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MATHEMATICS has inherent limitations and until one clearly knows what data or information is to be collected and how the relevant data or information is to be interpreted, it stands to reason that a mere application of a mathematical model (or the mere belief that a mathematical model is correct despite the absence of corroborative evidence of the physical event speculated about) can not lead to a fruitful prediction of natural events that lie beyond the event horizon of the mind.

If this analytical tool is stretched beyond its natural limits then we end up with paradoxes, contradictions, sophisms and fantasies with sheer egoism preventing its proponents from admitting that we can never hope to know the correct answers to the most fundamental nature of the universe or of life.

An example of such blind insistence that's backed by limited success in ordinary situations thereby giving rise to overconfidence is that complexity, order and life developed from simplicity (low degree of information) because it is seen that as atoms combine in fixed proportions to form molecules thus the cosmos too in all its variety leading back to its origin can be explained using reductionist mathematical models. What is overlooked in the process is that even atoms (or even particles subtler than atoms at the subatomic scale) display such fine tuning in their structure and function that no one knows how this precision came about and which no mathematical model based on probability factors, blind forces and chance can ever hope to explain.
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Hi Former,
How're you?
When're you taking that trip to exotic Istanbul?
How's your job going?
Hey there Joel. How's it hangin'?

I need to shine a lot more shoes before I can plan
any fancy vacations. People don't tip as well as they used to.

You can relate I'm sure :))

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Hey there Joel. How's it hangin'?

I need to shine a lot more shoes before I can plan any fancy vacations.

People don't tip as well as they used to.

You can relate I'm sure :))
Hi there.

Oh, I'm sure that you'll manage to collect the sum of money soon and be off to Istanbul.

I missed chatting with you.

Take care.

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Hey there Joel. How's it hangin'?
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Dont ask unless you really want to know

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I am driving down to a nearby service center to check on my BMW which is being serviced there. Later.

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ECO-AWARENESS, ONENESS & YOGA:
"Deep Ecology is rooted in a perception of reality that goes beyond the scientific framework to an intuitive awareness of the oneness of all life, the interdependence of its multiple manifestations and its cycles of change and transformation. When the concept of the human spirit is understood in this sense, its mode of consciousness in which the individual feels connected to the cosmos as a whole, it becomes clear that ecological awareness is truly spiritual. Indeed the idea of the individual being linked to the cosmos is expressed in the Latin root of the word religion, religare (to bind strongly), as well as the Sanskrit yoga, which means union."
- Fritjof Capra, Turning Point, 1982
Actually, there really is no difference between ecology and deep ecology. Same concept.

Except for marketing.

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I am driving down to a nearby service center to check on my BMW which is being serviced there. Later.
What kind of BMW is?
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Oh, I'm sure that you'll manage to collect the sum of money soon and be off to Istanbul.
I missed chatting with you.
Take care.
Actually would like to go to Paris first.

Then Istanbul and Greek islands after that.

Hope you and your car are well.

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Its the same, or similar, process of appreciation - involves expressions of subjectivity
"Expressions of subjectivity" is one thing. Relating those expressions to some supernatural experience is something else entirely.

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I am stating that a discussion about art from the scientific perspective is OBVIOUSLY different than a discussion from the perspective of art appreciation.
Actually, art appreciation can encompass an objective perspective along side the subjective perspective - analyzing brush strokes, color choices, etc... A true art aficionado will encompass both perspectives.
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Cosmos - no, not having TV hampers me a bit, though I am still searching for a good way to wacth the original series as a start. I never saw it in the first place. I went to school at the same university as Sagan, by the way, met him a few fleeting times. According to latest Smithsonian (??) biography, he was a bit of a pot head...lol
They used to have it on Netflix. Don't know if they still do. And yes, I heard that too about his pot smoking. Must have provided some of his "inspiration".

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Actually, art appreciation can encompass an objective perspective along side the subjective perspective - analyzing brush strokes, color choices, etc... A true art aficionado will encompass both perspectives..
True, but dont neglect the subjective. And I see you have not.
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They used to have it on Netflix. Don't know if they still do. And yes, I heard that too about his pot smoking. Must have provided some of his "inspiration".
Apparently it was quite a bit more than "some".

I do know that his reputation as a teacher was that he was quite friendly and down to earth. Even though it was a large university that prided itself on research, he actually preferred to teach small freshman seminars.

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"Expressions of subjectivity" is one thing. Relating those expressions to some supernatural experience is something else entirely.
I agree that Chopkra is really about shamelessly marketing one's self for profit - through the cultivation of celebrity endorsements (Oprah) and through smooth talking.

But like most things, I look beyond all of that to see what the worth and essence is all about. And I get where many of his ideas come from. He did not pioneer them. Take "I am my body and my bod is me". What he is saying is adjust your perspective from the ego to that of the body. Thats an old idea. Your error is trying to analyze that from logic (applying transitive theory) instead of understanding it as symbol (where the sides of the equation are not equal).

I view him as more of a poet than a western educator. Poetry is not understood logically, its intended to convey a sense, via emotion and expression. An allusion (i.e. a direction to something other than what is on the surface). I think what you are hung up is trying to understand him on the surface - as if he is teaching you as a westerner. Of course, he is guilty in that this type of legitimacy is what he is trying to convey.

But most people dont waste their time being logical and critical, either they appreciate him for what he is and buy his books, or they ignore him. I have one or 2 of his books, even though I am not a fan.

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Actually would like to go to Paris first.

Then Istanbul and Greek islands after that.

