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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72329 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
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"As one of the most culturally significant Jewish holidays, Yom Kippur is observed by many secular Jews who may not observe other holidays. Many secular Jews attend synagogue on Yom Kippur—for many secular Jews the High Holy Days are the only recurring times of the year in which they attend synagogue[4]—causing synagogue attendance to soar."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur
My sis and mom only go to mass on Christmas eve.
Yet they both consider themselves to be Catholic.
Maybe I'm just an all or nothing type guy. aka obsessive-compulsive
:)
ps I need a few sunny dry days in a row to scrap and paint my bilco doors!!! maybe tomorrow
Part of your "all or nothing" has to do with the fact you want to believe before you leap.

But as you know, there are many gradations in between.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72330 Apr 23, 2014
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"To god" - see above. To who/what? your conscience? the better you? the universe?
I believe in some of those.
You should chat with Eric - he is Reform, he would have a better handle on what his movement stands for regarding whether the Torah is divine or not.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72331 Apr 23, 2014
THE SO-CALLED NONDUAL JUDAISM - A HOAX

"In this nondual view, everyone and everything manifests God"

JOEL: Misleading idea.

It is just the other way around.

The Source (G-d) manifests out of its essence everything that exists which means that every manifested aspect of the Source is in the essence a holon with the perfection of the Source inhering in its core.

How each holon develops would depend on its evolution in space-time over numerous cosmic cycles that in turn is determined by its karma.

If we take the stand of the Kaballah which is that "everyone and everything manifests God" it would imply that this so-called God permeates the universe and that by some close living in God we come to connect with this God and as such manifest God.

This is dualism in which there somehow exists a causal link between God and being and that through following him we come to connect with him and as such manifest him.

To manifest God does not mean to become God.

To manifest God means to connect with this God and to become a tiny channel of somehow receiving his power.

Nondualism is very different - it is simply a case of the One manifesting as the Many with the Many being a certain number of equally constituted holons (with the essence of the One at the core of each holon) that through many cosmic cycles get more and more in direct touch with their core which is the essence of the Source itself and at last after one re-merges with the core consciousness the subject-object divide dissolves and the holon reclaims its original nature which is that of the Source with there being no fundamental difference between subject and object in this highest nondual poise - "I am God" says the mystic after this fundamental experiences in the deepest of trance states on the highest plane of existence that he connects with through his awakened psychic.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72333 Apr 23, 2014
In a future post, I'll explain why BUDDHISM is NOT a NON-DUAL faith despite the puerile writings of ignorant people claiming it to be a monistic faith.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72334 Apr 23, 2014
BUDDHA HAD A PARTIAL UNDERSTANDING OF REALITY

BUDDHA was a partially perfected being whose idea of perfection was shallow and much of it was directed at a timid acceptance of the morbid life conditions without any attempt to perfect the inferior movements and to whom perfection meant a simple stepping back from everything of a disturbing nature. Another mistake Buddha made was to consider everything to be in a never-ending state of flux which is not the case except in the frontal aspects of existence. Change and evanescence are the phenomena of the lower parts. All these inferior teachings are only to be expected from an individual (Buddha) whose highest knowledge of the reality began and ended in the cosmic Maya without any idea of the numerous planes of the cosmic hierarchy leading to the source and the way to perfecting every lower plane by bringing down the power of the highest planes into the lower vehicles.
former res

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#72335 Apr 23, 2014
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We can split hairs, but there are many different God concepts in the Jewish religion, from the God in the sky of the literal reading of the bible to various panentheistic, pantheist, and non dualistic concepts popular in Hasidism and in the Kabbala.
The citations you are quoting dont get into the issue very deeply
Try this source
Everything Is God: The Radical Path of Nondual Judaism
http://www.amazon.com/Everything-Is-God-Radic...
or this
Radical Judaism: Rethinking God and Tradition
http://www.amazon.com/Radical-Judaism-Rethink...
LOL!!

Look at the titles of the books you posted. Do you really think Jews are the only ones who can pronounce that "Everything is God" or "A New Radical Look at what believing in god means........" Seriously.

When all else fails, just change the definitions (that is, move the goal posts).

You can call anything anything you want.

You are a theist and you believe in god. We established that a while back. Or at lest I did.

you just like to dress it up in a lot of new age language but under all those incense and naval gazing you are a traditional god-believing, good boy!!

