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Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

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JOEL COOL DUDE

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#71956 Apr 20, 2014
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Doesnt seem. to me at least, a viable path for the ordinary to aspire to.
The ordinary people have to first make a start with emphasis on good karma, right belief, right eugenics, right practice and right environment and then if they sustain the momentum they get better and better in capacity as their consciousness begins evolving to higher degrees and in turn they keep getting born in better and in still better milieu in each round of existence with better carried over instincts from past rounds of existences and better genes and better environments affording them a better field of action of moving several rungs higher up the ladder and so on until in one particular round of existence their consciousness gets so refined that they can attempt the supramental transformation and pave the way for the still higher aim of attaining to the bliss plane and so on until they become capable in mind, emotion, body and subconscious of achieving the supreme state.

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#71957 Apr 20, 2014
STAGES OF THE PATH TOWARDS PERFECTION

1) To reach the supreme state of perfection, the first stage that one has to aim at is the subtle physical. Then after this is down the the aim shifts to the lower vita. After this the yoga moves towards the higher vital. Then the mind proper. Then the merger is with the higher mind. Then comes merger in consciousness-force with the illumined mind. Thereafter, union with the intuitive mind. Next, is the union with the overmental planes. If one merges with the planes of the overmental, then, one can make the move to the supramental planes and once this is done the person can aim even higher and rise into the state of the bliss consciousness and so on until the ultimate state of perfection is attained to.

2) At each stage of this Herculean feat, stretched out over numerous lifetimes, one has to rise during waking trance into the higher plane aimed at and unite with it and then the next move is to bring down the unique range of consciousness-force of the plane attained to into the lower planes right down to the gross physical, subconscient and inconscient.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#71959 Apr 20, 2014
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There has all ways been persecution in Juda / Israel of one kind or another as sects and religions fight down through the ages to have control of Israel and it's most holy sites .
Peace and harmony has never prevailed in the ME.

If the sites are holy then shouldn't peace and harmony and illumination prevail in the region instead of continuing violence, stark ignorance, barbarism, naked racism, illegal occupation, wars, terrorism, false flags, treachery and the like?

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#71960 Apr 20, 2014
typo

...HAVE never prevailed

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#71961 Apr 20, 2014
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This ongoing saga will continue and until Jesus Christ returns so says the Holy Bible.
If Jesus was the savior who had come to save humankind why didn't he save humankind by making the world a better place or at the least he should have improved the unregenerate conditions in the region of his birth which he could not do.

Why have things gone from bad to worse in the region of Jesus' birth that today the place resembles a killing field, a plunderer's paradise and a lunatic asylum put together?

When will your Jesus come again?

BTW, are you aware of the fact that Jesus' so-called resurrection from the dead simply involved the cessation of a deep trance with/without OBE?

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#71962 Apr 20, 2014
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LOL.
Tell me, in what way is the equality of human beings a valid law of nature.
Its a value to be concerned for your neighbors, not a law.

Its amazing to me that you dont share this concern.

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#71963 Apr 20, 2014
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Just a handful of individuals has attained to the supreme state which is not surprising since the vast majority of human beings are no better than animals who live in the unregenerate consciousness and have ordinary aims or in many cases barbaric ideals.
To attain to the supreme state is not possible in one lifetime.
The handful of human beings who've till now attained to the supreme state has accomplished the superlative feat after numerous births with them perfecting a part of themselves in each round until in a particular life they became capable of going the whole way.
Still doesnt seem a viable path for the ordinary to aspire to. That limits its utility as a path to be promoted.

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#71964 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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The ordinary people have to first make a start with emphasis on good karma, right belief, right eugenics, right practice and right environment and then if they sustain the momentum they get better and better in capacity as their consciousness begins evolving to higher degrees and in turn they keep getting born in better and in still better milieu in each round of existence with better carried over instincts from past rounds of existences and better genes and better environments affording them a better field of action of moving several rungs higher up the ladder and so on until in one particular round of existence their consciousness gets so refined that they can attempt the supramental transformation and pave the way for the still higher aim of attaining to the bliss plane and so on until they become capable in mind, emotion, body and subconscious of achieving the supreme state.
Right eugenics? Do you agree with Nazi ideology?

This is still unproven theory, and you still havent discussed humanitarian benefits. Its seems other wordly. I am still not convinced that my spirituality of crash and burn is any worse, and in fact I still believe my path is more humane.

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#71965 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Peace and harmony has never prevailed in the ME.
If the sites are holy then shouldn't peace and harmony and illumination prevail in the region instead of continuing violence, stark ignorance, barbarism, naked racism, illegal occupation, wars, terrorism, false flags, treachery and the like?
What you are describing can just as easily be applied to India, or perhaps pretty much anywhere in the world.

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#71966 Apr 20, 2014
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Its a value to be concerned for your neighbors, not a law.

Its amazing to me that you dont share this concern.
I can't change the causal law at work in my neighbor's life.

All I can do is to offer him some advice if he seeks it or money if he needs it but that would not change anything in his life in a fundamental sense.

Each person is the architect of his own destiny.

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#71967 Apr 20, 2014
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Right eugenics? Do you agree with Nazi ideology?
By right eugenics I mean avoiding abnormalities like incest/inbreeding and marrying a person of decent personality traits and seeing to it that a prospective spouse's family medical record does not carry mental or physical diseases of a serious nature or that there's no incidence of substance abuse or suicide or homicide in the family tree as far as can be seen since heredity is transmitted to offspring and besides husband and wife should be compatible where temperaments are concerned .

