Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

Full story: Newsday 69,458
Safety pins and screws are still lodged in 15-year-old Ami Ortiz's body three months after he opened a booby-trapped gift basket sent to his family. Full Story

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72341 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>

I will be waiting right here for your incisive analysis.

BTW, how can it possibly be "misleading" to treat others in the way that you wish to be treated?

Do you advocate a different approach?
Hello Uncle,

Patience is the mother of all virtues!

Later.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72342 Apr 23, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
DEBUNKING THE GOLDEN RULE
In a future post, I will debunk this so-called Golden Rule and show that action and reaction forces are not equal in the human arena which is constituted of a variety of evolutionary movements or evolutionary mechanisms and that perfect equilibrium spells death and as such this so-called Golden Rule is a misleading idea.
"Confucius taught the Golden Rule five hundred years before Christ was born. Tsze-kung once asked him if there were one word that would serve as a rule of conduct for all the life, and he replied:'Is not reciprocity such a word--What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.' When this was told to Lao-tze, what was Confucious' senior by fifty three years, he asked:'What merit is there in that?' And he then expounded the higher principle:'It is the way of the Tao to act without (thinking of) acting, to conduct affairs without (feeling) the trouble of them; to taste without determining any flavor, to consider the small as great and the few as many, and to recompense injury with kindness.''The good I meet with goodness; the bad I also meet with goodness; for virtue is good (throughout).' Someone of Confucious' school hearing this maxim and being puzzled by it, consulted the master, who still holding to the Golden Rule, replied:'What then will you return for good? Recompense injury with justice ad return good for good.'

"While Lao-tze was thus proclaiming in China the noble precept of returning good for evil, Buddha was at the same moment preaching in India:'Conquer evil by good, hatred by love, the avaricious by generosity, and falsehood by truth.' And nearly a thousand years before, Krishna reiterated again and again in the Bhagavad Gita the same lofty ideal:'He who is the same toward friend and foe is dear to me'; 'He who hateth no creature and is kind and compassionate towards all, who is free from selfish feelings and egotism, and forgiving, is dear to Me'; 'He who by comparison with himself see the same everwhere, be it pleasure or pain, he is deemed the highest Yogi.' Thus we see that neither the Golden Rule nor the teaching 'Overcome evil with good' is peculiar to Christianity as usually believed."

Vedanta Monthly Bulletin, Vol. I, pg 153-54 (1906).

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#72343 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
I will be waiting right here for your incisive analysis.
BTW, how can it possibly be "misleading" to treat others in the way that you wish to be treated?
Do you advocate a different approach?
There are no perfect rules.

For example, a male masochist who applies the golden rule to a woman non-masochist.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72344 Apr 23, 2014
CATHEDRAL SCHOOL STUDENTS & OXFORD

Since around 60% of Grade 12 students from my alma mater, Cathedral and John Connon School, Mumbai, score well over 90% marks in the Grade 12 ISC Board Exams year after year they would qualify for a slot at Oxford. Most of the students from Cathedral easily clear the challenging IIT entrance exam or get selected by MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Cornell and other elite US universities. BTW, Cathedral School holds the distinction of producing the highest number of IIT all-India rank # 1 toppers at the IIT entrance exam. However, I can't foresee more than a handful of Cathedralites opting for the UK as a place of undergrad study as they would be more interested in studying at IIT or at one of the top US universities. At the undergrad level, IIT is the best place to study and not MIT, Caltech or Oxford. After completion of the undergrad degree, most of the top ranking IIT students get offers of direct placements at grad schools in the best universities in the US, UK and elsewhere.

Well, anyway.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#72345 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!
Look at the titles of the books you posted. Do you really think Jews are the only ones who can pronounce that "Everything is God" or "A New Radical Look at what believing in god means........"
When did I make that claim? Hint - I didnt.

And when did authors ever write their titles?

Read the actual descriptions. Thats why I posted the links. Its all about that, from the Jewish perspective, NONE of this is new. Thats the point.
former res wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously.
When all else fails, just change the definitions (that is, move the goal posts).
You can call anything anything you want.
You are a theist and you believe in god. We established that a while back. Or at lest I did.
you just like to dress it up in a lot of new age language but under all those incense and naval gazing you are a traditional god-believing, good boy!!
Nothing wrong with that. Own it!
Again, you are going into straw man tangents

You cited a whole lot about supposedly what Jews believe. Instead of labeling that plainly superficial, and backing it up with my opinion, I chose to cite actual references that support my view. I can easily cite 3 more books that dont use the word radical....Thats not changing the goal posts.

