one of the most distinguished attorneys in colonial America, was asked to take on a particularly promising recent William and Mary graduate as an apprentice in his law office. Wythe agreed, and so for the next five years, he provided Thomas Jefferson with an extraordinary education that equipped him not only to practice law, but also to provide the intellectual and political leadership that the new nation would so desperately need."

***

"Jefferson became governor of Virginia in 1779, and as part of his gubernatorial duties, he joined the Board of Visitors at the College of William and Mary. Jefferson persuaded the Board to engage in a restructuring of the education offered at the College, which included the establishment of a new professorship in law. To fulfill his vision of training lawyers who would exercise public virtue, Jefferson turned to his old friend and mentor, George Wythe. The William and Mary law school was born with a singular vision of training lawyers who would help the new nation successfully complete its remarkable experiment in self-government.

"Wythe began teaching law at the College in January 1780. His students learned the nuances of the English common law, relying in significant measure on Blackstone's Commentaries. "

NOW WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THIS ON JAMES WILSON:

"He became the first professor of law at the College of Philadelphia in 1790—only the SECOND at any academic institution in the United States—in which he mostly ignored the practical matters of legal training. Like many of his educated contemporaries, he viewed the academic study of law as a branch of a general cultured education, rather than solely as a prelude to a profession." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wilson

THEREFORE GEORGE WYTHE WAS TEACHING LAW AT WILLIAM AND MARY TEN YEARS BEFORE WILSON. AND THAT DOESN'T COUNT WHAT HE WAS DOING IN 1762.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73050 May 5, 2014
And with that, all I have to say to Mr. Beck is:

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#73051 May 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Did you read the citations I gave you? Of course not. Then you would know the truth. Congress recognized the printer of the edition of the Bible for his accuracy. You need to read the actual words of Congress set forth in the citation.
YOU quote from it.

The man has his physical evidence and YOU and company should prove that he is LYING. I am confident that he is not lying and I don't believe that he and Mr. Beck is deceiving the public but clearly you hold a different position.

You should try LISTENING to the video and doing the research but I suspect that YOU know that what he says is true.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#73052 May 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>Did you read the citations I gave you? Of course not. Then you would know the truth. Congress recognized the printer of the edition of the Bible for his accuracy. You need to read the actual words of Congress set forth in the citation.
Quote from YOUR link and demonstrates that what follows is not true.

James Wilson wrote the FIRST law book to be used in America and he started the FIRST law school in America. The man in the video has the physical evidence to support his claim about the book.
former res

Cheshire, CT

#73053 May 5, 2014
Huggy

I hope you haven't been hanging around in men's rooms and checking out others.

Apu said you admitted to this practice in the past.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#73054 May 5, 2014
HUghBe---Quote from your link and demonstrates that what follows is not true.
James Wilson wrote the FIRST law book to be used in America and he started the FIRST law school in America. The man in the video has the physical evidence to support his claim about the book.

Eric----The link is from William and Mary Law School. It says "America's First Law School". The link has an article on how George Wythe founded the school.

"IN SOME WAYS, the origins of William and Mary's law school can be traced to 1762. That year, a Williamsburg lawyer named George Wythe, one of the most distinguished attorneys in colonial America, was asked to take on a particularly promising recent William and Mary graduate as an apprentice in his law office. Wythe agreed, and so for the next five years, he provided Thomas Jefferson with an extraordinary education that equipped him not only to practice law, but also to provide the intellectual and political leadership that the new nation would so desperately need."
***
"Jefferson became governor of Virginia in 1779, and as part of his gubernatorial duties, he joined the Board of Visitors at the College of William and Mary. Jefferson persuaded the Board to engage in a restructuring of the education offered at the College, which included the establishment of a new professorship in law. To fulfill his vision of training lawyers who would exercise public virtue, Jefferson turned to his old friend and mentor, George Wythe. The William and Mary law school was born with a singular vision of training lawyers who would help the new nation successfully complete its remarkable experiment in self-government.
"Wythe began teaching law at the College in January 1780. His students learned the nuances of the English common law, relying in significant measure on Blackstone's Commentaries. "

NOW WHAT'S INTERESTING IS THIS ON JAMES WILSON:
"He became the first professor of law at the College of Philadelphia in 1790—only the SECOND at any academic institution in the United States—in which he mostly ignored the practical matters of legal training. Like many of his educated contemporaries, he viewed the academic study of law as a branch of a general cultured education, rather than solely as a prelude to a profession." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wilson

THEREFORE GEORGE WYTHE WAS TEACHING LAW AT WILLIAM AND MARY TEN YEARS BEFORE WILSON. AND THAT DOESN'T COUNT WHAT HE WAS DOING IN 1762.

HughBe--- I believe that you need to read with care and UNDERSTANDING. Here are some helpful tips.

1."IN SOME WAYS, the origins of William and Mary's law school can be traced to 1762.