Nothing wrong with that. Own it!
former res

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#72336 Apr 23, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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Part of your "all or nothing" has to do with the fact you want to believe before you leap.
But as you know, there are many gradations in between.
I already 'practice' in the way I mentioned, Golden Rule.

And I enjoy going to church.

The spirit never moved me anymore than that.

But I do try and keep an open mind, believe it or not.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72337 Apr 23, 2014
DEBUNKING THE GOLDEN RULE

In a future post, I will debunk this so-called Golden Rule and show that action and reaction forces are not equal in the human arena which is constituted of a variety of evolutionary movements or evolutionary mechanisms and that perfect equilibrium spells death and as such this so-called Golden Rule is a misleading idea.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72338 Apr 23, 2014
OCCAM'S RAZOR is also a tool that's rooted in naivety and limitation. More on why Occam's Razor gives wrong results, later.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72339 Apr 23, 2014
ADMISSION REQUIREMENTS TO OXFORD UNIVERSITY ARE RIDICULOUS

Interestingly, one the world's top 10 institutions of higher learning, Britain's Oxford University, has thrown open its gate to high achieving Grade 12 students from India of the ISC and CBSE boards with the condition for direct entry into its undergrad courses being that a student must score 90% marks or more in at least 5 subjects and where admission to undergrad science and technology courses are concerned, the students may need to pass the challenging IIT Joint Entrance Exam (IIT JEE) and place in top ranks.

I find the admission criteria very surprising since the Math, Physics, Chemistry, Biology and English syllabi of the Grade 12 Indian academic boards, especially the ISC Board, is of a much higher standard than the syllabus of Britain's A Level or of the Geneva-based IB Board.

As for the demand that an Indian student seeking admission to Oxford may be needed to pass the IIT entrance exam, well, I must say that a student who passes the challenging IIT entrance exam would have the knowledge and problem solving skills of Oxford University's 3rd year undergrad students many of who will fail to clear the IIT JEE.
former res

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#72340 Apr 23, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
DEBUNKING THE GOLDEN RULE
In a future post, I will debunk this so-called Golden Rule and show that action and reaction forces are not equal in the human arena which is constituted of a variety of evolutionary movements or evolutionary mechanisms and that perfect equilibrium spells death and as such this so-called Golden Rule is a misleading idea.
I will be waiting right here for your incisive analysis.

BTW, how can it possibly be "misleading" to treat others in the way that you wish to be treated?

Do you advocate a different approach?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72341 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
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I will be waiting right here for your incisive analysis.

BTW, how can it possibly be "misleading" to treat others in the way that you wish to be treated?

Do you advocate a different approach?
Hello Uncle,

Patience is the mother of all virtues!

Later.
Eric

Schaumburg, IL

#72342 Apr 23, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
DEBUNKING THE GOLDEN RULE
In a future post, I will debunk this so-called Golden Rule and show that action and reaction forces are not equal in the human arena which is constituted of a variety of evolutionary movements or evolutionary mechanisms and that perfect equilibrium spells death and as such this so-called Golden Rule is a misleading idea.
"Confucius taught the Golden Rule five hundred years before Christ was born. Tsze-kung once asked him if there were one word that would serve as a rule of conduct for all the life, and he replied:'Is not reciprocity such a word--What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.' When this was told to Lao-tze, what was Confucious' senior by fifty three years, he asked:'What merit is there in that?' And he then expounded the higher principle:'It is the way of the Tao to act without (thinking of) acting, to conduct affairs without (feeling) the trouble of them; to taste without determining any flavor, to consider the small as great and the few as many, and to recompense injury with kindness.''The good I meet with goodness; the bad I also meet with goodness; for virtue is good (throughout).' Someone of Confucious' school hearing this maxim and being puzzled by it, consulted the master, who still holding to the Golden Rule, replied:'What then will you return for good? Recompense injury with justice ad return good for good.'

"While Lao-tze was thus proclaiming in China the noble precept of returning good for evil, Buddha was at the same moment preaching in India:'Conquer evil by good, hatred by love, the avaricious by generosity, and falsehood by truth.' And nearly a thousand years before, Krishna reiterated again and again in the Bhagavad Gita the same lofty ideal:'He who is the same toward friend and foe is dear to me'; 'He who hateth no creature and is kind and compassionate towards all, who is free from selfish feelings and egotism, and forgiving, is dear to Me'; 'He who by comparison with himself see the same everwhere, be it pleasure or pain, he is deemed the highest Yogi.' Thus we see that neither the Golden Rule nor the teaching 'Overcome evil with good' is peculiar to Christianity as usually believed."