Hope you and your car are well.
Paris has lost its charm. Not as clean or orderly as it used to be. Filled with curious tourists and in recent times it has become home to tens of thousands of poor immigrants from Africa and Asia who have brought with them their third world cultural baggage and homegrown attitudes. It's difficult for such people to fit into French society with its quintessential elan and emphasis on high intellectualism. The banlieues or ghettos are in the suburbs and many of them stink. Aside from the usual tourist destinations like Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, Louvre and the Disneyland, make it a point in Paris to visit the art galleries, Sorbonne, the trendy Michelin star restaurants (notably by Alain Ducasse. Maxim's has slipped) and haute couture salons like the Christian Dior, Chanel etc and try traveling to the swank Cote D'Azur in the South of France and to the beautiful Champagne district.

My late mother had a master's degree in English literature and was fluent in French to the extent that as a pass time she would at times undertake translation work from French to English and vice versa for certain well-known international business houses in Mumbai. I miss her a lot.

I find the French mind limpid and artistic. Not surprisingly, in the intellectual sphere, France has bagged the highest number, if I am not mistaken, of Fields Medals (prize in Mathematics).

Avoid Greece if possible but do visit Istanbul - the bridge to Europe and Asia.

As for the car, brake fuel refill.

I am not too well. If I tell you what exactly has happened to me you will not believe me and if you learn what is the problem with my health you may be very sad for me. So, I am not saying anything.

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If by the supernatural is meant the higher states of consciousness, then, yes, the supernatural exists but there are too many dangers, including life-threatening ones, associated with these higher planes of consciousness of which science and ordinary people know nothing about. I have too much exposure to these higher planes and have benefited much but have been more damaged by these experiences most of which take place in the waking consciousness 24 x 7 at times.
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Paris has lost its charm. Not as clean or orderly as it used to be. Filled with curious tourists and in recent times it has become home to tens of thousands of poor immigrants from Africa and Asia who have brought with them their third world cultural baggage and homegrown attitudes. It's difficult for such people to fit into French society with its quintessential elan and emphasis on high intellectualism. The banlieues or ghettos are in the suburbs and many of them stink. Aside from the usual tourist destinations like Eiffel Tower, Arc de Triomphe, Louvre and the Disneyland, make it a point in Paris to visit the art galleries, Sorbonne, the trendy Michelin star restaurants (notably by Alain Ducasse. Maxim's has slipped) and haute couture salons like the Christian Dior, Chanel etc and try traveling to the swank Cote D'Azur in the South of France and to the beautiful Champagne district.
My late mother had a master's degree in English literature and was fluent in French to the extent that as a pass time she would at times undertake translation work from French to English and vice versa for certain well-known international business houses in Mumbai. I miss her a lot.
It's too bad to hear of such a place going so far downhill.

As a teenager I would only have known what I heard and read of Paris in the 1920s where many American writers and artists would hang out with their French counterparts, eat good cheese, drink good wine and allow their creativity to flourish.

My wife double majored in French (and government) so I'm counting on her to help with the language when we make it there. She's been there as she lived her junior year of college in Geneva and traveled through Europe.

Have you been to Versailles? How abut the Crazy Horse Cabaret (naked dancing girls)? Right in Paris. I only ask because I do believe you mentioned a Gentlemen's club recently, in India I think??

Do you have a favorite neighborhood in Paris? I thought the Latin Quarter and St-Germain sound interesting. I like to hang with regular folks/artists etc. You may not.

I would like to experience the essence of the place. I can visit fancy stores in NYC, or Greenwich, Connecticut - right down the road from here. Or Boston. or Rodeo Drive.
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Avoid Greece if possible but do visit Istanbul - the bridge to Europe and Asia.
Avoid the whole country of Greece? wow, why would you say that? do you not like the people there? It can't be the heat as your own country must get very hot at times

I have no burning desire to go to Athens but thought Crete and perhaps another Island or two sounded good. From what I've heard and seen in pics the Greek Island seem quite pretty.

You don't agree?
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As for the car, brake fuel refill.
Or as we would call it here, "brake fluid."

Sounds like it was an easy fix.
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I am not too well. If I tell you what exactly has happened to me you will not believe me and if you learn what is the problem with my health you may be very sad for me. So, I am not saying anything.
As you wish, but I hope you are feeling better soon.

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My wife double majored in French (and government) so I'm counting on her to help with the language when we make it there. She's been there as she lived her junior year of college in Geneva and traveled through Europe.
Cool. The French are xenophobic when it comes to language. Good to know French when in France. It smoothens the way and makes the locals happy. I can't understand this Anglo-Franco language war. English has beaten French and made it as the global lingua franca and much to the angst of the French some elite educational and research institutions in France like the Louis Pasteur have switched to English.

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I only ask because I do believe you mentioned a Gentlemen's club recently, in India I think??
Which is the gentlemen's club in Mumbai that I mentioned?

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Do you have a favorite neighborhood in Paris?
Latin Quarter is bohemian and dotted with some good higher academic institutions and St Germain is filled with Africans running cheap eateries these days. Bonaparte offering cheap fare stands out. Champs Elysees is nice.

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I can visit fancy stores in NYC, or Greenwich, Connecticut - right down the road from here. Or Boston. or Rodeo Drive.
No, no. Paris used to be the mecca of high fashion. Not anymore but it has still retained some of its old verve in this area. The ramp shows are sizzling. The Parisian haute couture scene is classier and has that stamp of originality when compared to the haute salons in the US. An individual haute couture salon is very different from a luxury store like say Saks.

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Avoid the whole country of Greece?

You don't agree?

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Simple tip - avoid a place in deep economic crisis as the stress is visible everywhere and people's attitudes in times of poor finances change for the worse.

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