Remember, it was you that asked what I meant by a God concept. Its you who seem to be fixated on what a God concept "should be", not us Jews. We have flexibility, as supported by those works. And others.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72346 Apr 23, 2014
ERIC,

Neither Confucius, Krishna, Buddha, Gandhi, Lao Tzu or Jesus were perfect (in fact, they were far from perfect) and so many of their teachings are questionable. In a future post, I will debunk the Golden Rule. Wait till then. Bye.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#72347 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!
Look at the titles of the books you posted. Do you really think Jews are the only ones who can pronounce that "Everything is God" or "A New Radical Look at what believing in god means........" Seriously.
When all else fails, just change the definitions (that is, move the goal posts).
You can call anything anything you want.
You are a theist and you believe in god. We established that a while back. Or at lest I did.
you just like to dress it up in a lot of new age language but under all those incense and naval gazing you are a traditional god-believing, good boy!!
Nothing wrong with that. Own it!
Two more books - without "radical"

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Life-God-Dis...
The Secret Life of God: Discovering the Divine within You

http://www.amazon.com/Way-Into-Encountering-G...
The Way Into Encountering God in Judaism

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72348 Apr 23, 2014
BOTTOM LINE

Neither Confucius nor Krishna nor Buddha nor Gandhi nor Lao Tzu nor Jesus were perfect (in fact, they were far from perfect) and so many of their teachings are questionable.

In a future post, I will easily debunk the Golden Rule.

Bye.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72349 Apr 23, 2014
GIVING MIT A MISS AT THE UNDERGRAD LEVEL

So, dear deans of the OXFORD UNIVERSITY please note that most of the top ranking Indian students will seek admission either to the IITs or in some cases to MIT to undergrad courses in STEM subjects.

At the undergrad level, the best students back here, will, in most cases, rather give MIT a miss than the IITs.

At the undergrad level, IIT is way better than MIT, whereas Oxford comes nowhere close.

Goodbye, Oxford.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#72350 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL!!
Look at the titles of the books you posted. Do you really think Jews are the only ones who can pronounce that "Everything is God" or "A New Radical Look at what believing in god means........" Seriously.
When all else fails, just change the definitions (that is, move the goal posts).
You can call anything anything you want.
You are a theist and you believe in god. We established that a while back. Or at lest I did.
you just like to dress it up in a lot of new age language but under all those incense and naval gazing you are a traditional god-believing, good boy!!
Nothing wrong with that. Own it!
I think where you miss on all of this is that it was NEVER my intent to argue for the existence or non existence of God. We werent discussing that. The question came up, what do Jews believe. You took the liberty of posting some basic stuff. I retorted that the breadth of Jewish beliefs on the topic was much deeper than that, and included additional god concepts as thus promoted by panentheism, pantheism, and nondualism. THEN I posted 3 (and then 2 more) books that get into greater depth on the subject - if for no other reason - to give you a taste how these alternative concepts are more mainstream than you would think.

The more scholarly of these books argue that these concepts WERE included within the mainstream of Judaism, along with conventional theistic approaches, until the mid 1800s. Sometime during the period, Jews were under pressure to assimulate in the Western countries, and these alternative approaches became associated with mysticism and became too embarrassing (this was the same period that German Jews founded the reform movement and adopted Christian worship practices). In the last 30 years there has been a renaissance of Jewish learning, and these alternative traditions have made a come back.

The whole verbiage of "radical" was to snarkily demonstrate to the reader that there is nothing that radical - that these perspectives are actually as Jewish as the theistic approach.