Why do you suppose it said IN SOME WAYS? Is it possible that in OTHER ways 1762 is not the origins? YES

2. "Jefferson became governor of Virginia in 1779, and as part of his gubernatorial duties, he joined the Board of Visitors at the College of William and Mary. Jefferson persuaded the Board to engage in a restructuring of the education offered at the College, which included the establishment of a new professorship in law. To fulfill his vision of training lawyers who would exercise public virtue, Jefferson turned to his old friend and mentor, George Wythe. The William and Mary LAW SCHOOL was BORN with a singular vision of training lawyers.."

What was the BIRTH year of the LAW SCHOOL based on the above?

3. The fact is "JAMES WILSON:"He became the FIRST professor of law at the College of Philadelphia in 1790"

What did he teach. One cannot have good civil law without divine laws. That is in his book.

What in your quote says that Wilson did NOT write the FIRST law book? I see nothing to say that.

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

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#73055 May 5, 2014
There is a 20th century H.W. Wilson
http://www.ebscohost.com/academic/index-to-le...

Together with St. George Tucker -Tucker would, in time, become the most influential legal scholar of the early 19th century, particularly following the publication of his widely read - 1803 five-volume annotated edition of Blackstone's Commentaries, you might get a good introduction in American law.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73056 May 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
HughBe----The FIRST bible printed in English in America was printed by CONGRESS and the original congressional document said that the BIBLE was " a neat/new addition of the Holy Scriptures for the USE of our SCHOOLS"
Eric----Not true. Never happened.
HighBe--- The man has the PHYSICAL EVIDENCE with the congressional APPROVAL and yet it is not true, in your mind.
Do you understand what he means when he says that the original congressional document said that the BIBLE was " a neat/new addition of the Holy Scriptures for the USE of our SCHOOLS"
Do you think that no such document exists?
Prove that it is all a lie by this typical Christian.
It's a forgery. Never happened. Congress only recognized Aitken's work as accurate. Aitken wrote to Congress asking to be made the official printer of the Bible and Congress didn't do it. That didn't stop Aitken from wrongfully saying that it did.

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmort...

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#73057 May 5, 2014
"David Barton (born 1954) is an American evangelical Christian minister,[1] conservative activist, and author. He founded WallBuilders, a Texas-based organization which promotes the view that it is a myth that the US Constitution insists on separation of church and state."

Jay W. Richards, senior fellow at the Christian conservative Discovery Institute, stated in 2012 that Barton's books and videos are full of "embarrassing factual errors, suspiciously selective quotes, and highly misleading claims."[58] The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Barton's work as "anti-gay" "historical revisionism", noting that Barton has no formal training in history.[59]

"In 2012, Barton's New York Times best-seller[60] The Jefferson Lies was voted "the least credible history book in print" by the users of the History News Network website.[11] A group of ten conservative Christian professors reviewed the work and formed a negative view of its claims, reporting that Barton has misstated facts about Jefferson.[58][61] In August 2012, Christian publisher Thomas Nelson withdrew the book from publication and stopped production, announcing that they had "lost confidence in the book's details" and "learned that there were some historical details included in the book that were not adequately supported."[62][63] Glenn Beck announced that his Mercury Ink imprint would issue a new edition of the book,[64] for issuing once the 17,000 remaining copies that Barton bought of the Thomas Nelson edition had been sold.[65]"

In an article titled "Unconfirmed Quotations", Barton conceded that he has not located primary sources for eleven alleged quotes from James Madison, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and U.S. Supreme Court decisions (hence, the title of the article), but maintained that the quotes were "completely consistent" with the views of the Founders.[66] This drew criticism from Rob Boston of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, who in 1996 accused Barton of "shoddy workmanship", and said that despite these and other corrections, Barton's work "remains rife with distortions of history and court rulings".

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#73058 May 5, 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Barton_ (author)#Reception_of_Barton.2 7s_work
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73059 May 5, 2014
Continuing:

The Continental Congress asked their Chaplains to review Aitken's work. They reported back:

"Gentlemen, Agreeably to your desire, we have paid attention to Mr. Robert Aitken's impression of the holy scriptures, of the old and new testament. Having selected and examined a variety of passages throughout the work, we are of opinion, that it is executed with great accuracy as to the sense, and with as few grammatical and typographical errors as could be expected in an undertaking of such magnitude. Being ourselves witnesses of the demand for this invaluable book, we rejoice in the present prospect of a supply, hoping that it will prove as advantageous as it is honorable to the gentleman, who has exerted himself to furnish it at the evident risk of private fortune. We are, gentlemen, your very respectful and humble servants,"

This is the resolution adopted by the Continental Congress:

"Whereupon, Resolved: That the United States in Congress assembled, highly approve the pious and laudable undertaking of Mr. Aitken, as subservient to the interest of religion as well as an instance of the progress of arts in this country, and being satisfied from the above report, of his care and accuracy in the execution of the work, they recommend this edition of the Bible to the inhabitants of the United States, and hereby authorise him to publish this recommendation in the manner he shall think proper."