Vedanta Monthly Bulletin, Vol. I, pg 153-54 (1906).

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I will be waiting right here for your incisive analysis.
BTW, how can it possibly be "misleading" to treat others in the way that you wish to be treated?
Do you advocate a different approach?
There are no perfect rules.

For example, a male masochist who applies the golden rule to a woman non-masochist.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72344 Apr 23, 2014
CATHEDRAL SCHOOL STUDENTS & OXFORD

Since around 60% of Grade 12 students from my alma mater, Cathedral and John Connon School, Mumbai, score well over 90% marks in the Grade 12 ISC Board Exams year after year they would qualify for a slot at Oxford. Most of the students from Cathedral easily clear the challenging IIT entrance exam or get selected by MIT, Caltech, Stanford, Cornell and other elite US universities. BTW, Cathedral School holds the distinction of producing the highest number of IIT all-India rank # 1 toppers at the IIT entrance exam. However, I can't foresee more than a handful of Cathedralites opting for the UK as a place of undergrad study as they would be more interested in studying at IIT or at one of the top US universities. At the undergrad level, IIT is the best place to study and not MIT, Caltech or Oxford. After completion of the undergrad degree, most of the top ranking IIT students get offers of direct placements at grad schools in the best universities in the US, UK and elsewhere.

Well, anyway.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72345 Apr 23, 2014
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LOL!!
Look at the titles of the books you posted. Do you really think Jews are the only ones who can pronounce that "Everything is God" or "A New Radical Look at what believing in god means........"
When did I make that claim? Hint - I didnt.

And when did authors ever write their titles?

Read the actual descriptions. Thats why I posted the links. Its all about that, from the Jewish perspective, NONE of this is new. Thats the point.
former res wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously.
When all else fails, just change the definitions (that is, move the goal posts).
You can call anything anything you want.
You are a theist and you believe in god. We established that a while back. Or at lest I did.
you just like to dress it up in a lot of new age language but under all those incense and naval gazing you are a traditional god-believing, good boy!!
Nothing wrong with that. Own it!
Again, you are going into straw man tangents

You cited a whole lot about supposedly what Jews believe. Instead of labeling that plainly superficial, and backing it up with my opinion, I chose to cite actual references that support my view. I can easily cite 3 more books that dont use the word radical....Thats not changing the goal posts.

Remember, it was you that asked what I meant by a God concept. Its you who seem to be fixated on what a God concept "should be", not us Jews. We have flexibility, as supported by those works. And others.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72346 Apr 23, 2014
ERIC,

Neither Confucius, Krishna, Buddha, Gandhi, Lao Tzu or Jesus were perfect (in fact, they were far from perfect) and so many of their teachings are questionable. In a future post, I will debunk the Golden Rule. Wait till then. Bye.

“Legumes of the World Unite ”

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#72347 Apr 23, 2014
former res wrote:
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LOL!!
Look at the titles of the books you posted. Do you really think Jews are the only ones who can pronounce that "Everything is God" or "A New Radical Look at what believing in god means........" Seriously.
When all else fails, just change the definitions (that is, move the goal posts).
You can call anything anything you want.
You are a theist and you believe in god. We established that a while back. Or at lest I did.
you just like to dress it up in a lot of new age language but under all those incense and naval gazing you are a traditional god-believing, good boy!!
Nothing wrong with that. Own it!
Two more books - without "radical"

http://www.amazon.com/The-Secret-Life-God-Dis...
The Secret Life of God: Discovering the Divine within You

http://www.amazon.com/Way-Into-Encountering-G...
The Way Into Encountering God in Judaism

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72348 Apr 23, 2014
BOTTOM LINE

Neither Confucius nor Krishna nor Buddha nor Gandhi nor Lao Tzu nor Jesus were perfect (in fact, they were far from perfect) and so many of their teachings are questionable.

In a future post, I will easily debunk the Golden Rule.

Bye.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#72349 Apr 23, 2014
GIVING MIT A MISS AT THE UNDERGRAD LEVEL

So, dear deans of the OXFORD UNIVERSITY please note that most of the top ranking Indian students will seek admission either to the IITs or in some cases to MIT to undergrad courses in STEM subjects.

At the undergrad level, the best students back here, will, in most cases, rather give MIT a miss than the IITs.

At the undergrad level, IIT is way better than MIT, whereas Oxford comes nowhere close.

Goodbye, Oxford.

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