I dont expect you to buy into these alternative approaches any more than one would expect you to buy into theism. I just posted them to show you they are out there, and more accepted than you would think.
Frijoles wrote:
<quoted text>
We can split hairs, but there are many different God concepts in the Jewish religion, from the God in the sky of the literal reading of the bible to various panentheistic, pantheist, and non dualistic concepts popular in Hasidism and in the Kabbala.
The citations you are quoting dont get into the issue very deeply

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72351 Apr 23, 2014
MIT WELCOMES TOP RANKING IIT UNDERGRADS

The best students in India, even after being selected by MIT, would rather study at IIT than at MIT at the undergrad level since they know that MIT will welcome them with open arms after they complete the undergrad degree from the IIT which ranks above MIT at the undergrad level in terms of difficulty of course work.

Since: Aug 11

Location hidden

#72352 Apr 23, 2014
STEFANO COLONNA wrote:
<quoted text>
There are no perfect rules.
For example, a male masochist who applies the golden rule to a woman non-masochist.
True. The golden rule has some flaws. I think it is better replaced by a set of two rules:

1. Do no harm
2. Do unto others as they would do unto themselves

In essence, treat people the way they want to be treated, with the caveat that you are not to do any harm to them or others.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72353 Apr 23, 2014
Nonsense. Fool. LOL.
Eric

Arlington Heights, IL

#72354 Apr 23, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
ERIC,
Neither Confucius, Krishna, Buddha, Gandhi, Lao Tzu or Jesus were perfect (in fact, they were far from perfect) and so many of their teachings are questionable. In a future post, I will debunk the Golden Rule. Wait till then. Bye.
So, this is what we have to anticipate. All of the great philosophies and all of the world religions have a rule of reciprocity--including those centered in and around India. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Rule Joel is going to debunk all of them. Joel knows more than all of them.

Sri Aurobindo

Once we have determined that this rule of perfect individuality and perfect reciprocity is the ideal law for the individual, the community and the race and that a perfect union and even oneness in a free diversity is its goal, we have to try to see more clearly what we mean when we say that self-realisation is the sense, secret or overt, of individual and of social development.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72355 Apr 23, 2014
SMOOTH SAILING IN US GRAD SCHOOLS

Those students who do reasonably well at IIT, not to speak of the toppers, at the undergrad level, find it smooth sailing at the top grad schools in the US since the IIT course work prepares the undergrads so well to face up to the most exacting academic standards.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72356 Apr 23, 2014
IRANIANS AT NASA

I hear that quite a few of the top guys at NASA are Iranians.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72357 Apr 23, 2014
TEHRAN'S SHARIEF UNIVERSITY

Tehran's Sharief University is said to be the world's best undergrad school for Electrical Engineering. Their students have impressed the profs at elite US grad schools immensely with their extremely high academic standards.

I have met quite a few brilliant Iranian students at IIT (Mumbai) and always found them well prepared, focussed and fast but nothing to beat the South Korean students in Math - they're amazing. I still vividly recall their penetrating skills in Math during those years.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72358 Apr 23, 2014
SOUTH KOREA - RISING TO THE TOP

From being a poor, war ravaged and enslaved nation till a few decades ago, the rise of South Korea has been phenomenal that today it ranks among the most technologically advanced nations of the world and is ranked among the top performing economies of the world.

At the IMO, South Korean students are grabbing the top slots and two years ago a team of 6 high schoolers bagged the world number slot at the IMO.

Kudos.

I foresee a very bright future for South Korea.

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72359 Apr 23, 2014
IMO = International Math Olympiad

Since: Jan 14

Location hidden

#72360 Apr 23, 2014
TYPO

At the IMO, South Korean students are grabbing the top slots and two years ago a team of 6 high schoolers bagged the world number ONE slot at the IMO.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Pinos Altos Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
Grant Co.---rotten corner of NM (Sep '11) 11 hr Insect Trust 32
Dr. Twana Sparks (Dec '09) Sep 22 SALLY 44 46
WNMU students graduate from Police Academy (Jun '10) Sep 20 Really 8
To ban or not to ban - the future of plastic ba... Sep 20 Really 12
Black Range Artist plan plein air show Sep 18 I love the southwest 1
Their view: No clear gain in dispute over Falkl... (Mar '10) Sep 7 Tony 608
Mimbres Valley woman still missing Sep 5 Raquel Placencio 7

Pinos Altos Jobs

Pinos Altos People Search

Addresses and phone numbers for FREE

Pinos Altos News, Events & Info

Click for news, events and info in Pinos Altos

Personal Finance

Mortgages [ See current mortgage rates ]