As you can see, they recommended the edition pursuant to the chaplains' report. The report said it was accurate. Aitken was the publisher, not the Continental Congress.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#73060 May 5, 2014
Hughbe

You do realize that by using Glenn Beck as your source, you are making yourself a laughingstock?
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#73061 May 5, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
Hughbe
You do realize that by using Glenn Beck as your source, you are making yourself a laughingstock?
Poor Frijoles, I thank you for your concern. Mr. Beck has a guest called David who has documents which he offers as PROOF of his assertions.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73062 May 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
2. "Jefferson became governor of Virginia in 1779, and as part of his gubernatorial duties, he joined the Board of Visitors at the College of William and Mary. Jefferson persuaded the Board to engage in a restructuring of the education offered at the College, which included the establishment of a new professorship in law. To fulfill his vision of training lawyers who would exercise public virtue, Jefferson turned to his old friend and mentor, George Wythe. The William and Mary LAW SCHOOL was BORN with a singular vision of training lawyers.."
What was the BIRTH year of the LAW SCHOOL based on the above?
What's the matter Hugh, didn't you like the part of the quote that you left out, ""Wythe began teaching law at the College in January 1780. His students learned the nuances of the English common law, relying in significant measure on Blackstone's Commentaries. "

THEREFORE WYTHE WAS TEACHING LAW AT WILLIAM AND MARY 10 YEARS BEFORE WILSON WAS TEACHING LAW AT COLLEGE OF PHILADELPHIA. AND WILSON WAS USING THE SAME WORK AS WYTHE. BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES.(SEE MAAT'S COMMENT ABOVE)

Wilson might have been the first law professor at College of Philadelphia in 1790, but he wasn't the founder of the first law school.

and again

LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

““You must not lose faith ”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#73063 May 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote from YOUR link and demonstrates that what follows is not true.
James Wilson wrote the FIRST law book to be used in America and he started the FIRST law school in America. The man in the video has the physical evidence to support his claim about the book.
Well Blackstone was in use, and then the popular annotated version as has been pointed out.

I find it more convenient and appropriate to look at other sources.
James Wilson co-signer of the declaration.

His biography:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Wilson
No books by his hand.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#73064 May 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>It's a forgery. Never happened. Congress only recognized Aitken's work as accurate. Aitken wrote to Congress asking to be made the official printer of the Bible and Congress didn't do it. That didn't stop Aitken from wrongfully saying that it did.
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmort...
So you are saying that what follows are forgery--

1. The assertion that the original congressional document says that the BIBLE was " a neat/new addition of the Holy Scriptures for the USE of our SCHOOLS"

2. The BIBLE has a CONGRESSIONAL endorsement

What do you suppose should happen to the perpetrators of such FRAUD? Note point 2 very well.

Is forgery an acceptable thing over there?

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#73065 May 5, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
Hughbe
You do realize that by using Glenn Beck as your source, you are making yourself a laughingstock?
Huggy doesn't need any help from Glenn Beck. We already know he's a fool.

Adding the pseudo-historian David Barton to the mix also doesn't help his cause. The man is a professional "Liar for Jesus". Even Xtian historians have distanced themselves from him.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#73066 May 5, 2014
HughBe wrote:
<quoted text>

As a reminder the man who formed the FIRST law school in AMERICA ....
HughBe wrote:
3. The fact is "JAMES WILSON:"He became the FIRST professor of law at the College of Philadelphia in 1790".
You see Hugh, when you pull drek like you do above, you ruin your credibility. I know you are just quoting this bozo. But, when you dig in your heals when it's been shown that the bozo is incorrect just disparages you.

As Frijoles says, you can't hitch your wagon either to Beck or Barton.
HughBe

Kingston, Jamaica

#73067 May 5, 2014
Eric wrote:
<quoted text>What's the matter Hugh, didn't you like the part of the quote that you left out, ""Wythe began teaching law at the College in January 1780. His students learned the nuances of the English common law, relying in significant measure on Blackstone's Commentaries. "
THEREFORE WYTHE WAS TEACHING LAW AT WILLIAM AND MARY 10 YEARS BEFORE WILSON WAS TEACHING LAW AT COLLEGE OF PHILADELPHIA. AND WILSON WAS USING THE SAME WORK AS WYTHE. BLACKSTONE'S COMMENTARIES.(SEE MAAT'S COMMENT ABOVE)
Wilson might have been the first law professor at College of Philadelphia in 1790, but he wasn't the founder of the first law school.
and again
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE
Understand, the discussion is NOT about the first law school it is about America and its origins as a RELIGIOUS or Christian country.

So James Wilson and his mindset as a CHRISTIAN is important BECAUSE he is 1 of ONLY 6 persons to sign both the Declaration and the Constitution.

Now even in your quote he was the FIRST law professor but that is not the key, what is KEY is his mindset as revealed in his words that one cannot have good civil law that excludes the divine laws.

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