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#71968 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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I can't change the causal law at work in my neighbor's life.
All I can do is to offer him some advice if he seeks it or money if he needs it but that would not change anything in his life in a fundamental sense.
Each person is the architect of his own destiny.
But surely you can work within the system to provide him the same opportunity that you share to improve his economic outlook in the long term, as well as offer emergency assistance to alleviate his lack of food in the short term (I know you contribute to charities). This is all basic human values.

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#71969 Apr 20, 2014
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This is still unproven theory
Science is way too infantile and knows nothing except for superficial phenomena related to particle-wave properties of gross matter and this too it knows in an inferential way.

Most of its claims are lies since there's a powerful coalition of scientists and government officials who prevent the true picture of science with all its serious limitations from coming to light.

Science knows nothing about origins of reality or personality or sentience or behavior or motive or intent or subjectivity or death and other fundamental issues .

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#71970 Apr 20, 2014
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What you are describing can just as easily be applied to India, or perhaps pretty much anywhere in the world.
Yes, in present times it does apply to India but not so in the past when everything was far more peaceful.

On the other hand, the barbarous cults of the ME brought ruin, genocide, bloodshed, demon worship, bigotry, ignorance and evil to the region from the very beginning and the perverse pattern continues till the present.

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#71971 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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By right eugenics I mean avoiding abnormalities like incest/inbreeding and marrying a person of decent personality traits and seeing to it that a prospective spouse's family medical record does not carry mental or physical diseases of a serious nature or that there's no incidence of substance abuse or suicide or homicide in the family tree as far as can be seen since heredity is transmitted to offspring and besides husband and wife should be compatible where temperaments are concerned .
You do realize that the Nazis shared the same idea?

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#71972 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Science is way too infantile and knows nothing except for superficial phenomena related to particle-wave properties of gross matter and this too it knows in an inferential way.
Most of its claims are lies since there's a powerful coalition of scientists and government officials who prevent the true picture of science with all its serious limitations from coming to light.
Science knows nothing about origins of reality or personality or sentience or behavior or motive or intent or subjectivity or death and other fundamental issues .
You missed my point. I asked you to argue why your path was better. Instead of "proving" (i.e. giving me reasons, instead you choose to continue to elaborate on the details of the path. I am still looking for a reason WHY your other worldly path is a better path.

I value concern for others, you seem to indicate you value concern for self. I value a this wordly path, you seem to indicate you value an other wordly, or post wordly path.

What we are left at the end of the day are values and preferences. None of it is based on scientific truth.

If you have anything to add, I am all ears, but so far I dont find the value system promoted by your path particularly appealing to my goals or compatible to my own value system, which seems to be comparatively less sociopathic.

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#71973 Apr 20, 2014
JOEL COOL DUDE wrote:
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Yes, in present times it does apply to India but not so in the past when everything was far more peaceful.
On the other hand, the barbarous cults of the ME brought ruin, genocide, bloodshed, demon worship, bigotry, ignorance and evil to the region from the very beginning and the perverse pattern continues till the present.
You are romanticizing the past. Likely it was as awful as the present. Human nature really hasnt changed much over the years.

Your statements about the ME appear to be projections of the mental categories that your psyche utilizes. One could easily see the world through rose covered glasses as well.

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#71974 Apr 20, 2014
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But surely you can work within the system to provide him the same opportunity that you share to improve his economic outlook in the long term, as well as offer emergency assistance to alleviate his lack of food in the short term (I know you contribute to charities). This is all basic human values.
LOL.

Cheap charity of this kind can alleviate human material want for the moment but cannot eradicate poverty in the person's life if he lacks the capacities of diligence and sincerity to better his living conditions.

Besides, despite billions being spent on charity, poverty still continues unabated and in fact the number of poor is on the rise everywhere.

Most importantly, materialistic philanthropy cannot better a person's morals nor can it change a person's innate capacity nor can it cause a shift in his consciousness.

The advice I offer the middle classes and the poor is to marry late or to stay single if lack of money is a constant problem despite one's best efforts or to marry late and to produce just 1 kid.

I make it clear that being a burden on others is not a good thing and that one should take responsibility for all of one's actions and bear the consequences while seeking minimal material inputs from state or from private donors. No passing the buck.

In general, the advice I give rich and poor is to marry and to procreate after taking into consideration social, economical, health, family history, educational, personality, temperament and other compatibility factors so that suffering does not increase but is reduced due to marital alliance.

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#71975 Apr 20, 2014
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You do realize that the Nazis shared the same idea?
The NAZI idea was to kill the unfit, whereas the idea of the HEBREW PATRIARCHS was to further damage the human gene pool by promoting incest.

Both ideas are vulgar, based on ignorance and anti-existence.

My idea of sound eugenics is to use compatible personality traits, family medical history, family record of substance abuse/suicide/criminality and temperament among other traits to improve marital matches so that the family gene pools get further refined and not more damaged as generations go by.

JOEL COOL DUDE

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#71976 Apr 20, 2014
Frijoles wrote:
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You are romanticizing the past. Likely it was as awful as the present. Human nature really hasnt changed much over the years.

Your statements about the ME appear to be projections of the mental categories that your psyche utilizes. One could easily see the world through rose covered glasses as well.
As usual you're making silly excuses to cover up the barbarism of the ME tribes especially the Egyptians, Arabs and Hebrews when evidence to the contrary exists, as, for instance, the vile events narrated in scripture.

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